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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.



The idiot is even writing history on the BNP model.  His hero, Major Zia remained a minor sector commander all along.  Had he not been saved by Tajuddin, Osmany would have tried him for treason.

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On Apr 28, 2014, at 3:13 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:

 

Who is this blinking idiot by the name Shahadat Suhrawardy? How does this idiot dare to write anything, let alone in English, when his brain is totally dysfunctional? Before this guy writes anything in future, he should go back to a primary school to learn English from the very basic.

- AR   


From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 27 April 2014, 10:06
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.

 
Such god damned faulty English!

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 26, 2014, at 6:05 AM, Bongo Bhumi <bongobhumi@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
Who are 2 faced we all know, a Jamati in disguise of BNP, another JP in the disguise of
awami.
I am telling Zia himself never harp on the claim he deserve for most credit Independence,
he     wouldn't stoop that level. He was a sharp and unassuming character who was who was
born in the wrong country and at right time for us. He was forced to legitimize Jamat only
after a promise from Kuwait of big loan for drilling in bay of bengal but that loan never
came through. It was Jamat and awami celebrated the killing at circuit house, it 1986 awami conspired to destroy BNP at behest of RAW and JP.
Liberation was not a one man show, Zia knew more than anybody else. When mujib body laying
on stairway it was Zia who ordered army to arrange a helicopter to carry muji and his wife
for respectable burial in their village. All the ungrateful awamis will notappreciate
they left the bodies to rot for 8 hours.Most of awamis are in there for money, like wise
most of BNP are. Zia's one of the best friend was a hindu, they were golf buddies, so all
those in BNP are hindu hater are in the wrong party.
   As to  SD spreading rumor about khaled's service I will say he either lost mind or has
   some kind sexual frustration or he has low opinion of women who were very close
   him. Similar accusation were made regarding Hasina involving Eershad and Shamim
   osmans elder brother in eighties. Why SD took a low road is beyond me, I call theses
   smearing  low class village politics, I hope he realize his mistake.
   Language  movement put the first seed of liberation movement. Since then many things
   transpired without any of these liberation would still had happened but on different
   trajectory.
   Even Ispahani had a role but for not so obvious reason. In 1960 when gave Ayub
   gave Adamjee and Bawani very favorable financing  in then E Pak but that didn't
   extend the same to him, it didn't sit  well with him. So He decided to support  Bangla
   nationalist movement. Though his  son did schooling in urdu, english and not Bangla
   he was a early founding member of chynaut bangla musical school in azimpur, dhaka.
   He also initial support for Holiday weekly and had bank rolled top Awamis so  the don't
    have to work for living. Rohan soban  the economist and
   ghaur Rizvi dad was on also on his pay roll. We all know what role these guy played
   leading upto the 71.
   If you can appreciate Zia or fighting for muki jodho why not do same for indian
   soldiers fought on same side and vice versus . Hating indian or paki doesn't make one
   patriotic only smell like tikka khan or modi.
   Fajdurhat is raws RAW recuiting ground, Ghaur Rizvi is leading the efforts. He should
   be under FBI scanner for working with RAW (India) in US. He Bangladeshi citizenship
   gives a cover for his RAW role.
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:26 PM, Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. or Ms. I do not know who you are but you smell like Shah Deeldar. May be you and the Deeldar are two faces of the same coin. 
You misconstrue the argument. Argument was not about strategy. Argument is about facts. Mujib said "I will be termed as traitor, I can not announce declaration of independence". We all are talking about dishonesty on the part of Awami psychophants, who contend that Sheikh in fact did announce independence just before his arrest (they not only say untrue, but they made it through Court a stupid judgement, because they can not trust on their own fabricated version). The fabrication of stories on declaration is in fact a punishable offense. If the strategy was to save people.  Lets stick to it, period.
In Dhaka, that day (26th of March) at least 6000 people were brutally killed by the Butcher Tikka which included many babies. Once again, I emphasize on the word babies. 
You are right that "I tends to believe without the revolt by army, police and EPR on set of liberation war
it didn't any chance of success". To galvanize freedom fighting, a declaration was needed and that declaration came from an unknown but brave Major. That has to be recognized, wheather he claims that or not. That's all. There were many political majors present at that time including Tajuddin Ahmed but they all became minor in front of that unknown Major.

