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Re: [mukto-mona] Shodesh Roy's article



Swadesh Roy can't see that none of these veteran politicians are willing to take a share of the blame of failure due to Awami mismanagement.  Their attitude can't be termed escapism.  At worst, it is non cooperation with the Hon'ble Prime Minister Shaikh Hasina.  Not every rat would be willing to board a sinking ship even it had cheese in it.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy



"About the level of advancement and authenticity enhanced by the 'peer reviewed' scientific articles; late Martin Gardner, a regular contributor in the Scientific American, found most of it rotten."

 OK, another quote from another person. What are your thoughts about the current peer review system? How would you make it better? Any suggestions?

"this forum which is lately being crowded by semi impostor and half baked idiots."

What do you care? Do you feel threatened because we, imposters post and pin you down for your idiocy? Is that your problem?
-SD

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy

 
Your beliefs are; (a) business interest plays less or no role in publishing 'peer reviewed' scientific articles, (b)  books get reviewed by the publishers, not by peers(on this issue your assumption changes by the day), (c) the U. S. economic development is the only such development there is, (d) Rush Limbaugh is an ideal talk show host; to name a few.  Are you sure that your ideas don't need a little revamp?  Even on the Chinese issue you went back from it's policy relaxation to the ping-pong diplomacy.  About the level of advancement and authenticity enhanced by the 'peer reviewed' scientific articles; late Martin Gardner, a regular contributor in the Scientific American, found most of it rotten.

Your attitude that the Wall Street is the ultimate place to make money.  Is it not the play ground for schemers and scam masters?  Even the Govt., which your ideologues want to bury(in Nevada desert probably), plays a significant role in skimming money out of the losers.  I am not questioning your aptitude in science.  I hope you have not for gotten your episode with Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty on explaining the trivial issues of matter-wave duality and Scroedinger Cat.

No matter, what differences we have in opinion, I appreciate you and Dr. Bain more than others in this forum which is lately being crowded by semi impostor and half baked idiots.  Regarding any 'infallible' opinion of the psychiatrists, I hold it more trustworthy than that of religious scripts.


On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Believe me, Dr. Das, I find no pleasure going against you, because I like many of your views, and I have praised you for that in the past. But, you have been a bit erratic lately; you are disseminating derogatory remarks and comments whoever disagrees with you. My friend, I do not like to boost myself here, but it seems that I have to – in order to defend myself. I am still a reviewer in two international journals, and have over 2 dozens of publications in peer-reviewed Journals; I first authored in most of those publications. Trust me - I know what I am talking about. I understand books are reviewed by the publisher, but – the intent of that review is mostly business interest (i.e., if it will make money for the publisher). Fictional books Harry Potter series made a history in the best seller list; may have made more than 100 million, may be more. Obviously, the book you are referring to is an intriguing one, and I am sure it will go to the best seller list also. That's a different issue. We are talking about the authenticity of principles in the book. In fact, we are peer-reviewing the book in this forum, and the reviewers did not reach a verdict yet. I also heard that Psychiatry Association advocates – Man-Boy sexual interaction is good for the Boys' psyche. Do you want to run with it? I don't.  
In scientific world, peer-review is a totally different concept. I am sure you know the process. But, for those who do not know, I will try to give a briefing on the process. In that - you send your manuscript to the Editor. The editor then sends the manuscript to 2-3 unnamed critics, who are experts on the field. In most cases, authors' identities are taken out of the manuscript before sending them for review to avoid bias. Those experts will go into every aspect as per their knowledge and expertise. The goal of reviewing a manuscript is not just to judge authenticity and principles, it's also to judge if it will advance the knowledge available at that time. If it adds nothing – it becomes redundant. Sometime, that's also good for publication to establish a new idea or method. This judgment is under the jurisdiction of the reviewers. It may happen that reviewer may not understand the idea - if it is totally against the established view on the subject. They could reject the manuscript even though the author is correct. That battle could go on forever, and the manuscript may not get published at all. It happened to me a few times, and I gave up.
I am saying all these to demarcate the difference between a book-review and a peer-review of scientific papers. I am not saying these to establish myself; I believe - I have done it without any of these. So, you can save your derogatory remarks for the next time.
Jiten Roy

--- On Sat, 9/15/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 11:18 PM


 
To cite a reference on books being peer reviewed, even Satanic Verses by Rushdie had been reviewed before publication, and a reviewer was Kushwant Singh.  It may help you to know that I was a reviewer of articles sent for publication in 'The Journal of solution Chemistry' years ago.  I gave it up ultimately as they would not pay be a dime for the trouble.  In contrary to your understanding that Chinese economic progress started 'only after relaxing' it might have accelerated after such relaxation, it started long before Mao Tse Tung was dead.

I may be losing my mind lately, but to be at par with a few braggarts here, you may rest assured, would take a few more decades. 

