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Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition

These "Ogadh Islami Gayan dhari" persons (namhin KO and bua beti) like to tie 130M Muslims of BD to the plight of Muslims of first 13 years of the Prophet... Like to see them in helpless, and powerless situation...
It is not difficult to understand their motive... They do not want to see Muslims with the Status of winners that the Prophet had in his Madina life till his death, being a powerful ruler with head up... They like to see Muslims as servants of Hindu Jaminders. A trend has started back in a Muslim majority country and some of these Gayan paapee are singing in support in the name of Secularism....

These same people do not talk about secular India... Secular India is being ruled by Hindutva Modi and Yogesh and that is not a problem to them at all... minority rights are being violated daily there and that is not any issue, not any fundamentalism. They only find problems in Bangladesh.

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On Apr 21, 2017 5:48 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You don't know that first 13 years he less Tha 30 followers, that including women. He never carried sword, atleaSt the first 12 years, if a katmullah is your source of enlightened, then it doesn't matter how well educated you are, your outlook is as narrow as your guru. the bangla adge , mullar dour mosjid porjontow' ., Sums up the short comings inflicting many.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 4/21/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
> To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
> Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com, anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com, nabdc@googlegroups.com, jukhan@gmail.com, rezaulkarim617@gmail.com, aleem53@yahoo.com, jhelali2000@yahoo.com, rashedanam1971@gmail.com, nurannabi@gmail.com, quazi98@hotmail.com, abahar.canada@gmail.com, zainul321@yahoo.com, zoglul@hotmail.co.uk, quazinuru@yahoo.com, veirsmill@yahoo.com, drmohsinali@yahoo.com, sakhter1015@gmail.com
> Date: Friday, April 21, 2017, 5:35 PM
>
> KO,Stop bloody your lies,
> people in the forum are well educated and well aware of
> Islamic history. Your following statement shows your lack of
> knowledge, even Pope will condemn your false
> propaganda.
> "When jihad was first coined? I haven't found
> yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who
> didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first
> decade, there was no record or claim of  battle or
> jihad to spread Islam that
> period."
> Razzak A. Syed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 22 Apr 2017, at 5:04 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> When jihad was first
> coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct
> Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any
> sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or
> claim of  battle or jihad to spread Islam that period.
>


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Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition



KO, if I understood you correctly, you said that Jihad was not found in the first decade of existence of Islam, and Prophet did not introduce it. It was introduced later on by Kafirs after they embraced Islam.

This statement does not make any logical sense. Isn't all Muslims in the beginning were Kafirs. If that is the case, why Jihad was not present in the first decades?  Actually, the entire Islamic histories are fallacious. As per your argument, Koran is also fallacious.

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Khoniker Othithee khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

No glory in winning the debate, when loosing on facts. I could have found it plausible , that the jihad is a conspiracy of mosad and CIA, if thses existed during early days of caliphate.

When jihad was first coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or claim of battle or jihad to spread Islam that period. That started only after kafir supposedly embracing Islam, but in reality many muslims were embracing violence, kafir mode of getting their way. If Almighty wanted jihad, then he would made arrangements in the first year of Islam. Follow prophet what he preached first decade, you cannot go wrong.
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On Fri, 4/21/17, <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
To: khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com
Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com, anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com, nabdc@googlegroups.com, jukhan@gmail.com, rezaulkarim617@gmail.com, aleem53@yahoo.com, jhelali2000@yahoo.com, rashedanam1971@gmail.com, nurannabi@gmail.com, quazi98@hotmail.com, abahar.canada@gmail.com, zainul321@yahoo.com, zoglul@hotmail.co.uk, quazinuru@yahoo.com, veirsmill@yahoo.com, drmohsinali@yahoo.com, sakhter1015@gmail.com
Date: Friday, April 21, 2017, 1:41 AM

That's the
best you can do. We know your limits. Don't worry,
everyone will realise their fate, when
'malekul-mout' appears on their door step.




