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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir



Dr. Roy would not have given such a certificate if he really knew a little more about the  various Christian groups. Obviously there are li liberal groups. There are fanatic and fundamentalist groups too. 

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On Sep 22, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Spell correction - virgin, not vargin

--- On Sat, 9/22/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 9:22 PM

 

Was Jesus a Muslim?

Jesus did say - there is only one God. Even Hinduism say that also. Idol worshiping is not about worshiping God. It has different purpose. And Jesus did not forbid idol worshiping for his followers. His followers worship idols of baby Jesus, vargin Mary, cross, and thousands of saints. Jesus did not forbid alcohol and pork meat consumption to his followers. Then, what kind of Muslim was he? Obvious, not the kind we know.

Frankly, I do not know enough to say more than this about the question.

Jiten Roy 

--- On Sat, 9/22/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
To: "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 8:22 PM

 
""Islam isn't a religion – it is a way of life." I have heard both Muslims and non-Muslims express this sentiment."

So, who are these non-Muslims, who are expressing the same sentiment? Please, do not shove such idiotic statement on other people' throats, who do not even subscribe Islam's teachings or tenets. Is it a better way of life? So, how come people are fleeing to the West? The proof is in the pudding!
-SD

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:


---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
To: moderatemuslims@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT)

 
 
SAME CONCEPT OF GOD:
 
Christian Scripture: "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." [Isaiah 46:9]
Muslim Scripture: "No visions can encompass Him, but He encompasses all visions. He is the Compassionate, the Cognizant."[Quran 6:103]
Muslim Scripture: "None equals Him." [Quran 112:4]
 
SAME CONCEPT OF WORSHIP GOD ALONE:
 
Christian Scripture: "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." [Mark 12:29][Deuteronomy 6:4]
Christian Scripture: "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." [Isaiah 43:11]
Christian Scripture: "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me." [Isaiah 45:5]
Christian Scripture: "I am the Lord, and there is no other" [Isaiah 45:18]
Christian Scripture: "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. "[Isaiah 42:8]
Muslim Scripture: " Say, "My Contact Prayers (Salat), my worship practices, my life and my death, are all devoted absolutely to GOD alone, the Lord of the universe." [Quran 6:162]
 
SAME CONCEPT AGAINST IDOL WORSHIP:
 
Christian Scripture: "And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcass upon the carcass of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you." [Leviticus 26:30]
Christian Scripture: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [Exodus 20:3-5] [Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
 Muslim Scripture: "GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until death), and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray." [Quran 4:116]
Muslim Scripture: "Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers."[Quran 5:72]
Muslim scripture:"We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, "You shall worship GOD, and avoid idolatry." Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying. Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors."[Quran 16:36]
 
SAME CONCEPT OF DISBELIEVERS
  
Christian Scripture: "Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." [Matthew 13:13]
 Muslim Scripture: "Can you make the deaf hear; can you make the blind see, or those who are far astray?" [Quran 43:40]
 
 
[33:62] God's Sunnah is unchangeable
[39:23] The Quran is the best Hadith
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/
 

From: Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com>
To: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: Was Jesus a Muslim? // comment

Salam Br Irtaza
 
You may want to quote a few verses from the New Testament to prove your case.


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Re: [mukto-mona] ‘A Man among men...’ -- Swami Vivekananda



One should read "Vivekananda Reassessed" - Narasingha P. Shil [Susquehenna University Press] to have a better understanding of him.

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Sudhir-Architect <ar_sudhirkumar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

'A Man among men...' -- Swami Vivekananda

120 years on, Swami Vivekananda's fiery speech at the Parliament of Religions is still fresh in
memory.This month marks the 120th anniversary of Swami Vivekananda's participation in the Parliament of Religions at Chicago.

It is appropriate to celebrate this great event through the month for a simple reason. While it is generally well-known that young Vivekananda had to sleep on a sidewalk in Chicago before being discovered and given a place to stay, what is less known is that his first lecture there on September 11, 1893, catapulted him to such a great stature that the organisers had to invite him to address the gathering every day during that fortnight!