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Do you understand that Chinese economic progress started only after relaxing their communist economic/social policies to adopt capitalist economic principles? Obviously you don't. I think you need the refresher course on economics before me.
Also, you should take a refresher course on publishing scientific works. I do not think you have that much experience of publishing scientific papers in the reputed international Journals. Otherwise, you would not say that books are peer reviewed publications also. People can write scientific books or review articles based on published knowledge, and usually a friend writes flattering review on the book.  That's not called peer review. You must be losing your mind lately.
Jiten Roy

--- On Sat, 9/15/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 8:08 PM


 
Apparently, you are turning a blind eye towards the development of China through last three decades.  What you need is a freshman course on Economics.

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Yes, progressive taxation in conjunction with currency devaluation can accelerate the redistribution process. That's what Obama is trying to do in the USA. But, this is not the way to change fates of the poor people. If redistribution worked, socialist countries would be economically successful and survived.
 
Jiten Roy


--- On Fri, 9/14/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 10:07 PM


 
"To redistribute wealth, you need force.That is a primitive process, currently the process is progressive taxation and even faster is progressive devaluation of currency.  In last forty years, the dollar, for instance has lost over ninety percent of it's value.  Share market upheavals also work.  Big guys have lost significant chunks of their wealth in course of weeks in recent history.  In lieu of warriors to enforce something, let the economists ruin the rich.  They would the job without a drop of blood shed.

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Income redistribution is the central objective of a socialist system. To redistribute wealth, you need force. The people who will exert that force will remain rich or become rich, and the rest will become slaves. An example is the North Korea now.
I know that Barak Obama is not going to take the money from the rich. He can't.  American system will not let him. But he is saying so only to please his poor and middle class voter base. That's the point. He is playing Robin-hood just to get their votes. He knows that. Only people don't know - are his blind supporters. Therefore, Barak Obama's anti-rich rant is just a plain deceitful tactics to buy votes. He has no economic record to run with, so, this is the only thing left for him to run on.
By the way, I am happy that Barak Obama is richer than me. He is living the American Dream.
Jiten Roy   
   
--- On Fri, 9/14/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 8:32 PM


 

Forgive me for saying so; but I see a "Joe the Plumber" syndrome in Dr. Roy. That guy was arguing with Barak Obama four years back about the possible redistribution of wealth that he hoped to have, but did not have at the time. This is typical of the ignoramuses among the lower middle class Americans who could be fooled by the Republican Party.
 
Talking about 'anti-rich mantra from our beloved President', I have no doubt that Barak Obama is many times richer than Dr. Roy. He certainly is not anti-rich. I have never seen him advocating anything like making a rich person poor. In the world of rich people, he is a bit more decent. That is all. He is not about to give away the riches of himself or of anyone else in his class.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
 

If I understood correctly - the first part of your comments says America is not a land of opportunity for some people, because many people are not working in the field they graduated from. Yet, you are concluding that America is the land of opportunity. What is it?
 
My friend, I am not working in my field of education also, and you will find millions of people, like me, who switch fields every day. It has nothing to do with smartness. How many countries can offer that flexibility? Forget about me, ask yourself - are you better off in America than you would have been in any other countries?
 
Now, let me remind you again, if you have forgotten, real king-maker is the perception in life, not how much money you have. You will probably find – millionaires, who are not happy because they are not billionaires yet. We have a janitor in our department. Whenever I see him, he gives me inspiration. He is always so happy. When I asked him about his secret, he said – "Life is what you make of it." In my view – he is the king in his world. You can be resentful of others' successes or you can make peace with what you have or you can dream for betterment and strive for it. It is up to you. I know it will be hard to understand for those who are getting daily dose of resentment and anti-rich mantra from our beloved President.
 
Jiten Roy
 
 

--- On Thu, 9/13/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012, 10:50 PM

 
About a day or two ago, Dr. Jiten Roy said that he came to America with only $20 in his pocket and the land of opportunity has placed him where he is now. Maybe he now owns $20 million. As far as I know, any student of Physics who came to America for higher studies came with a job (assistantship) in hand. Some students even got the plane fare from the university. But think about the student who came to Dhaka university with 20 taka in hand and graduated with a good degree that helped him come to America. I know many Ph.Ds from good schools in America who are not doing "proper" jobs. I cannot say that those who are not getting jobs despite having good degrees are less smart. 
I hope nobody misunderunderstand me. No doubt this is a land of freedom and opportunities.  
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
 
There is nobody else with the very same name as mine.  You should very well know where I come from, your origin being the same place.  Being a new convert you are expected to display more loyalty but having your trust in it is a different matter.  If the US-University system is among the great things in your opinion, you are unaware of it's history even sixty years ago.  Even the Ivy Leaguers were way behind the European ones.