Razzak A. Syed





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Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 11:58 am

Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam -
contradicting tradition



Whom you are fooling, not Muslims who are embracing
Secularism . I hate to say, your observation are same as
katmullah in neighborhood, when they are in minority. I
don't know in Australia, who are minorities, I am
assuming you are there.

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On Thu, 4/20/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam -
contradicting tradition

To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,
"Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>,
"mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com"
<mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,
"Bangladesh-progressives Googlegroups"
<bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>,


"ANISUR RAHMAN" <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>,
"nabdc@googlegroups.com"
<nabdc@googlegroups.com>,
"Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>,
"Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>,
"Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>,
"Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>,
"Rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>,
"Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>,
"Quazi Haque" <quazi98@hotmail.com>,
"Post Card" <abahar.canada@gmail.com>,
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"S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>

Date: Thursday, April 20, 2017, 9:41 PM



Mr. KO,

  You

are a confused person. Muslims don't promote
violence.

In today's world, violence in Muslim nations are

promoted or provoked by western worlds, either for their

financial gains or establish their supremacy. I believe
you

are an educated person, use your brain n think
rationally,

when a person's back leans against the wall by
abusers,

there is no choice other than unexpected behaviour by
the

victims. It's unfair to generalise  the Muslims
with

any individuals or groups or races.



Hope your heart opens up.



Razzak A. Syed





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>

On 21 Apr 2017, at 11:18 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

wrote:

>

> S

Razzak,

> Is charity the only practice of

non  Muslim that u  will agree, to comply with surahs

mandating freedom of any religion. I thought qualifying

surah is .a big, no no, when it doesn't call for

violence or. Coercion.

>

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> On Tue, 4/18/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>

wrote:

>

> Subject:

Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam -

contradicting tradition

> To:

"Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

> Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,

"Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>,

"mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com"

<mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,

"Bangladesh-progressives Googlegroups"
<bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>,


"ANISUR RAHMAN" <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>,

"nabdc@googlegroups.com"

<nabdc@googlegroups.com>,

"Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>,

"Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>,

"Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>,

"Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>,

"Rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>,

"Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>,

"Quazi Haque" <quazi98@hotmail.com>,

"Post Card" <abahar.canada@gmail.com>,

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"Outlook Team" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>,

"Quazi Nuru" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>,

"ShamimChowdhury" <veirsmill@yahoo.com>,

"Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>,

"S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>

> Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 10:13 PM

>

> "Kafir had no

provision for

> Secularism.

>

> a)

> Verse 149 of al-An'am : Everybody has

right

> to choose their own faith

> b)

> Verse 256 of Surah

al-Baqarah, La Ikraha Fiddin

> : There

can't any compulsion in religion.

>



> C)Verse 40 of Surah al-Raad,

> Verse 12 of Surah Hud, Verse 188 of Surah

al-A'raf and


> Verse 45 of Surah Qaf,

all validate freedom believes

>

>

> In Surah

> al-Ghashiyah, Verses 21 and 22 state: no

man can manage

> others belief. It is the

prerogative of Almighty only to

> judge 

and He will do it only on the day of final

> judgement.

>

> Unlike kafir,

> Islam

validates pluralist vision with many faiths coexisting

> with respect each other, there no ifs or

buts here"

>

>

Above are true, now my

> questions to so

called secularists, which  Muslims nations

> stops or compels non Muslims to follow

Islam? 10% Non

> Muslims and so called

Muslims Secularists are compelling 90%

>

Muslims to follow their ideology!! Offering loans or

funds

> to poorer to compel their faiths

like NGO's, Caritas,

> world vision

are the good examples.


>

> That's why Allah (SWT) mentioned

about

> these muslim secularists:

>

> "তারা

বধির, মূক ও

>

অন্ধ। সুতরাং তারা

ফিরে

> আসবে

না।"

>

>



>  Razzak A. Syed

>



>

> Sent from my

> iPhone

>

>

>> On 19 Apr 2017,

at 11:08 am, Khoniker

> Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

> wrote:

>>

>> Kafir had no

>

provision for Secularism.

>>

>> a)

>> Verse 149

of

> al-An'am : Everybody has right to

choose their own

> faith

>> b)

>> Verse

256

> of Surah al-Baqarah, La Ikraha

Fiddin : There can't any

> compulsion

in religion.