Shahadat Suhrawardy



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[mukto-mona] Saudi king’s daughter calls for uprising against regime



Saudi king's daughter calls for uprising against regime

                         News Desk,  bdnews24.com

Published: 2014-04-28 00:57:46.0 BdST Updated: 2014-04-28 00:57:46.0 BdST

Photo: Al Manar News

http://bdnews24.com/world/2014/04/28/saudi-kings-daughter-calls-for-uprising-against-regime


বন্দি রাজকন্যার বিদ্রোহের ডাক

রাজতন্ত্রের বিরুদ্ধে জেগে ওঠার জন্য সৌদি জনগণের প্রতি আহ্বান জানিয়েছেন সৌদি আরবের বাদশাহ আবদুল্লাহর গৃহবন্দি মেয়ে সাহার।

http://bangla.bdnews24.com/world/article778913.bdnews

King Abdullah's Daughter Calls for Uprising in Saudi Arabia





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[mukto-mona] Fw: জিয়া ছিল পাকিস্থানের বেতনভুক্ত আর্মি/সৈনিক !!!!!!



On Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:08 PM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:
 জিয়া ছিল পাকিস্থানের বেতনভুক্ত আর্মি/সৈনিক। সে বাংলাদেশে (তৎকালীন পূর্ব পাকিস্থান) এসেছিল, পাকিস্থানের ২ লক্ষ সৈনিকের সঙ্গে বাংলাদেশের গণঅভুরথানকে দমন করার জন্য। সে হঠাত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা, কারন সে বাংলাদেশের পক্ষ নিয়ে যুদ্ধ করার উদ্দেশ্যে বাংলাদেশে আসে নি।সে এসছিল পাকিস্থানিদের হয়ে কাজ করার জন্য। কালুর ঘাটের অস্ত্র হালাসের দায়িত্ব তাকে দেয়া হয়েছিলো যে অস্ত্র পাকিস্থান থেকে এসেছিল বাঙালীদের মারার জন্য। সে ২৭ শে মার্চ ১৯৭১ সালে বঙ্গবন্ধুর পক্ষে, বঙ্গবন্ধুর স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা পাঠ করেছিল মাত্র। সে ছিল পাঠক ঘোষক নয়। আর রাষ্ট্রপতি সেটাতো ছিল তার কল্পনারও বাইরে।





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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.



Who is this blinking idiot by the name Shahadat Suhrawardy? How does this idiot dare to write anything, let alone in English, when his brain is totally dysfunctional? Before this guy writes anything in future, he should go back to a primary school to learn English from the very basic.

- AR   


From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 27 April 2014, 10:06
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.

 
Such god damned faulty English!