The world would be much better off without the U. S. help and their intervention.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I am sorry, I may have made a huge boo-boo; I was all along thinking you as someone else with the very same name.
You said: "I suggest you study the history of it's rise and it's contribution to the world politics for last few hundred years and develop a solid basis beneath the loyalty to your new found nation."
Now I know - where you are coming from, and why you can't find anything great about USA. How about US-University system? I know just about enough US history to appreciate it this much. Do you know what this world expects from USA? They want US help, but no influence. Is that a reasonable expectation? Show me any other country in the world which will satisfy this expectation. Don't judge everything with emotion; be a little bit practical thinker instead.
Jiten Roy
  --- On Thu, 9/13/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012, 7:53 PM
 
I worked all my life in the land I was born, spent a few years for 'higher education' in the U. S. A., and I am not yet retired.  U.S.A. is a great nation built by ruining the Red Indians, snatching land away from other colonialists, and made rich by virtue of two great wars that left it untouched.  I suggest you study the history of it's rise and it's contribution to the world politics for last few hundred years and develop a solid basis beneath the loyalty to your new found nation.  
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Let me explain my problem with most of your comments, they are usually 1 – 2 liners. So, usually, we have to guess what you mean. I am glad that you clarified your political bent. I believe, most people in this forum support democratic platform. That's fine with me. Political talks in this forum is meaningless. I can give hundred reasons why I support other party, but - nobody will change their mind. Then what's the point. So, let's stay away from politics.
 
The other issue you raised is interesting. You said you are staying away from US pressure-cooker society. I am not sure what that means. As far as I know, a substantial part of your life has been spent in the USA; you received higher education here, and worked here until retirement. Now, you feel US society is a pressure-cooker, and you live outside. It will be interesting if you care to explain a bit more on this, because I also think this society is moving away from the traditional values that made this country great. I do not like what I see recently.
 
You said that USA arranged and/or sat back while Japan attacked the Pearl Harbor, so that they can bomb Japan into Stone Age. It is apparent from your statements that – you are a contrarian, and believe in the conspiracy theories. You probably also believe 9/11 was planned by George Bush administration so they can attack Afghanistan and Iraq. My wife told me yesterday – she heard that - the infamous film was funded by middle-eastern money to spark the violence against the USA. All these are a bit nutty to me, to put it mildly. Then again, what do I know about the truth? After all, human-beings are the most dangerous animals on the planet.
 
Jiten Roy --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 11:56 PM
 
You seem overwhelmed with emotion.  I am not a Democratic voter, I do not even reside in that pressure cooker society called the U. S. A.  It's not unlikely for the U. S. agents to pull strings to stage such event as happened in Benghazi to raise the popularity of an incumbent U. S. President in the election year.  Remember, even the Pearl Harbor bombing was allowed to happen.  Hawaii is less an American island than Japanese; Of fifty states, nothing more than thirteen colonies should be legitimately claimed by the U. S. A.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Oh, I see - if it is typical Republican response, it does not count. I forgot about that.
Can I accuse you as a brainwashed Democrat to dismiss everything you say?
Actually, I won't. I know everything you say, you mean it. And, I hope, you will believe that in my case also. I did not hide my political bent; it's not a secret. You and Dr. Jafforullah must know that.
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 9:39 PM
 