>>

>> C)Verse 40 of Surah al-Raad, Verse 12

of

> Surah Hud, Verse 188 of Surah

al-A'raf and Verse 45 of

> Surah Qaf,

all validate freedom believes

>>

>>

>> In Surah

al-Ghashiyah, Verses 21 and 22

> state:

no man can manage others belief. It is the

> prerogative of Almighty only to judge 

and He will do it

> only on the day of

final judgement.

>>

>> Unlike kafir, Islam validates

pluralist

> vision with many faiths

coexisting with respect each other,

>

there no ifs or buts here

>








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Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition



 I tend to agree with KO, that
Razzak Syed  exhibits  very poor knowledge of Islam or relevant information on history of the text and/or contextuality of the Qur'an. 
 Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> should stick to his in-depth knowledge of Sunny Leone and refrain from awkwardly quoting the Scripture.

Riyadul Hassan
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যুদ্ধ রাষ্ট্রের জন্য সিদ্ধ। রসুল যুদ্ধ করেছেন রাষ্ট্র লাভের পর। কোর'আনের যাবতীয় যুদ্ধের আয়াত সে সময়ে অবতীর্ণ। সব দেশের মত বাংলাদেশের সংবিধানেও সামরিক নীতি বর্ণিত আছে। যারা ইসলামের বিরুদ্ধে কাছাখুলে নেমেছেন তারা স্থান কাল পাত্রের (Circumstances) উল্লেখ ব্যতিরেকে সেই যুদ্ধের আয়াতগুলোকে সামনে এনে আমজনতার কাছে ইসলামকে হেয় করার চেষ্টা করেন।


অপরপক্ষে রাষ্ট্রশক্তিহীন, জনসমর্থনহীন জঙ্গিবাদী মুফতিরাও সেই একই আয়াতগুলো এনে আমজনতাকে দেখিয়ে বলেন, দেখো আল্লাহ বলেছেন যুদ্ধ করতে। এই নাও চাপাতি, ঐ যায় কাফের।


কে তাদের বলে দেবে যে তারা উভয়েই নিজ মতবাদকে সত্য প্রমাণ করার জন্য কোর'আনকে ব্যবহার করছেন এবং তারা উভয়েই সমান সত্যবিমুখ। তারা কেউই বলছেন না যে এই আয়াতগুলো ব্যক্তির জন্য নয়, আল্লাহর হুকুমের পক্ষে ঐক্যবদ্ধ স্বাধীন জাতির জন্য। পরাধীন অবস্থায়, জাতিহীন অবস্থায় রসুল কোনো সামরিক পদক্ষেপ নেন নি, আল্লাহও সে হুকুম দেন নি।

 




From: Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 3:35 AM
To: Khoniker Othithee
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Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
 
KO,
Stop bloody your lies, people in the forum are well educated and well aware of Islamic history. Your following statement shows your lack of knowledge, even Pope will condemn your false propaganda.

"When jihad was first coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or claim of  battle or jihad to spread Islam that period."

Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 22 Apr 2017, at 5:04 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:

When jihad was first coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or claim of  battle or jihad to spread Islam that period.


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Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition

You don't know that first 13 years he less Tha 30 followers, that including women. He never carried sword, atleaSt the first 12 years, if a katmullah is your source of enlightened, then it doesn't matter how well educated you are, your outlook is as narrow as your guru. the bangla adge , mullar dour mosjid porjontow' ., Sums up the short comings inflicting many.
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On Fri, 4/21/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:


Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com, anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com, nabdc@googlegroups.com, jukhan@gmail.com, rezaulkarim617@gmail.com, aleem53@yahoo.com, jhelali2000@yahoo.com, rashedanam1971@gmail.com, nurannabi@gmail.com, quazi98@hotmail.com, abahar.canada@gmail.com, zainul321@yahoo.com, zoglul@hotmail.co.uk, quazinuru@yahoo.com, veirsmill@yahoo.com, drmohsinali@yahoo.com, sakhter1015@gmail.com
Date: Friday, April 21, 2017, 5:35 PM

KO,Stop bloody your lies,
people in the forum are well educated and well aware of
Islamic history. Your following statement shows your lack of
knowledge, even Pope will condemn your false
propaganda.
"When jihad was first coined? I haven't found
yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who
didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first
decade, there was no record or claim of  battle or
jihad to spread Islam that
period."
Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Apr 2017, at 5:04 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:

When jihad was first
coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct
Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any
sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or
claim of  battle or jihad to spread Islam that period.