A participant of that conference said, "When the audience was bored with the tedious eloquence of some other speakers and became restive, the president of the conference found that the best means to get them into order was to announce that Vivekananda would be the next speaker again!"

Among those present at that conference, Dr. Annie Besant later commented, "Off the platform, his figure was instinct with pride of country, pride of race – the representative of the oldest of living religions… India was not to be shamed before the hurrying arrogant West by this her envoy and her son. He brought her message, he spoke in her name, and the herald remembered the dignity of the royal land whence he came. Purposeful, virile, strong, he stood out, a man among men, able to hold his own. On the platform, another side came out. The dignity and the inborn sense of worth and power still were there, but all was subdued to the exquisite beauty of the spiritual message which he had brought, to the sublimity of that matchless truth of the East which is the heart and life of India…The huge multitude hung upon his words, not a syllable must be lost, not a cadence missed!"

Profound impact

An agnostic-turned-monk, Swami Vivekananda accomplished in a life span of 39 years what is probably not possible for anyone living even for a couple of centuries. His contribution was not obscurantist revival but rejuvenating renaissance of Hinduism and the Indian ethos. His deep sense of nationalism had a profound impact on the Freedom Struggle. His worldview and success in the Western world revived India's self esteem in the context of the depressed mood of enslavement. Suddenly, here was a new Indian spiritual leader known to the entire literate world.

His admirers included the likes of Leo Tolstoy and Max Mueller. Swamiji's personality combined the qualities of the Buddha, Mahavir, Adi Sankara, Ramanuja, and Chaitanya in a manner of syncretism. He was a great musician even as a teenager, attracting hundreds of people to his singing, a tradition which he continued all his life.

Even his religious ideas were radical. He once declared, "I do not know the 30 crore deities of our pantheon. But I know the millions of my suffering fellowmen who are my gods to be served." He epitomised this sentiment on the lines "Nara Seva is Narayana Seva" (Service to Man is Service to God). He did not believe in salvation by constantly running away from the world to meditate in caves; he believed that such enlightenment was only a means to serve his fellowmen. So he created an Order of Monks at the Ramakrishna Math and Mission, who are dedicated to the uplift of the downtrodden through education, health care and such other activities. He laid the foundation for communal and religious harmony, expanding on the principle his Guru had demonstrated.

The Tamil connection
How can anyone belonging to Tamil Nadu forget the unique relationship this part of the country had with a young Bengali saint who became the world-renowned Swami Vivekananda? It is well known that as a parivrajakacharya (wandering monk), Vivekananda reached Kanyakumari, swam across the sea, reached a rock and sat there in meditation for a few days. Although he had heard that a World Parliament of Religions was to take place in Chicago and a few people in Western India had suggested that he should participate, he could not make up his mind for long.

It was during his visit to Tamil Nadu that he decided to accept the challenge and proceed to America. Even then, he was debating with himself on whether he was genuinely interested in representing an ancient tradition of spirituality or was perhaps giving room to his ego to project himself. The enthusiasm of his disciples in Tamil Nadu led by Alasingar of Tiruvallikeni in Chennai helped him make up his mind.

The decision was clinched when a letter of blessings came from Sri Sarada Mata in Kolkata urging him to proceed to Chicago. The funds collected for his trip by his Tamil devotees became the nucleus which was strengthened by the generosity of the Maharaja of Ketri.

Half a century after the Chicago lecture, Rajaji said in simple words, "Swami Vivekananda saved Hinduism and saved India. But for him we would have lost our religion and would not have gained our freedom. We therefore owe everything to Swami Vivekananda. May his faith, his courage and his wisdom ever inspire us so that we may keep safe the treasure we have received from him!"

(Dr. S. Krishnaswamy is a documentary and television film maker and founder of the recently launched Tamil/English Heritage Channel, KRISHNA-TV.)