Dr. Roy's response is typically republican.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Jaffor <jaffor@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Dr. Jiten Roy could do himself a big favor by acquiring knowledge before posting his remarks here in M-M forum. Yes, this is not the first time that a U.S. ambassador was killed in a foreign land by terrorists in the line of duty. Francis E. Meloy, Jr. the U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was assassinated in 1976. There may be another one or two American ambassadors who were killed abroad while serving our nation. And he should not try to blame the killing on the liberal Democratic president. Lest he is losing his mind, Obama kept our forces miles away from Libya when people over there waged a civil war to topple Muamar Gadhafi. Many Republican Senators and Congressmen including John McCain had advocated sending troops to Libya. But Obama very cleverly avoided the direct involvement. Historically, Republicans take the nation to war. And the "Liberal" Democrats end the war. Examples are aplenty. The Korean War was ushered in by Dwight Eisenhower; Nixon escalated the Vietnam War by bombing Cambodia and Laos even though he did not start that War. I won't even mention GWB and RC's tireless effort to start 2 wars in Western Asia during 2001 and 2003. Dr. Roy should not be so trigger happy to post his comments in this forum. The more he opens his mouth, the more he reveals his ignorance and shallow mindedness about world affairs. Let us all agree that it is a sad day for the world. Needlessly, a diplomat had to lose his life. Lastly, Dr. Roy should not make the forum muddy by posting his partisan comments such as Obama's liberal policy has made this wanton killing possible. --- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote: > > Obama response is tepid and insincere.  Hillary response is nonsensical. Our spineless liberal administration is up to no good. This inept administration can’t handle anything, be that domestic or foreign. Embassy is US property, and an attack on that property on 9/11 by foreigners is nothing but another 9/11. You are so right. It’s not an accident that â€" they chose this day to attack US embassy to protest for a U-tube video, and kill US Ambassador. I don’t know if ever before an US Ambassador got killed in a foreign country.   > - JR   > > --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote: > > > From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...>
> Subject: [mukto-mona] Obama vows justice for killed US envoy > To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:54 PM > > >
>  
> > > > > > Is this another 9/11 anniversary? They have killed a friend and good man! I do not think a video film is the only cause for such outrage. > > -SD > > Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy > >
> US President Barack Obama: "There is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence" > > > US President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice the killers of the US ambassador to Libya during protests against a film that mocks Islam. > But he told reporters that the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government. > Mitt Romney, Mr Obama's political foe, criticised his handling of the crisis. > Ambassador J Christopher Stevens reportedly died of smoke inhalation after a crowd stormed the consulate. > > Three other Americans were also killed and the consulate set ablaze. > Rocket-propelled grenades were reportedly fired during the assault on Tuesday night. > Charred vehicles could be seen parked near the damaged buildings on Wednesday. > A US marine anti-terrorism team is being sent to Libya to bolster security after the attack, a US defence source told reporters in Washington. > Protesters against the film attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night. > In other developments on Wednesday: > > Nigeria placed its police force on red alert to guard against attacks related to the controversial film > The US embassy in Algiers warned Americans in Algeria to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for protests on social media > > Tunisian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the air to disperse a protest by several hundred people near the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, Tunis, as they chanted slogans including "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam", Reuters reports > > Demonstrations were reported outside the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum and the US consulate in Casablanca, Morocco, as well as outside the UN offices in the Gaza Strip > > The Afghan government ordered a block on Youtube until the offending film was removed but the site was still visible to internet users in Kabul'Especially tragic' > Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done." > He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack. > > > Analysis
> Jonathan Marcus BBC Diplomatic Correspondent > The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, along with three other US embassy staff, raises a host of questions about security, the prevalence of armed militias in the country and the whole trajectory of Libya's democratic project. > The Obama administration in Washington will want answers from the Libyan government about the scale of the security measures in place at its consulate in Benghazi and how demonstrators were able to get into the building. > More broadly the ambassador's death highlights the continuing instability in Libya as the country struggles to establish security and the rule of law. > The country is awash with weapons and armed militias - some of a salafist or extreme Islamic fundamentalist outlook - hold sway in many areas. > "It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save," he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overthrow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi. > Reports say a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack, but the group has denied the claim, the BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says. > Ambassador Stevens and his staff went to the consulate in an attempt to evacuate the site after it was attacked, the Associated Press news agency said. > The building apparently came under attack by a crowd armed with guns and rocket-propelled grenades. > The Libyan doctor who treated Mr Stevens in hospital said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, with no other injuries > Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, who told AP he tried for 90 minutes to revive him, said Mr Stevens was the only American brought into the Benghazi Medical Centre and initially nobody realised he was the ambassador. > > > US media reaction > Time correspondent Ashraf Khalil describes the scene on the ground in Egypt and concludes the reaction to the film was "essentially a case of an American group of fringe Christian fundamentalists successfully provoking and enraging a similar group of fringe Muslim fundamentalists". > ABC's Jake Tapper explains the chronology of events in Egypt and Libya as the Romney campaign accused the White House on Tuesday of being sympathetic with those who waged the attacks. > NBC calls Mr Romney's criticism of the Obama administration "one of the most over-the-top and incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign". > In the International Herald Tribune, Harvey Morris shares Christopher Stevens' recent emails with him about his hopes for Libya. > Libya's interim leader, Mohammed Magarief, apologised to the US over the killings, which he called "cowardly criminal acts". > Libya's deputy envoy to the UN, Ibrahim Dabashi, told the UN Security Council that his government was carrying out an investigation but he admitted it did not control all of Libya's territory. > "We cannot understand how this group, or these persons, could have eliminated such a wonderful person," he said. > Both UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council condemned the attack. > Mr Romney, Mr Obama's Republican challenger in this November's presidential election, said the Obama administration had appeared to "sympathise with those who waged the attacks" in Benghazi and Cairo.
> Mr Obama's team, he said, had sent "mixed signals to the world" in the face of violence.Safety concerns
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he had sent condolences to President Obama and that he expected the new Libyan authorities to "do all in their power... to bring the killers to justice". > Continue reading the main story > US ambassadors killed in line of duty > > John Gordon Mein - Guatemala, 1968: Shot dead by rebels who ambushed his car > Cleo A Noel Jr - Sudan, 1973: Shot dead along with senior US and Belgian diplomats by Palestinian militants, after being taken hostage in Saudi embassy > Rodger P Davies - Cyprus, 1974: Killed by sniper gunfire during a protest at US embassy by Greek Cypriots > Francis E Meloy Jr - Lebanon, 1976: Kidnapped and shot dead by Palestinian militants in Beirut with another senior US official > Adolph Dubs - Afghanistan, 1979: Killed in exchange of fire after Afghan and Soviet forces tried to free him from kidnappers in hotel > Our correspondent says many people in Libya are still armed following the conflict that overthrew Gaddafi. > Analysts say the attack will raise serious new concerns about stability in the country and the ability of the new Libyan administration to maintain security. > In June, two British bodyguards were injured in an attack in Benghazi on a convoy carrying the British ambassador to Libya. Red Cross and UN staff also came under attack this year. > Correspondents say the film at the heart of the row, which appeared on Youtube translated into Arabic, is highly provocative and insulting to Muslims. > An Islamic tenet bans the portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad. > Cartoons featuring the founder of Islam sparked violent unrest among Muslims in 2005 when they were published by a Danish newspaper. > > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19577913
>  
> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS >