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Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition



KO,
Stop bloody your lies, people in the forum are well educated and well aware of Islamic history. Your following statement shows your lack of knowledge, even Pope will condemn your false propaganda.

"When jihad was first coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or claim of  battle or jihad to spread Islam that period."

Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 22 Apr 2017, at 5:04 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:

When jihad was first coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or claim of  battle or jihad to spread Islam that period.


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Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition



We should be generous to people, who suffer from mental retardation... not of their own fault. Has anybody heard anything intelligent from this man except his constant unintelligent meaningless sermons about religion?   


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 12:18 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
I guess Shah deEldar is referring to Razzak Syed, when he said "the man with a midget brain". Shah deEldar is obviously very generous. I would have thought that man has no brain.

BTW, what this man is doing in Australia? Why has he not gone to Syria to join ISIS or to the Afghanistan/Pakistan mountain range to be targeted by Donald Trump.

- AR


On Friday, 21 April 2017, 14:11, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:


With a small midget brain, this man's main goal is to perform janitorial work for an infidel country (s). And, consciously or sub-consciously, he feels far safer in that country than in his own mullah infested village. The man lied to Australians to get his political asylum and now he has become a man of Arabic truth? He speaks against the secularism in Muslim majority countries... but if tomorrow Australians start sidelining him for his uncivilized religious thoughts and practices, he would cry foul... but he would not leave that country because he is a grand parasite and hypocrite as many other typical Islamist. There lies the fatal flaw in his dubious character. This man probably forces his hairy wife to wear a veil 24 hours...just not to look at her face but to look at her @sses while dreaming about heavenly white huries when he get his primitive urges.

KO, you are basically wasting your time. Stop responding to this grand idiot!

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 9:54 PM, 'Khoniker Othithee' via Bangladesh Progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Whom you are fooling, not Muslims who are embracing Secularism . I hate to say, your  observation are  same as katmullah in neighborhood, when they are in minority. I don't know in  Australia, who are minorities, I am assuming you are there.
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On Thu, 4/20/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
 To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
 Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "Bangladesh-progressives Googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@ googlegroups.com>, "ANISUR RAHMAN" <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com >, "nabdc@googlegroups.com" <nabdc@googlegroups.com>, "Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>, "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>, "Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>, "Rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>, "Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>, "Quazi Haque" <quazi98@hotmail.com>, "Post Card" <abahar.canada@gmail.com>, "zainul abedin" <zainul321@yahoo.com>, "Outlook Team" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>, "Quazi Nuru" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>, "ShamimChowdhury" <veirsmill@yahoo.com>, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>, "S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>
 Date: Thursday, April 20, 2017, 9:41 PM

 Mr. KO,
    You
 are a confused person. Muslims don't promote violence.
 In today's world, violence in Muslim nations are
 promoted or provoked by western worlds, either for their
 financial gains or establish their supremacy. I believe you
 are an educated person, use your brain n think rationally,
 when a person's back leans against the wall by abusers,
 there is no choice other than unexpected behaviour by the
 victims. It's unfair to generalise  the Muslims with
 any individuals or groups or races.

 Hope your heart opens up.