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 26, 2014, at 6:05 AM, Bongo Bhumi <bongobhumi@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
Who are 2 faced we all know, a Jamati in disguise of BNP, another JP in the disguise of
awami.
I am telling Zia himself never harp on the claim he deserve for most credit Independence,
he     wouldn't stoop that level. He was a sharp and unassuming character who was who was
born in the wrong country and at right time for us. He was forced to legitimize Jamat only
after a promise from Kuwait of big loan for drilling in bay of bengal but that loan never
came through. It was Jamat and awami celebrated the killing at circuit house, it 1986 awami conspired to destroy BNP at behest of RAW and JP.
Liberation was not a one man show, Zia knew more than anybody else. When mujib body laying
on stairway it was Zia who ordered army to arrange a helicopter to carry muji and his wife
for respectable burial in their village. All the ungrateful awamis will notappreciate
they left the bodies to rot for 8 hours.Most of awamis are in there for money, like wise
most of BNP are. Zia's one of the best friend was a hindu, they were golf buddies, so all
those in BNP are hindu hater are in the wrong party.
   As to  SD spreading rumor about khaled's service I will say he either lost mind or has
   some kind sexual frustration or he has low opinion of women who were very close
   him. Similar accusation were made regarding Hasina involving Eershad and Shamim
   osmans elder brother in eighties. Why SD took a low road is beyond me, I call theses
   smearing  low class village politics, I hope he realize his mistake.
   Language  movement put the first seed of liberation movement. Since then many things
   transpired without any of these liberation would still had happened but on different
   trajectory.
   Even Ispahani had a role but for not so obvious reason. In 1960 when gave Ayub
   gave Adamjee and Bawani very favorable financing  in then E Pak but that didn't
   extend the same to him, it didn't sit  well with him. So He decided to support  Bangla
   nationalist movement. Though his  son did schooling in urdu, english and not Bangla
   he was a early founding member of chynaut bangla musical school in azimpur, dhaka.
   He also initial support for Holiday weekly and had bank rolled top Awamis so  the don't
    have to work for living. Rohan soban  the economist and
   ghaur Rizvi dad was on also on his pay roll. We all know what role these guy played
   leading upto the 71.
   If you can appreciate Zia or fighting for muki jodho why not do same for indian
   soldiers fought on same side and vice versus . Hating indian or paki doesn't make one
   patriotic only smell like tikka khan or modi.
   Fajdurhat is raws RAW recuiting ground, Ghaur Rizvi is leading the efforts. He should
   be under FBI scanner for working with RAW (India) in US. He Bangladeshi citizenship
   gives a cover for his RAW role.
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:26 PM, Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. or Ms. I do not know who you are but you smell like Shah Deeldar. May be you and the Deeldar are two faces of the same coin. 
You misconstrue the argument. Argument was not about strategy. Argument is about facts. Mujib said "I will be termed as traitor, I can not announce declaration of independence". We all are talking about dishonesty on the part of Awami psychophants, who contend that Sheikh in fact did announce independence just before his arrest (they not only say untrue, but they made it through Court a stupid judgement, because they can not trust on their own fabricated version). The fabrication of stories on declaration is in fact a punishable offense. If the strategy was to save people.  Lets stick to it, period.
In Dhaka, that day (26th of March) at least 6000 people were brutally killed by the Butcher Tikka which included many babies. Once again, I emphasize on the word babies. 
You are right that "I tends to believe without the revolt by army, police and EPR on set of liberation war
it didn't any chance of success". To galvanize freedom fighting, a declaration was needed and that declaration came from an unknown but brave Major. That has to be recognized, wheather he claims that or not. That's all. There were many political majors present at that time including Tajuddin Ahmed but they all became minor in front of that unknown Major.

Shahadat Suhrawardy

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:02:42 -0700
From: bongobhumi@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.
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 If leaving people defenseless and surrendering was part of the strategy for liberation war,
then those who are trying to defend or not finding faulting with the ground realities of
unfettered access for massacre should answer the question if "glory of leaders are more
important than lives the population, that includes toddler, and babies". Even Tajuddinn
strategy is in question, did he had any plan to defend the population, just signing declaration
would not had provided even any semblance of defense for population they were professing
to fight for. He was a honest man so are many of us and that should not absolves him of
responsibilities for putting unarmed civilian at fore font of the liberation. He is no less
incompetent for the role than Mujib was; I will call spade a spade when that is in the
conversation.


Now, I tends to believe without the revolt by army, police and EPR on set of liberation war
it didn't any chance of success but life of tens of thousand babies were guaranteed to perish
under most cruel circumstances. Trying to glamorize or avoid criticizing the politician is very
irresponsible on part of any true educated when this appropriate.

India got involved only when the revolt galvanize the liberation war and the gave the fight
the critical mass Indra need to side openly with mukti B, Bdeshi should be grateful to mukti
mukti bahini and indian soldier who lost their lives in that war. Judging population and
army by one standard and judging leaders of favorite political party with another standard
is not acceptable.

  The book by Ms Taj is a very welcome development and commend courage. 
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:43 AM, Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com> wrote:
What Sharmin said that is the truth, and only truth on Sheikh Mujib on the declaration part. We had been telling all along same thing. But the Cowards do not adhere to the facts.
The people who are fabricating and fabricated on telegram, telex, Boldha Garden, EPR, are all belong to devil's family. Sheikh knew, when he came back from Pakistan, with a Pakistani passport, that his sychophants has fabricated some ediotic stuffs that does not make any sense and relevancy with he was thinking of at that time. Therefore, Sheikh is a co'hort of the same idiotic propaganda his psycophants had been doing. He will be responsible for this in the History of Bangladesh for all time to come. That is the reason, he will not get as honor as he should get in annals of Bangladesh history (true). 1972-1975 actions will also get into considerations. 
 