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Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist



If you think you have made some great arguments for this public forum, what do you care?
Put another hat on thick scull and keep farting!
-SD
 

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
Does a cogent argument have to be defined by such man as you?

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Mr. Das is totally wrong with this Turkish woman issue. I have not seen any cogent argument from his side. Zero, Nada! Let's ignore this man for a while until he gets back his sanity.
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
Dr. Kamal Das, you should stop this nonsense. You are completely off-track with this topic. I understand you have read a book about sexual encounter. What I cannot understand is why you are considering that book as the final revelation on this matter. It will be insanity to say that this woman has tacit approval of being raped by this man multiple times. You should dump that book and snap out of this insanity. Why don't you take a break for a few days, and then come back to this forum.
I don't understand - why it is so difficult for you to understand that this lady belongs to a very conservative society, where a female rape victim needs 4 witnesses to prove her rape allegation. She knows that she can't prove the allegation. Do you understand what would have happened to her if she would go public and couldn't prove the allegation? She would either be humiliated in public or divorced or flogged in public or stoned to death based on how conservative the society is. My guess is - she may have threatened him a few times, but it did not stop the man. So, she went to the extreme. This man must have driven her to insanity; he has definitely ruined her life and her family. I congratulate her for her bravery.
Jiten Roy
 
 

--- On Sat, 9/15/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 8:54 PM

 
Normally a dissertation is just a little twist or an inch of advancement from what has been done in a particular field. And quite often, it is even less than that.

Getting back to the starting point of the Turkish woman who beheaded her multiple rapist.  What message would the rapist get, if the victim meets her assaulter repeatedly after the first incidence, or allows him to meet her?  That simple consideration is absent from a few self claimed wise man and one wise woman here.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
About a decade ago, there was a sensational news in American media. One student wrote a dissertation that was "read" by the members of the dissertation committee and the same earned him a Ph. D degree. It was later on found that that dissertation did not make any sense; it was simply full of complex concepts, equations, and cryptic language, and sounded like a very original work. This sensational news probably can still be read using google search. 
A Korean student I'm my school used right data but wrong program to end up with findings that did not make sense. His chair only sensed the mistake. The remaining members had the slightest idea about the topic. My friend got Ph. D. When I asked him why he was not trying to publish it. In reply he revealed what I have described above. He is now teaching in Korea. 
Every dissertation is not a dissertation that uncovers very fundamental truth. We may cite de Broglie or Amartya Sen. According to my friend who had a Ph. D from Pennstate that normally a dissertation is just a little twist or an inch of advancement from what has been done in a particular field. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
Needless to say that I have also published in many peer reviewed journals. So, I would not take your BS that the book is really peer reviewed like one that you are talking about. The author may have given it to his friends to look at it but that does not mean it was peer reviewed. That book is merely his/her opinion. Do you understand?

Do you know how scientific papers are anonymously reviewed by two to three referees? You can publish thousands books from your basement but that does not mean you are peer reviewed. Even a scientific review article is not peer reviewed. Most of the time, it is the editor, who looks through it and prints it for the public. It is never too late to learn some hard facts about scientific publication policy of our time! Books are not peer reviewed, period!


"The key finding in that book,  and elsewhere also, is that no male would sustain his erection without signal to trigger it from his counterpart. "

If you believe in such BS, tell me what methodology did he use? How these experiments were done? Just make my day Professor!!! I dare you that you would not be able find any methodology in that fictional book. Take my challenge!

-SD

 

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
I have given the key finding before, and you did not comprehend it.  Peer reviewed scientific study, may be better in your opinion, being foolish enough not to know that no book gets published without being reviewed by peers.  I have published a few scientific papers in the western world myself.  I don't need a lecture from any one like you on matters involving scientific mind who defends murder against rape.  The key finding in that book,  and elsewhere also, is that no male would sustain his erection without signal to trigger it from his counterpart.  Apparently, you don't even have the ability to search the relevant articles on the net, which is easier than looking for it elsewhere.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
A book of 100 or 1000 pages does not prove anything but a peer reviewed scientific study does. You sound like another Rahman or Hannan who rather carry a religious  book and find all their answers in that book. At least, they know all the words in that book. Do you see the problem?
It is a great shame that you can't even quote the key findings in that book. And, you call yourself a scientific mind?

