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[ALOCHONA] Digital economy: Tk-1.24b borrowed daily in first 120 days of FY 2011-12



Govt on bank borrowing spree: Tk-1.24b borrowed daily in first 120 days of FY 2011-12



The government borrowed an unprecedented amount of Tk 1.24 billion a day from the banking channel on average during the first 120 days of the current fiscal year due mainly to the diminishing foreign aid inflow.According to Bangladesh Bank record, the government borrowed Tk 149.05 billion in July to October of FY2011-12.

Although the amount of government's average daily bank borrowing was around Tk 1.00 billion in the first quarter of the current fiscal year, it jumped by more than 60 per cent as around Tk 50 billion was borrowed in October alone.

In the process, the government has already availed of more than two-thirds of its projected annual bank borrowing of Tk 189.57 billion. Moreover, almost half of the borrowed amount in the first four months of FY2012, or Tk 78.87 billion, was taken from the central bank and the rest from commercial banks.BB officials attributed the unprecedented amount of borrowing to a hike in the government's public spending amid a declining trend in foreign loan inflow.

The country in the first quarter of FY2012 received only $246.2 million from multilateral and bilateral lenders but had to pay them $171.8 million back in debt servicing.Experts said the poor situation of foreign loan inflow might not improve in the coming months as the disbursement of funds for the Padma Multipurpose Bridge project was now facing a suspension.Besides, the annual meeting of the Bangladesh Development Forum has been deferred, indicating uncomfortable relations between the lenders and the government, they pointed out.

Bangladesh Institute of Development Studies executive director MK Mujeri told New Age that excessive bank borrowing by the government spelt further price hike of essential commodities.The monthly inflation rate on consumer price index rose close to 12 per cent in September, the second highest in South Asia, just behind Pakistan. Any further price hike only means yet more sufferings for the people of low and fixed income groups.

Referring to the BB providing half of the government's bank borrowing in the July-October period, MK Mujeri, a former central bank chief economist, termed it bad as the central bank simply printed the money and handed it to the government.He said, 'It will cause fiscal indiscipline and devalue the local currency against major currencies like US dollar and euro.'Besides, it will affect the credit growth to the private sector, the main driving force of the economy, he added.

Economist Debapriya Bhattacharya of the Centre for Policy Dialogue suggested that the government should intensify its effort to get budgetary support from multilateral lenders to overcome the current situation.The government, in the current national budget, projected to receive $600 million from the World Bank and $300 million from the International Monetary Fund as budgetary and balance of payment support. But, the progress made so far towards striking loan agreements with the multilateral lending agencies is insignificant.Debapriya said, without the budgetary and BoP assistance, it would be pretty hard for the government to keep its bank borrowing within the annual projection.

http://newagebd.com/newspaper1/business/39788.html



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[ALOCHONA] A Double PhD about Shamim Osman



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From: Quazi Abdullah Ibn Masud <taskin_abd@yahoo.com>
Date: 10 November 2011 14:31:05 GMT
To: "chottala@yahoogroups.com" <chottala@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Fw: Double PhD about Shamim Osman
Reply-To: chottala@yahoogroups.com

 

Mr. Anisur Rahman,
It is asinine of you to think that the politicians like Mr. shmaim Osman can change. You may have never lived in Bangladesh during 1996-2001. You do not understand how ruthless men like Shamim Osman, Joynal Hazari and Abu Taher can be. So do not credit him  as a"good person".
P.S.: Please, please, please do not claim to be a "Progressive Muslim" and impose authority on people who dwell on the fundamentals of faith. If you ahte Islamic values, say you are an atheist. If you have converted growl that you an "Ex-Muslim." If you do not pray five times a day, do not fast during ramadhan, but pride on saying that "Islam is in my culture," say you are a believer but a Fasikh (a transgressor), (because a Muslim means person who obeys the commandments of God, and that is disobedience).And why are some words used with a double standard for Muslims? Fundamentalist Christians: Believe the Bible to be the word of God. Fundamentalist Muslims: blow up bombs(!!!) A fundamentalist is person who practices upon the fundamentals of his/ her field/ ideology. That can be scientist, mathematician, journalist,...