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article3917843.ece?homepage=true#.UFskBIOkrlI.email


Thanks & Regards,


Sudhir Srinivasan
B.Arch, MSc.CPM, Dip.ID, Dip.CAD, Dip.PM, Dip.LD
| Architect |






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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir



Muslims are very eager to propagate ideas that everybody is born a Muslim then he/she changes religion.  In practice, though, a man doesn't become Muslim till he sacrifices his prepuce, something not even their prophet did.  Adam, Abraham, Solomon etc. were all Muslims before even Islam was revealed.  Islam a culture full of contradictions.  They are against idolatry.  Yet their prayer house is adorned with dome and minaret, remnant Jahilian symbols.  They even adore graves of their ancestors and religious leaders!  

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Was Jesus a Muslim?

Jesus did say - there is only one God. Even Hinduism say that also. Idol worshiping is not about worshiping God. It has different purpose. And Jesus did not forbid idol worshiping for his followers. His followers worship idols of baby Jesus, virgin Mary, cross, and thousands of saints. Jesus did not forbid alcohol and pork meat consumption to his followers. Then, what kind of Muslim was he? Obvious, not the kind we know.

Frankly, I do not know enough to say more than this about the question.

Jiten Roy 

--- On Sat, 9/22/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
To: "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Cc: farida_majid@hotmail.com, syed.aslam3@gmail.com, shahadathusaini@hotmail.com, kamalctgu@gmail.com, srbanunz@gmail.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, americanbangladeshi@googlegroups.com, baainews@yahoogroups.com, sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, jnrsr53@yahoo.com, subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 8:22 PM

 
""Islam isn't a religion – it is a way of life." I have heard both Muslims and non-Muslims express this sentiment."

So, who are these non-Muslims, who are expressing the same sentiment? Please, do not shove such idiotic statement on other people' throats, who do not even subscribe Islam's teachings or tenets. Is it a better way of life? So, how come people are fleeing to the West? The proof is in the pudding!
-SD

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:


---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
To: moderatemuslims@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT)

 
 
SAME CONCEPT OF GOD:
 
Christian Scripture: "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." [Isaiah 46:9]
Muslim Scripture: "No visions can encompass Him, but He encompasses all visions. He is the Compassionate, the Cognizant."[Quran 6:103]
Muslim Scripture: "None equals Him." [Quran 112:4]
 
SAME CONCEPT OF WORSHIP GOD ALONE:
 
Christian Scripture: "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." [Mark 12:29][Deuteronomy 6:4]
Christian Scripture: "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." [Isaiah 43:11]
Christian Scripture: "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me." [Isaiah 45:5]
Christian Scripture: "I am the Lord, and there is no other" [Isaiah 45:18]
Christian Scripture: "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. "[Isaiah 42:8]
Muslim Scripture: " Say, "My Contact Prayers (Salat), my worship practices, my life and my death, are all devoted absolutely to GOD alone, the Lord of the universe." [Quran 6:162]
 
SAME CONCEPT AGAINST IDOL WORSHIP:
 
Christian Scripture: "And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcass upon the carcass of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you." [Leviticus 26:30]
Christian Scripture: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [Exodus 20:3-5] [Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
 Muslim Scripture: "GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until death), and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray." [Quran 4:116]
Muslim Scripture: "Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers."[Quran 5:72]
Muslim scripture:"We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, "You shall worship GOD, and avoid idolatry." Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying. Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors."[Quran 16:36]
 
SAME CONCEPT OF DISBELIEVERS
  
Christian Scripture: "Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." [Matthew 13:13]
 Muslim Scripture: "Can you make the deaf hear; can you make the blind see, or those who are far astray?" [Quran 43:40]
 
 
[33:62] God's Sunnah is unchangeable
[39:23] The Quran is the best Hadith
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/
 

From: Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com>
To: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: Was Jesus a Muslim? // comment

Salam Br Irtaza
 
You may want to quote a few verses from the New Testament to prove your case.
 
Mubashir

From: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:12:05 AM
Subject: Was Jesus a Muslim? // comment



 
Salamun Alaykum.
 