 Razzak A. Syed


 Sent from my iPhone






 >
 On 21 Apr 2017, at 11:18 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 >
 > S
 Razzak,
 > Is charity the only practice of
 non  Muslim that u  will agree, to comply with surahs
 mandating freedom of any religion. I thought qualifying
 surah is .a big, no no, when it doesn't call for
 violence or. Coercion.
 >
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 > On Tue, 4/18/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
 wrote:
 >
 > Subject:
 Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam -
 contradicting tradition
 > To:
 "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
 > Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,
 "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>,
 "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com"
 <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,
 "Bangladesh-progressives Googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@ googlegroups.com>,

 "ANISUR RAHMAN" <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com >,
 "nabdc@googlegroups.com"
 <nabdc@googlegroups.com>,
 "Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>,
 "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>,
 "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>,
 "Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>,
 "Rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>,
 "Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>,
 "Quazi Haque" <quazi98@hotmail.com>,
 "Post Card" <abahar.canada@gmail.com>,
 "zainul abedin" <zainul321@yahoo.com>,
 "Outlook Team" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>,
 "Quazi Nuru" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>,
 "ShamimChowdhury" <veirsmill@yahoo.com>,
 "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>,
 "S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>
 > Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 10:13 PM
 >
 > "Kafir had no
 provision for
 > Secularism.
 >
 > a)
 > Verse 149 of al-An'am : Everybody has
 right
 > to choose their own faith
 > b)
 > Verse 256 of Surah
 al-Baqarah, La Ikraha Fiddin
 > : There
 can't any compulsion in religion.
 >

 > C)Verse 40 of Surah al-Raad,
 > Verse 12 of Surah Hud, Verse 188 of Surah
 al-A'raf and
 > Verse 45 of Surah Qaf,
 all validate freedom believes
 >
 >
 > In Surah
 > al-Ghashiyah, Verses 21 and 22 state: no
 man can manage
 > others belief. It is the
 prerogative of Almighty only to
 > judge 
 and He will do it only on the day of final
 > judgement.
 >
 > Unlike kafir,
 > Islam
 validates pluralist vision with many faiths coexisting
 > with respect each other, there no ifs or
 buts here"
 >
 >
 Above are true, now my
 > questions to so
 called secularists, which  Muslims nations
 > stops or compels non Muslims to follow
 Islam? 10% Non
 > Muslims and so called
 Muslims Secularists are compelling 90%
 >
 Muslims to follow their ideology!! Offering loans or
 funds
 > to poorer to compel their faiths
 like NGO's, Caritas,
 > world vision
 are the good examples.
 >
 > That's why Allah (SWT) mentioned
 about
 > these muslim secularists:
 >
 > "তারা
 বধির, মূক ও
 >
 অন্ধ। সুতরাং তারা
 ফিরে
 > আসবে
 না।"
 >
 >

 >  Razzak A. Syed
 >

 >
 > Sent from my
 > iPhone
 >
 >
 >> On 19 Apr 2017,
 at 11:08 am, Khoniker
 > Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> Kafir had no
 >
 provision for Secularism.
 >>
 >> a)
 >> Verse 149
 of
 > al-An'am : Everybody has right to
 choose their own
 > faith
 >> b)
 >> Verse
 256
 > of Surah al-Baqarah, La Ikraha
 Fiddin : There can't any
 > compulsion
 in religion.
 >>
 >> C)Verse 40 of Surah al-Raad, Verse 12
 of
 > Surah Hud, Verse 188 of Surah
 al-A'raf and Verse 45 of
 > Surah Qaf,
 all validate freedom believes
 >>
 >>
 >> In Surah
 al-Ghashiyah, Verses 21 and 22
 > state:
 no man can manage others belief. It is the
 > prerogative of Almighty only to judge 
 and He will do it
 > only on the day of
 final judgement.
 >>
 >> Unlike kafir, Islam validates
 pluralist
 > vision with many faiths
 coexisting with respect each other,
 >
 there no ifs or buts here
 >


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Re: [mukto-mona] Malala in Lalaland



"The man who attacked Parliament Hill called himself a Muslim — but he did not share my faith. … I am a Muslim and I believe that when you pick up a gun in the name of Islam and kill innocent people, you are not a Muslim anymore." -Malala

A broken record syndrome!. It would be really great for Malala to travel back to Pakistan and preach this same old gospel among her fellow countrymen. People in the west do not buy this kind of garbage anymore.