You have a tendency to get into many discussions and throw some books for the forum people to read while you, yourself not knowing fully the contents of those books. Who would you like to impress with such shallow one or two liners?

-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:44 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
The book is a short one, would need a little over an hour to read, and is available on the net.  A point proved over hundred pages can not be presented by a few lines.  You seem to lack that comprehension.  You would not find me bright, may be because I am not so, and their might be other reasons too, like you have lost your eyesight if you ever had any.  Their are other observations by reputed authors on the subject of rape or sex(which by the way are very different subjects) between opposite genders.  A classic allegation was made by Julekha against Yusuf/Joseph.  Luckily he could present a shirt to prove that the lady was the real attacker.  Other accused are not so fortunate.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
"In this case, the 'victim' did not resort to any legal means, she silenced the 'predator' and does not deserve sympathy from any corner."

 Any legal means in a patriarchal country like Turkey, where rape is still a family shame and taboo? You have lost your mind. Besides, the lady might need four witnesses to testify about those rapes.
I do not know what kind of professor you are? I do not find you very bright.
If you want to cite some reference, cite some scientific findings and data. An opinion from some psychiatrist is not good enough. Besides, you are throwing a whole book for me to read and find me the answer. Why don't you exactly quote what this man has written? Tell me how he did his experiments? I do not think you are up to that task.
-SD


"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:12 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
"According to Prof. Das's theory, a second assault would make things totally kosher because the female victim probably initiates that encounter? All of a sudden a victim becomes a predator?"  This is a total misinterpretationIn this case, the 'victim' did not resort to any legal means, she silenced the 'predator' and does not deserve sympathy from any corner.  The real story in a rape case is rarely exposed.  Statistically, more 'rapes' are committed by acquaintances.  If the first few go unreported, the instigation factor can not be ignored.  It is apparent, whose argument is 'silly and stupid'.  If someone does not care a professional psychiatrist or a best seller book, it is his problem, and he should look for a graceful exit before even advising others to do so.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I think the bone of contention for this argument is whether a predator assaults his victims once or twice? According to Prof. Das's theory, a second assault would make things totally kosher because the female victim probably initiates that encounter? All of a sudden a victim becomes a predator? I think the argument is pretty silly and stupid!

-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
This is what I think. Love-making between two lovers may get affected without female cooperation. This has to do with love and attraction for each other. When female does not cooperate, love and attraction disappear from the scene, and male feels rejection, which may affect his psyche. But, it will not be applicable to a rape, where the male attacker is mentally in a different state of mind; he is looking for sex, nothing else.
 
Jiten Roy
 

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 11:28 AM

 
Do you think I care who is professor and who is not? Some professorial positions/names do not cut with me, bro  Please put some solid data to prove your point if you care.  Show us some rape simulation data regarding what hormones or chemicals are being induced or secreted from the victims' brains in comparison to a normal intercourse. If you can't, please take a graceful exit from this discussion.
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

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Actually all hate campaigns should be a monopoly by the followers of Islam.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

The producer then contacted another Egyptian-American extremist Copt, Morris Sadek, 70, who for decades has led an anti-Muslim campaign in the U.S. Nakoula asked for his help in promoting and distributing the film.

>>>>>>>>> One bone-head aiding another bone-head....



Florida Pastor Terry Jones, who is infamous for his calls to publicly burn the Qur'an. Even though Jones promoted the film on his website


>>>>>>>> Another sign of certified bone-head. Here a "PASTOR" is peddling amateur movie to stick it to "Muslims".

It is too bad SOME "Less than informed" Muslims decided to respond to this in a "Bone-headed" manner as well.

That is why it is important to leave the "Chagols" alone.

Shalom!
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 4:17 am
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] "Innocence of Muslims" is a Condemnable Video.

 
      This is not the time to make sweeping communal remarks.  But Kamal Das's chhagol-sense does not know how to restrain from his communal MyAAAN  MYAAAA.  We know about the situation of Muslim Brotherhood hamla on the Copts. But still, the two communities do live side by side there, and recently when an eminent Coptic Patriarch died the whole Egyptian society paid respect, with Muslim religious leaders paying special homage.

       Here's more about the Coptic Christian person who was involved in the making of the stupid movie:

According to the most credible reports, this repulsive film was written, produced, and directed by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, an extremist anti-Muslim Egyptian-American Coptic Christian in his mid fifties. Nakoula is a felon convicted in California on bank fraud charges, for which he received a suspended 21-month sentence and was fined $790,000. According to press reports the low budget movie was filmed last year and starred sixty actors who recently released a statement stating that they were never told that the movie was about the prophet Muhammad. They also maintained that most of the offensive language was later dubbed over their images. Screened last June in a Hollywood theatre the movie was a flop that barely registered on anyone's radar. The producer then contacted another Egyptian-American extremist Copt, Morris Sadek, 70, who for decades has led an anti-Muslim campaign in the U.S. Nakoula asked for his help in promoting and distributing the film.
 