Jesus submitted to God.  Jesus was in fact a Submitter (in Arabic, Muslim).  Please examine the following verses:
 
[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
[3:52] When Jesus sensed their disbelief, he said, "Who are my supporters towards GOD?" The disciples said, "We are GOD's supporters; we believe in GOD, and bear witness that we are submitters."
[3:84] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
[42:13] He decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. GOD redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit. 
 
The majority of us have false belief that Mohammad founded the religion of Submission (in Arabic, Islam) and his followers are the only Submitters (in Arabic, Muslims). But, see the following Quranic truth:
 
[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
[5:69] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. 

 
Thank you and may God guide me. 
 
Muhammed Irtaza
 
 
[33:62] God's Sunnah is unchangeable
[39:23] The Quran is the best Hadith
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/
 
From: Dr. M. A. QAZI <drmaqazi@yahoo.com>
To: a
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Was Jesus a Muslim?

ROBERT SHEDINGERWas Jesus a Muslim?: Questioning Categories in the Study of Religion

FORTRESS PRESS, 2009
by KRISTIAN PETERSEN on  MAY 7, 2012
Robert Shedinger
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"Islam isn't a religion – it is a way of life." I have heard both Muslims and non-Muslims express this sentiment. For believers this statement is meant to demonstrate how comprehensive God's message is, covering not only the so-called spiritual aspects of life but also the seemingly secular components too. For polemicist denying Islam the status of being a religion serves to contribute to their agenda of challenging Muslim rights in western society. How should Islam be understood? And for that matter, what exactly is religion and how should we define it? Should we consider Islam a religion? Robert F. Shedinger, Professor of Religion at Luther College, addresses these questions in Was Jesus a Muslim?: Questioning Categories in the Study of Religion (Fortress Press, 2009). In this fascinating study Shedinger brings a broad spectrum of literature into dialogue to probe what we mean by religion, how Islam fits into that category, and how dialogue can exist between Muslims and non-Muslims based on these definitions. He outlines the problems with Comparative Religions, Interreligious Dialogue, and several other analytical categories more generally. Overall, he challenges us to rethinking how we conceive of the terms we use and their practical implications within real world circumstances. In our interview we explore the question if Islam is not a religion then what is it? Then with our new working meaning we ask was Jesus a Muslim? Take a listen and find out.








 
 





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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir



Spell correction - virgin, not vargin

--- On Sat, 9/22/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 9:22 PM

 

Was Jesus a Muslim?

Jesus did say - there is only one God. Even Hinduism say that also. Idol worshiping is not about worshiping God. It has different purpose. And Jesus did not forbid idol worshiping for his followers. His followers worship idols of baby Jesus, vargin Mary, cross, and thousands of saints. Jesus did not forbid alcohol and pork meat consumption to his followers. Then, what kind of Muslim was he? Obvious, not the kind we know.

Frankly, I do not know enough to say more than this about the question.

Jiten Roy 

--- On Sat, 9/22/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
To: "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Cc: farida_majid@hotmail.com, syed.aslam3@gmail.com, shahadathusaini@hotmail.com, kamalctgu@gmail.com, srbanunz@gmail.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, americanbangladeshi@googlegroups.com, baainews@yahoogroups.com, sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, jnrsr53@yahoo.com, subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 8:22 PM

 
""Islam isn't a religion – it is a way of life." I have heard both Muslims and non-Muslims express this sentiment."

So, who are these non-Muslims, who are expressing the same sentiment? Please, do not shove such idiotic statement on other people' throats, who do not even subscribe Islam's teachings or tenets. Is it a better way of life? So, how come people are fleeing to the West? The proof is in the pudding!
-SD

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:


---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
To: moderatemuslims@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ModerateMuslims] Was Jesus a Muslim? // response to Mubashir
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT)

 
 
SAME CONCEPT OF GOD:
 
Christian Scripture: "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." [Isaiah 46:9]
Muslim Scripture: "No visions can encompass Him, but He encompasses all visions. He is the Compassionate, the Cognizant."[Quran 6:103]
Muslim Scripture: "None equals Him." [Quran 112:4]
 
SAME CONCEPT OF WORSHIP GOD ALONE:
 