On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:58 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
A big problem with Malala and many other morons that call themselves Muslims is that they claim to believe in Islam without knowing much about Islam. Their minds are not strong enough to disown anything in Islam; so, they do not even want to know about Islam, as that could make them disgusted with the religion that they think they need to go to what is imagined as heaven.

Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to quite a few clowns over the years; and Malala is one of those unworthy laureates.

SuBain

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On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:32 PM, "Dristy Pat dristypat5@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Major problem with religion is that most people do not know much about it. Only fundamentalists Muslims are the true followers of Islam. Other Muslims only use Islam for identity politics, but do not know much about it.

Based on Malala's opinions about her religion, it is apparent that she does not know much about Islam either, but want to use it for her identity politics. 



On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:28 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Tarek Fatah's article in Toronto Sun

Malala Yousafzai Pakistani Nobel Peace Laureate Malala Yousafzai leaves Parliament hill after receiving an honorary Canadian citizenship in Ottawa, Ontario, April 12, 2017. (LARS HAGBERG/AFP/Getty Images
Two aspects of Malala Yousafzai's speech delivered to a packed House of Commons April 12 were notable.
The first was her failure to mention Stephen Harper, let alone thank the former prime minister who was behind the move to grant her honorary Canadian citizenship.
But it was what Malala said about Muslims and Islam that was both inaccurate and lacking in total honesty.
Referring to the 2014 killing of Canadian soldier Cpl. Nathan Cirillo by Muslim radical Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, Malala said: "The man who attacked Parliament Hill called himself a Muslim — but he did not share my faith. … I am a Muslim and I believe that when you pick up a gun in the name of Islam and kill innocent people, you are not a Muslim anymore."
The problem is Malala's words, while eloquent, are in conflict with the reality of today, and incompatible with 1,400 years of Islamic history.
Yet it drew applause from the audience, hungry for any medicine that would dull the pain caused by the growing cancer of Islamic terrorism.
That said, when it comes to Islamic history, someone might have asked Malala about the 17th century Ottoman Caliphate's siege at the Gates of Vienna, or perhaps the 11th century plundering of India by invading Islamic armies of Central Asia.
But since she is all but caged by her PR handlers, the media seldom get to ask her tough questions.
For example, would Malala say the Arab invasions of Persia, Jerusalem, Damascus and Egypt, "had nothing to do with Islam"?
How about the slaughter of Prophet Muhammad's very own family? Or the assassinations of three of the first four caliphs of Islam by Muslims?
Within hours of Malala's speech, a young Muslim journalism student inspired by Karl Marx and Che Guevara, from Malala's ancestral Swat region of Pakistan, was lynched.
A Muslim mob of university students accused Mashal Khan Yusufzai of being an Islamophobe. Because he was a Muslim, he had thus, in their view, committed blasphemy.
The 23-year old student was shot, beaten to a pulp and was about to be burned before police intervened, while the bloodthirsty crowd shouted "Allah O Akbar".
Earlier in the day, as Malala spoke in Ottawa, all MPs, including 12 Muslims who had voted for Pakistan-born MP Iqra Khalid's motion M-103 against "Islamophobia", cheered.
When I asked them to comment on the "anti-Islamophobia" lynching in Pakistan, not one responded, not even the three born in that region.
If there was any more evidence needed to show how M-103 can be misused as a tool against secular Muslims commenting critically on Islam, Mashal Yusufzai's death provided it.
What is required from us Muslims is a bit of truth and honesty.
Malala and the rest of us should face the reality of what our Qur'an says when confronting Kaafirs (infidels and Islamophobes, including Muslims like Mashal, who were labelled as such).
Qur'an (47:4) "When you meet the Unbelievers (Kufaar, non-Muslims) in fight, smite at their necks; At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them."
Quran (8:12) "Remember your Lord inspired the angels: 'I am with you: give firmness to the Believers (Muslims): I will instil terror into hearts of the Kufaar. Smite them above their necks, and smite all of their finger tips off them'."
It is time for all of us to be truthful instead of living in Lalaland.







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Mukto Mona plans for a Grand Darwin Day Celebration: 
Call For Articles:

http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=68

http://mukto-mona.com/banga_blog/?p=585

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