According to the Associated Press Sadek then contacted his friend, Florida Pastor Terry Jones, who is infamous for his calls to publicly burn the Qur'an. Even though Jones promoted the film on his website and announced that he would screen it on the anniversary of Sept. 11 as well as conduct a mock trial against the prophet Muhammad, his announcements drew very little attention from the public or the media. By early September less than 50 people had actually viewed the film's 14-minute trailer on YouTube.

------- [excerpted from a longer article]

              Farida Majid
 


To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: subain1@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:58:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] "Innocence of Muslims" is a Condemnable Video.

 

I would not dig into the life of anyone that lived on this Earth fifteen hundred years back for the sole purpose of denigrating him/her. For I realize that such a long time back people in most parts of the world knew less and lived a primitive and uncivilized life. I would be willing to do academic research on the lives of big heroes and villains in order to learn virtues and discard vices. However, raw insults and mocking do not do any good, especially when the subject in question is revered by millions of people with a lot of emotion, even when everything said is based upon facts.
 
However, I would be against hatred and injustice during my time, no matter what religion or philosophy endorses them. I think the world would be a lot better place if the powerful political and economic forces did not play games with, and did not tolerate, hatred and injustice due to religions. I am not talking about cheap insults on anyone or on any religion; I am talking about methodical removal of hatred and injustice from the world.
 
Sukhamaya Bain   

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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] "Innocence of Muslims" is a Condemnable Video.

 
It may be condemnable.  Yet it hasn't portrayed anything that does not already exist in the Islamic literature about the 'holy' prophet.

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
(Re-sent with a typo correction.)

I was disgusted looking at a 14 minutes trailer of the video, "Innocence of Muslims", on the internet. I do not see anything good in this video. I do not see anything good that the makers of this video could accomplish here. I do not see anyone learning anything good from this video. I do not see any good sense of entertainment here. I do not see how this video could help any class of people in any way.
 
I express my strong condemnation of this video. I am also pleased that the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, has expressed her disgust after watching this video.
 
While I strongly believe that religious people, both the innocent and the hate-monger kinds, need education in rationality, I do not think this kind of insults and mocking of religions helps any cause in any way. It does not help educate or advance any kind of people in the world. It only alienates and antagonizes the followers of religions. It can make religious people stubbornly defensive against, and hostile to, not only people who committed the insulting, but also who are not followers of the religion in question.
 
Having said the above, I also think that the violent demonstrations against the video, especially targeting people who had nothing to do with the video, were wrong, and indicate a poor state of human development of the demonstrators. I am pleased that only a protest demonstration, with no violence, took place in Bangladesh due to this video.
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist



Does a cogent argument have to be defined by such man as you?

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Mr. Das is totally wrong with this Turkish woman issue. I have not seen any cogent argument from his side. Zero, Nada! Let's ignore this man for a while until he gets back his sanity.
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
Dr. Kamal Das, you should stop this nonsense. You are completely off-track with this topic. I understand you have read a book about sexual encounter. What I cannot understand is why you are considering that book as the final revelation on this matter. It will be insanity to say that this woman has tacit approval of being raped by this man multiple times. You should dump that book and snap out of this insanity. Why don't you take a break for a few days, and then come back to this forum.
I don't understand - why it is so difficult for you to understand that this lady belongs to a very conservative society, where a female rape victim needs 4 witnesses to prove her rape allegation. She knows that she can't prove the allegation. Do you understand what would have happened to her if she would go public and couldn't prove the allegation? She would either be humiliated in public or divorced or flogged in public or stoned to death based on how conservative the society is. My guess is - she may have threatened him a few times, but it did not stop the man. So, she went to the extreme. This man must have driven her to insanity; he has definitely ruined her life and her family. I congratulate her for her bravery.
Jiten Roy
 
 

--- On Sat, 9/15/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 8:54 PM

 
Normally a dissertation is just a little twist or an inch of advancement from what has been done in a particular field. And quite often, it is even less than that.

Getting back to the starting point of the Turkish woman who beheaded her multiple rapist.  What message would the rapist get, if the victim meets her assaulter repeatedly after the first incidence, or allows him to meet her?  That simple consideration is absent from a few self claimed wise man and one wise woman here.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
About a decade ago, there was a sensational news in American media. One student wrote a dissertation that was "read" by the members of the dissertation committee and the same earned him a Ph. D degree. It was later on found that that dissertation did not make any sense; it was simply full of complex concepts, equations, and cryptic language, and sounded like a very original work. This sensational news probably can still be read using google search. 
A Korean student I'm my school used right data but wrong program to end up with findings that did not make sense. His chair only sensed the mistake. The remaining members had the slightest idea about the topic. My friend got Ph. D. When I asked him why he was not trying to publish it. In reply he revealed what I have described above. He is now teaching in Korea. 
Every dissertation is not a dissertation that uncovers very fundamental truth. We may cite de Broglie or Amartya Sen. According to my friend who had a Ph. D from Pennstate that normally a dissertation is just a little twist or an inch of advancement from what has been done in a particular field. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
Needless to say that I have also published in many peer reviewed journals. So, I would not take your BS that the book is really peer reviewed like one that you are talking about. The author may have given it to his friends to look at it but that does not mean it was peer reviewed. That book is merely his/her opinion. Do you understand?