From: Desh Bondhu <desh_bondhu@ymail.com>
To: YG Khabor <khabor@yahoogroups.com>; YG Chottala <chottala@yahoogroups.com>; YG Sonar Bangladesh <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>; YG Alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>; YG Ovimot <ovimot@yahoogroups.com>; YG Dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; YG Notun_Bangladesh <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:45 AM
Subject: [chottala.com] Fw: Double PhD about Shamim Osman

 

Terrorist and Mafia Godfather Shamim Osman compares himself to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)



কর্মীসভায় শামীম ওসমানের বক্তব্য


Recap- Interpol's wanted terrorist Shamim Osman attacks MP Kabori

20110620 NTV AL Sarah Begum Kabori About Samim Osman violence


Digital Shamim and analogue double PhD 



I read from some newspapers about Mr. Shamim Osman. It seems to me he is a gentleman and not a godfather. Maybe past times he made some mistakes but you should not always count people‚Äö√Ñ√¥s past. What he is now is more important. Majority people did not vote him that is different issue. A good people easily can defeat in election. But it is much more important to be a good human being rather than to be a big leader. Thanks and regards.

Dr. Md. Anisur RahmanDouble MSc, PhD
 

‘হুমকি-ধমকি যদি কেউ দিয়ে থাকে, আমারে কইবেন। আপনাদের কিচ্ছু করতে হইব না। রাতের বেলায় ঘরে গিয়ে হুমকির জবাব দিয়ে আসব। কাউরে যাইতে হইব না। প্রতিটা বাড়িত বাড়িত গিয়ে আমি হুমকি দিয়া আসব। জবাব চামু। ভাই, হুমকি কেন দিচ্ছ? ওই কাজটা আমি ভালো পারি। শুধু পাঞ্জাবি বদলাইয়া জিনসের প্যান্টটা পরতে হইব। আর আমরা যদি জিগাইতে যাই, তাইলে শহরে কেউ থাকব না। আমরা সাচ্চা আওয়ামী লীগার। ক্ষমতায় এখনো আওয়ামী লীগ আছে। শেখ হাসিনা প্রধানমন্ত্রী, খালেদা জিয়া নাইক্কা। বদলাই হালামু সবকিছু উল্টাইয়া।’

‘নেত্রী আমাকে বলেছেন, কসম আল্লাহর বলছি, উনি বলছেন আমারে যে, “আমি কারও কাছে এত কৃতজ্ঞ হইনি জীবনে, যেটুক কৃতজ্ঞ তুমি আমাকে করেছ”, এক্কেবারে আইভীর সামনেই বলছে যে, “তুমি যে ধৈর্য দেখাইছ। আমি জানি, তুমি ১০ মিনিটের মধ্যে সকল ভোটকেন্দ্র দখল করতে পারতা। নির্বাচন বন্ধ করাইতে পারতা। বিএনপি বয়কট করার পর তোমার আর নির্বাচন করার কথা ছিল না। কারণ আমি দাঁড়াইলেও হয়তো বিএনপির দুই-একটা ভোট পাব। কিন্তু তুমি একটাও পাইবা না। তার পরও তুমি নির্বাচনে ছিলা ক্যান? যে নির্বাচনটা হোক। এত কিছুর পরও তুমি নির্বাচন করায় তোমার ইমেজ ভালো হয়েছে। আমারও ইমেজ ভালো হইছে, সারা পৃথিবীর কাছে আমি কইতে পারুম, দেখো, নির্বাচন ক্যামনে করতে হয় তা আমি দেখাই দিলাম।”


Desh-Bondhu,
'Desher Kotha Bolay'

Begin forwarded message:

From: Md Anisur Rahman <mdan_ra@yahoo.com>
Date: 2 November 2011 07:56:02 GMT
To: progressive-muslim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [chottala.com] Re: [Progressive-Muslim] Re: [shonar-bangla] ‡¶Ü‡¶á‡¶≠‡ßć¶∞ ‡¶ú‡¶Ø‡¶º  ‡¶∂‡¶æ‡¶Æ‡ßć¶Æ‡ßᇶ∞ ‡¶≠‡¶∞√π 4;‡¶°‡ßҶ¨‡¶ø
Reply-To: chottala@yahoogroups.com

 
I read from some newspapers about Mr. Shamim Osman. It seems to me he is a gentleman and not a godfather. Maybe past times he made some mistakes but you should not always count people’s past. What he is now is more important. Majority people did not vote him that is different issue. A good people easily can defeat in election. But it is much more important to be a good human being rather than to be a big leader. Thanks and regards.