Shahadat Suhrawardy 
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:51:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.
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No doubt Sharmeen Ahmed is an eloquent speaker with many great democratic thoughts. However, Bangladesh has never been an American Jeffersonian country if we do a quick reality check in regards to our educational quality or our no-love for democracy ( I mean it). The killings and cheating have been with us since the get go. Democracy is not some magic pill that can be force fed to our people and we reach for some nirvana status of a true Jeffersonian democracy. The points raised by Ms. Ahmed are very valid but who are our true democrats? People, who did not hesitate to kill their opponents when it suited them? At this point, our choice is no better than choosing between two devils, who are equally corrupt, dictatorial and murderous.

It is totally pointless to criticize Mujib for not signing the declaration of independence paper because it would not have changed any ground reality of that time. If anybody thinks he or she was braver than Mujib in their little hiding holes in 1971, I say, we had enough of such scoundrels and we need no more. A mere declaration would not have made Pakistanis and Razakars to lay down their weapons and head for their homeland. The war was fought and own by Muktis and Indian army.  An




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Re: [mukto-mona] আমি কেন ঈশ্বরে বিশ্বাস করি না? প্রবীর ঘোষের জবাব প্রসঙ্গে।



The ancient monotheism was created by men on the Sun god concept.  With the appearance of Sun, all the luminaries of night vanished.  So, Sun conceived by the morning star Adity(Mother Mary in Christian parlance) was God and stars borne by the evening star Dity(Mary Magdalene) were the demons.  All religions are geocentric.  In the post Galilean Universe, centre has fallen off, but religions and other primitive concepts live on mostly in the uncultured mind of the third and impoverished world. 

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On Apr 27, 2014, at 2:33 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:

 

People always start from the premises that God or Allah does exist and then the onus falls on somebody who does not believe in that assertion to prove that God does not exist. Is it not a perverse logic? The onus must be on that person or persons who claim, in the first place, that God exists to prove that he is telling the truth. In response to this demand, what does that person do to prove his assertion? He comes back again with a convoluted logic. He claims that if God does not exist, who gives rain on earth, who created man, who created earth etc? 

To get these things, there is no need for any being to exist - natural or artificial - and these things evolve by themselves and science can prove that. So the logic of the creationist that God exists is false and hence God does not exist. 

- Anis Rahman


From: Allahu Ahad <allahurabbee@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2014, 11:16
Subject: [mukto-mona] আমি কেন ঈশ্বরে বিশ্বাস করি না? প্রবীর ঘোষের জবাব প্রসঙ্গে।

 
আমি কেন ঈশ্বরে বিশ্বাস করি না? প্রবীর ঘোষের জবাব প্রসঙ্গে।

অধ্যায় ঃ ঈশ্বর বিশ্বাস ঃ কিছু বেয়াড়া আটপৌরে প্রশ্ন

কারণ ঃ চার

প্রমাণ করতে পারেন, ঈশ্বর নেই? এই প্রশ্নের উত্তরে প্রবীর ঘোষ ভাঁড়ের মত জোড়া পায়ে তিনবার লাফিয়ে তিন ইঞ্চি লম্বা হবার গল্প ফেঁদে, প্রশ্নের উত্তর না দিয়ে উল্টো একটি প্রশ্ন ছুঁড়ে অত্যন্ত চালাকীর সাথে এড়িয়ে গেছেন। প্রশ্নটি হল- "আপনি প্রমাণ করতে পারবেন- আমি মাঝে-মধ্যে তিন লাফে তিন ইঞ্চি লম্বা হই না?" এই প্রশ্নটি ছুঁড়ে এটাই প্রমাণ করেছেন যে, "তার মাঝে-মধ্যে তিন লাফে তিন ইঞ্চি লম্বা হওয়াটা যেমন উদ্ভট, অসম্ভব ঠিক তেমনিভাবে 'প্রমাণ করতে পারেন, ঈশ্বর নেই? এই দাবিটাও উদ্ভট ও অসম্ভব।"

তিনি জোড়া পায়ে তিনবার লাফিয়ে এটাই প্রমাণ করলেন যে, দাবীটা যার মূলতঃ তাকেই সেই দাবীর পক্ষে তার যথার্থতা প্রমাণ করতে হয়। আমি তার এই কথার সাথে একমত বটে।
 