Do you know how scientific papers are anonymously reviewed by two to three referees? You can publish thousands books from your basement but that does not mean you are peer reviewed. Even a scientific review article is not peer reviewed. Most of the time, it is the editor, who looks through it and prints it for the public. It is never too late to learn some hard facts about scientific publication policy of our time! Books are not peer reviewed, period!


"The key finding in that book,  and elsewhere also, is that no male would sustain his erection without signal to trigger it from his counterpart. "

If you believe in such BS, tell me what methodology did he use? How these experiments were done? Just make my day Professor!!! I dare you that you would not be able find any methodology in that fictional book. Take my challenge!

-SD

 

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
I have given the key finding before, and you did not comprehend it.  Peer reviewed scientific study, may be better in your opinion, being foolish enough not to know that no book gets published without being reviewed by peers.  I have published a few scientific papers in the western world myself.  I don't need a lecture from any one like you on matters involving scientific mind who defends murder against rape.  The key finding in that book,  and elsewhere also, is that no male would sustain his erection without signal to trigger it from his counterpart.  Apparently, you don't even have the ability to search the relevant articles on the net, which is easier than looking for it elsewhere.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
A book of 100 or 1000 pages does not prove anything but a peer reviewed scientific study does. You sound like another Rahman or Hannan who rather carry a religious  book and find all their answers in that book. At least, they know all the words in that book. Do you see the problem?
It is a great shame that you can't even quote the key findings in that book. And, you call yourself a scientific mind?

You have a tendency to get into many discussions and throw some books for the forum people to read while you, yourself not knowing fully the contents of those books. Who would you like to impress with such shallow one or two liners?

-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:44 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
The book is a short one, would need a little over an hour to read, and is available on the net.  A point proved over hundred pages can not be presented by a few lines.  You seem to lack that comprehension.  You would not find me bright, may be because I am not so, and their might be other reasons too, like you have lost your eyesight if you ever had any.  Their are other observations by reputed authors on the subject of rape or sex(which by the way are very different subjects) between opposite genders.  A classic allegation was made by Julekha against Yusuf/Joseph.  Luckily he could present a shirt to prove that the lady was the real attacker.  Other accused are not so fortunate.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
"In this case, the 'victim' did not resort to any legal means, she silenced the 'predator' and does not deserve sympathy from any corner."

 Any legal means in a patriarchal country like Turkey, where rape is still a family shame and taboo? You have lost your mind. Besides, the lady might need four witnesses to testify about those rapes.
I do not know what kind of professor you are? I do not find you very bright.
If you want to cite some reference, cite some scientific findings and data. An opinion from some psychiatrist is not good enough. Besides, you are throwing a whole book for me to read and find me the answer. Why don't you exactly quote what this man has written? Tell me how he did his experiments? I do not think you are up to that task.
-SD


"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:12 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
"According to Prof. Das's theory, a second assault would make things totally kosher because the female victim probably initiates that encounter? All of a sudden a victim becomes a predator?"  This is a total misinterpretationIn this case, the 'victim' did not resort to any legal means, she silenced the 'predator' and does not deserve sympathy from any corner.  The real story in a rape case is rarely exposed.  Statistically, more 'rapes' are committed by acquaintances.  If the first few go unreported, the instigation factor can not be ignored.  It is apparent, whose argument is 'silly and stupid'.  If someone does not care a professional psychiatrist or a best seller book, it is his problem, and he should look for a graceful exit before even advising others to do so.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I think the bone of contention for this argument is whether a predator assaults his victims once or twice? According to Prof. Das's theory, a second assault would make things totally kosher because the female victim probably initiates that encounter? All of a sudden a victim becomes a predator? I think the argument is pretty silly and stupid!

-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist

 
This is what I think. Love-making between two lovers may get affected without female cooperation. This has to do with love and attraction for each other. When female does not cooperate, love and attraction disappear from the scene, and male feels rejection, which may affect his psyche. But, it will not be applicable to a rape, where the male attacker is mentally in a different state of mind; he is looking for sex, nothing else.
 
Jiten Roy
 

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 11:28 AM

 
Do you think I care who is professor and who is not? Some professorial positions/names do not cut with me, bro  Please put some solid data to prove your point if you care.  Show us some rape simulation data regarding what hormones or chemicals are being induced or secreted from the victims' brains in comparison to a normal intercourse. If you can't, please take a graceful exit from this discussion.
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

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