Dr. Md. Anisur Rahman, Double MSc, PhD
 


--- On Mon, 10/31/11, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Subject: [Progressive-Muslim] Re: [shonar-bangla] &#2438;&#2439;&#2477;&#2496;&#2480; &#2460;&#2527; &#2486;&#2494;&#2478;&#2496;&#2478;&#2503;&#2480; &#2477;&#2480;&#249 4;&#2465;&#2497;&#2476;&#2495;
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Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 12:54 PM

 
Sheikh Hasina's support for so called Godfathers still going strong. But for now she will rethink about  supporting them again. It was  Sheikh Hasina's sole decision to support the  well known Godfather. She could have resolved this issue . Everybody know that BNP/Jamat vote went to peoples candidate Dr. Ivy not to Awami nominee Godfather Shamim Osman.Netri refused nomination to winning candidate Dr. Ivy so she is not represented by ruling party nor claimes as an Awami Leaguer. She received support from all opposition supporteres., and she has to protect the interest of all political parties not only Awami Leagues..
Current Prime Minister did the same mistake like her father refused nomination to Ali Ahmed Chunka.
Netri now learned lesson ahd will act aqccordingly.
The milliion dollar question is if BNP nominee Taimus was in the race, who could have won the election ?
There is no definitive answerr to that question?
We have to wait and see what BNP and Awami League gained in N'Gong election, It's still early to say for sure who's the winner .
But government  showed us that it';s government decision to deploy any law enforcers be it Army or RAB or Police, it's not the decision of the Election Commission. EC has to work according to the wishe of the  government(Prime Minister).
 
 
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Subject: Re: [shonar-bangla] আইভীর জয় শামীমের ভরাডুবি
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:01:32 +0400

Top two (in votes) Mayor candidates (Ivy & Shamim) are Awami Leaguer
Many Awami Leaguer Councillor also elected
  
On the other hand 
 
 
It was ultimate & utter political failure for of Jamat-BNP 
 
Both in short term and also in long term!!! 
 
 
  
Other than win of a Awami Leaguer as NCC Mayor and Councillor
   
There were many definitive political win of
Awami League, on many vital aspects
 
 
Like
 
 
 (1) Successful introduction and application of EVM,
 
(2) Proof of possibilty of fair & free & peaceful election
under the political government of Awami League
 
(Defeat of main govt blessed candidate)
 
(3) Fair & free & peaceful election is possible without Army
 
(Opposition BNP candidate, Adv. Toimur also admitted this)
 
(Virtually there were no serious or big incidents) 
 
So, it was definitive political win of Awami League
 
 
Mr. Taimur is another BOLI of Khaleda Zia like Major Hafiz:
 
From the very beginning of the NCC election process BNP nominated candidate Mr. Taimur repeatedly told to media that, he will remain and contest in NCC election, in all circumstances.
 
Only his death can prevent him from not contesting in NCC election.
 
This is sure; Mr. Toimur has not died physically by this forced decision of BNP and Khaleda (See the helpless crying picture of Toimur in front of media)
 
But he has died politically, like Major Hafiz (A BNP SONGSKAR BADEE Leader and who uttered bad (but facts) word against Khaleda in parliament of 1991-1996) that is why he is crying so helplessly!
 
His 4 opponents in local Narayangonj BNP politics are very very happy!
 
Another typical lie of Jamat-BNP:
 
It is proved again.
Politics of Jamat-BNP is full of lies!
 
From the very beginning of the NCC election process BNP nominated candidate Mr. Taimur repeatedly told to media that, he will remain and contest in NCC election, in all circumstances.
 
Only his death can prevent him from not contesting in NCC election.
 