'স্রষ্টা আছেন' এই কথাটি দ্বারা আমরা কখনো দাবী করার অর্থে বুঝাই না, আমরা যা বুঝাই তা মূলতঃ পানির তৃষ্ণা, ভয় পাওয়া, বিপরীত লিঙ্গের প্রতি আকর্ষণ, খাদ্যগ্রহণ ও আঘাত করলে ব্যাথা অনুভূত হওয়া যেমন স্বভাবজাত, ঠিক তেমনিভাবে স্রষ্টার ব্যাপারটিও স্বভাবজাত। পানি পান করা, যৌনতা, খাদ্যগ্রহণ, আঘাত লাগলে ব্যাথ্যা অনুভূত হওয়া ইত্যাদি আসলে এগুলো দাবী করার বিষয় নয়। কারণ এগুলো জন্মগত/সৃষ্টিগতভাবেই আমাদের মাঝে বিদ্যমান, ঠিক তেমনিভাবে স্রষ্টাও। আসলে 'স্রষ্টা আছেন' এই দাবী আমরা কখনই করিনি বরং আমরা সৃস্টিগত/জন্মগতভাবেই তাঁকে ধারণ করে আছি। প্রশ্ন করতে পারেন কিভাবে?

(১)    মানুষ একটি দূর্বল প্রাণী তাই কোন না কোন অবলম্বন ধরে টিকে থাকাটা মানুষের স্বভাব।
(২)    মানুষ তার চেয়ে বড়, শক্তিশালী কোন কিছুকে বুঝতে পারলে তার দিকে ঝুঁকে পড়া বা তার প্রতি আগ্রহী হওয়া, শ্রদ্ধা-সম্মান বা আনুগত্য করার স্বভাব বিদ্যমান।
(৩)    ঐ শক্তিশালী স্বত্ত্বার কাছে কোন কিছু চাইলে তিনি যখন সেটা দেন।

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.



Such god damned faulty English!

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 26, 2014, at 6:05 AM, Bongo Bhumi <bongobhumi@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Who are 2 faced we all know, a Jamati in disguise of BNP, another JP in the disguise of
awami.
I am telling Zia himself never harp on the claim he deserve for most credit Independence,
he     wouldn't stoop that level. He was a sharp and unassuming character who was who was
born in the wrong country and at right time for us. He was forced to legitimize Jamat only
after a promise from Kuwait of big loan for drilling in bay of bengal but that loan never
came through. It was Jamat and awami celebrated the killing at circuit house, it 1986 awami conspired to destroy BNP at behest of RAW and JP.
Liberation was not a one man show, Zia knew more than anybody else. When mujib body laying
on stairway it was Zia who ordered army to arrange a helicopter to carry muji and his wife
for respectable burial in their village. All the ungrateful awamis will notappreciate
they left the bodies to rot for 8 hours.Most of awamis are in there for money, like wise
most of BNP are. Zia's one of the best friend was a hindu, they were golf buddies, so all
those in BNP are hindu hater are in the wrong party.
   As to  SD spreading rumor about khaled's service I will say he either lost mind or has
   some kind sexual frustration or he has low opinion of women who were very close
   him. Similar accusation were made regarding Hasina involving Eershad and Shamim
   osmans elder brother in eighties. Why SD took a low road is beyond me, I call theses
   smearing  low class village politics, I hope he realize his mistake.
   Language  movement put the first seed of liberation movement. Since then many things
   transpired without any of these liberation would still had happened but on different
   trajectory.
   Even Ispahani had a role but for not so obvious reason. In 1960 when gave Ayub
   gave Adamjee and Bawani very favorable financing  in then E Pak but that didn't
   extend the same to him, it didn't sit  well with him. So He decided to support  Bangla
   nationalist movement. Though his  son did schooling in urdu, english and not Bangla
   he was a early founding member of chynaut bangla musical school in azimpur, dhaka.
   He also initial support for Holiday weekly and had bank rolled top Awamis so  the don't
    have to work for living. Rohan soban  the economist and
   ghaur Rizvi dad was on also on his pay roll. We all know what role these guy played
   leading upto the 71.
   If you can appreciate Zia or fighting for muki jodho why not do same for indian
   soldiers fought on same side and vice versus . Hating indian or paki doesn't make one
   patriotic only smell like tikka khan or modi.
   Fajdurhat is raws RAW recuiting ground, Ghaur Rizvi is leading the efforts. He should
   be under FBI scanner for working with RAW (India) in US. He Bangladeshi citizenship
   gives a cover for his RAW role.
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:26 PM, Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. or Ms. I do not know who you are but you smell like Shah Deeldar. May be you and the Deeldar are two faces of the same coin. 
You misconstrue the argument. Argument was not about strategy. Argument is about facts. Mujib said "I will be termed as traitor, I can not announce declaration of independence". We all are talking about dishonesty on the part of Awami psychophants, who contend that Sheikh in fact did announce independence just before his arrest (they not only say untrue, but they made it through Court a stupid judgement, because they can not trust on their own fabricated version). The fabrication of stories on declaration is in fact a punishable offense. If the strategy was to save people.  Lets stick to it, period.
In Dhaka, that day (26th of March) at least 6000 people were brutally killed by the Butcher Tikka which included many babies. Once again, I emphasize on the word babies. 
You are right that "I tends to believe without the revolt by army, police and EPR on set of liberation war
it didn't any chance of success". To galvanize freedom fighting, a declaration was needed and that declaration came from an unknown but brave Major. That has to be recognized, wheather he claims that or not. That's all. There were many political majors present at that time including Tajuddin Ahmed but they all became minor in front of that unknown Major.