Christian Scripture: "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." [Mark 12:29][Deuteronomy 6:4]
Christian Scripture: "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." [Isaiah 43:11]
Christian Scripture: "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me." [Isaiah 45:5]
Christian Scripture: "I am the Lord, and there is no other" [Isaiah 45:18]
Christian Scripture: "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. "[Isaiah 42:8]
Muslim Scripture: " Say, "My Contact Prayers (Salat), my worship practices, my life and my death, are all devoted absolutely to GOD alone, the Lord of the universe." [Quran 6:162]
 
SAME CONCEPT AGAINST IDOL WORSHIP:
 
Christian Scripture: "And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcass upon the carcass of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you." [Leviticus 26:30]
Christian Scripture: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [Exodus 20:3-5] [Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
 Muslim Scripture: "GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until death), and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray." [Quran 4:116]
Muslim Scripture: "Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers."[Quran 5:72]
Muslim scripture:"We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, "You shall worship GOD, and avoid idolatry." Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying. Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors."[Quran 16:36]
 
SAME CONCEPT OF DISBELIEVERS
  
Christian Scripture: "Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." [Matthew 13:13]
 Muslim Scripture: "Can you make the deaf hear; can you make the blind see, or those who are far astray?" [Quran 43:40]
 
 
[33:62] God's Sunnah is unchangeable
[39:23] The Quran is the best Hadith
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/
 

From: Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com>
To: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: Was Jesus a Muslim? // comment

Salam Br Irtaza
 
You may want to quote a few verses from the New Testament to prove your case.
 
Mubashir

From: Student of the Quran <irtaza1@yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:12:05 AM
Subject: Was Jesus a Muslim? // comment



 
Salamun Alaykum.
 
Jesus submitted to God.  Jesus was in fact a Submitter (in Arabic, Muslim).  Please examine the following verses:
 
[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
[3:52] When Jesus sensed their disbelief, he said, "Who are my supporters towards GOD?" The disciples said, "We are GOD's supporters; we believe in GOD, and bear witness that we are submitters."
[3:84] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
[42:13] He decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. GOD redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit. 
 
The majority of us have false belief that Mohammad founded the religion of Submission (in Arabic, Islam) and his followers are the only Submitters (in Arabic, Muslims). But, see the following Quranic truth:
 
[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
[5:69] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. 

 
Thank you and may God guide me. 
 
Muhammed Irtaza
 
 
[33:62] God's Sunnah is unchangeable
[39:23] The Quran is the best Hadith
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/
 
From: Dr. M. A. QAZI <drmaqazi@yahoo.com>
To: a
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Was Jesus a Muslim?

ROBERT SHEDINGERWas Jesus a Muslim?: Questioning Categories in the Study of Religion

FORTRESS PRESS, 2009
by KRISTIAN PETERSEN on  MAY 7, 2012
Robert Shedinger
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"Islam isn't a religion – it is a way of life." I have heard both Muslims and non-Muslims express this sentiment. For believers this statement is meant to demonstrate how comprehensive God's message is, covering not only the so-called spiritual aspects of life but also the seemingly secular components too. For polemicist denying Islam the status of being a religion serves to contribute to their agenda of challenging Muslim rights in western society. How should Islam be understood? And for that matter, what exactly is religion and how should we define it? Should we consider Islam a religion? Robert F. Shedinger, Professor of Religion at Luther College, addresses these questions in Was Jesus a Muslim?: Questioning Categories in the Study of Religion (Fortress Press, 2009). In this fascinating study Shedinger brings a broad spectrum of literature into dialogue to probe what we mean by religion, how Islam fits into that category, and how dialogue can exist between Muslims and non-Muslims based on these definitions. He outlines the problems with Comparative Religions, Interreligious Dialogue, and several other analytical categories more generally. Overall, he challenges us to rethinking how we conceive of the terms we use and their practical implications within real world circumstances. In our interview we explore the question if Islam is not a religion then what is it? Then with our new working meaning we ask was Jesus a Muslim? Take a listen and find out.








 
 


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