Shahadat Suhrawardy

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:02:42 -0700
From: bongobhumi@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.
To: shahadathussaini@hotmail.com; shahdeeldar@gmail.com; apurba01@gmail.com
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 If leaving people defenseless and surrendering was part of the strategy for liberation war,
then those who are trying to defend or not finding faulting with the ground realities of
unfettered access for massacre should answer the question if "glory of leaders are more
important than lives the population, that includes toddler, and babies". Even Tajuddinn
strategy is in question, did he had any plan to defend the population, just signing declaration
would not had provided even any semblance of defense for population they were professing
to fight for. He was a honest man so are many of us and that should not absolves him of
responsibilities for putting unarmed civilian at fore font of the liberation. He is no less
incompetent for the role than Mujib was; I will call spade a spade when that is in the
conversation.


Now, I tends to believe without the revolt by army, police and EPR on set of liberation war
it didn't any chance of success but life of tens of thousand babies were guaranteed to perish
under most cruel circumstances. Trying to glamorize or avoid criticizing the politician is very
irresponsible on part of any true educated when this appropriate.

India got involved only when the revolt galvanize the liberation war and the gave the fight
the critical mass Indra need to side openly with mukti B, Bdeshi should be grateful to mukti
mukti bahini and indian soldier who lost their lives in that war. Judging population and
army by one standard and judging leaders of favorite political party with another standard
is not acceptable.

  The book by Ms Taj is a very welcome development and commend courage. 
On Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:43 AM, Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com> wrote:
What Sharmin said that is the truth, and only truth on Sheikh Mujib on the declaration part. We had been telling all along same thing. But the Cowards do not adhere to the facts.
The people who are fabricating and fabricated on telegram, telex, Boldha Garden, EPR, are all belong to devil's family. Sheikh knew, when he came back from Pakistan, with a Pakistani passport, that his sychophants has fabricated some ediotic stuffs that does not make any sense and relevancy with he was thinking of at that time. Therefore, Sheikh is a co'hort of the same idiotic propaganda his psycophants had been doing. He will be responsible for this in the History of Bangladesh for all time to come. That is the reason, he will not get as honor as he should get in annals of Bangladesh history (true). 1972-1975 actions will also get into considerations. 
 
Shahadat Suhrawardy 
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:51:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Must Read --- heart broken with the the true story of how coward was our Jaatir PITA-- bongo bondhu.
From: shahdeeldar@gmail.com
To: apurba01@gmail.com
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No doubt Sharmeen Ahmed is an eloquent speaker with many great democratic thoughts. However, Bangladesh has never been an American Jeffersonian country if we do a quick reality check in regards to our educational quality or our no-love for democracy ( I mean it). The killings and cheating have been with us since the get go. Democracy is not some magic pill that can be force fed to our people and we reach for some nirvana status of a true Jeffersonian democracy. The points raised by Ms. Ahmed are very valid but who are our true democrats? People, who did not hesitate to kill their opponents when it suited them? At this point, our choice is no better than choosing between two devils, who are equally corrupt, dictatorial and murderous.

It is totally pointless to criticize Mujib for not signing the declaration of independence paper because it would not have changed any ground reality of that time. If anybody thinks he or she was braver than Mujib in their little hiding holes in 1971, I say, we had enough of such scoundrels and we need no more. A mere declaration would not have made Pakistanis and Razakars to lay down their weapons and head for their homeland. The war was fought and own by Muktis and Indian army.  An


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