BNP forces him to withdraw from the NCC election race for the following reasons:
 
¬¨‚àë         When they realized that BNP candidate would be in 3rd position, so they cannot gain anything politically, rather loss
¬¨‚àë         To defeat Awami league supported candidate, Mr. Shamim Osman, it will give some political gain to BNP
¬¨‚àë         To help rebel AL candidate Dr. Ivy to win easily, then Jamat-BNP will gain most - politically
 
 
But it was ultimate & utter political failure for of Jamat-BNP
 
 
Both in short term and also in long term!!!
 
 
 
 
 
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Abdul Mannan Azad <mannanazad@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
আইভীর জয় শামীমের ভরাডুবি
Plz follow the link:
M.A.Mannan AZAD



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"Sustha thakon, nirapade thakon ebong valo thakon"

Shuvechhante,

Shafiqur  Rahman Anu
Muscat, Sultanate of Oman


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[ALOCHONA] Gadhafi’s Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar



Gadhafi's Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar

It remains unclear exactly why or how the Gadhafi regime went from "a model" and an "important ally" to the next target for regime change in a period of just a few years. But after claims of "genocide" as the justification for NATO intervention were disputed by experts, several other theories have been floated.

Oil, of course, has been mentioned frequently — Libya is Africa's largest oil producer. But one possible reason in particular for Gadhafi's fall from grace has gained significant traction among analysts and segments of the non-Western media: central banking and the global monetary system.

According to more than a few observers, Gadhafi's plan to quit selling Libyan oil in U.S. dollars — demanding payment instead in gold-backed "dinars" (a single African currency made from gold) — was the real cause. The regime, sitting on massive amounts of gold, estimated at close to 150 tons, was also pushing other African and Middle Eastern governments to follow suit.

And it literally had the potential to bring down the dollar and the world monetary system by extension, according to analysts. French President Nicolas Sarkozy reportedly went so far as to call Libya a "threat" to the financial security of the world. The "Insiders" were apparently panicking over Gadhafi's plan.

"Any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world's central banks," noted financial analyst Anthony Wile, editor of the free market-oriented Daily Bell, in an interview with RT. "So yes, that would certainly be something that would cause his immediate dismissal and the need for other reasons to be brought forward [for] removing him from power."

According to Wile, Gadhafi's plan would have strengthened the whole continent of Africa in the eyes of economists backing sound money — not to mention investors. But it would have been especially devastating for the U.S. economy, the American dollar, and particularly the elite in charge of the system.

"The central banking Ponzi scheme requires an ever-increasing base of demand and the immediate silencing of those who would threaten its existence," Wile noted in a piece entitled "Gaddafi Planned Gold Dinar, Now Under Attack" earlier this year. "Perhaps that is what the hurry [was] in removing Gaddafi in particular and those who might have been sympathetic to his monetary idea."

Investor newsletters and commentaries have been buzzing for months with speculation about the link between Gadhafi's gold dinar and the NATO-backed overthrow of the Libyan regime. Conservative analysts pounced on the potential relationship, too.

"In 2009 — in his capacity as head of the African Union — Libya's Moammar Gadhafi had proposed that the economically crippled continent adopt the 'Gold Dinar,'" noted Ilana Mercer in an August opinion piece for WorldNetDaily. "I do not know if Col. Gadhafi continued to agitate for ditching the dollar and adopting the Gold Dinar — or if the Agitator from Chicago got wind of Gadhafi's (uncharacteristic) sanity about things monetary."   

But if Arab and African nations had begun adopting a gold-backed currency, it would have had major repercussions for debt-laden Western governments that would be far more significant than the purported "democratic" uprisings sweeping the region this year. And it would have spelled big trouble for the elite who benefit from "freshly counterfeited funny-money," Mercer pointed out.
 
"Had Gadhafi sparked a gold-driven monetary revolution, he would have done well for his own people, and for the world at large," she concluded. "A Gadhafi-driven gold revolution would have, however, imperiled the positions of central bankers and their political and media power-brokers."

Adding credence to the theory about why Gadhafi had to be overthrown, as The New American reported in March, was the rebels' odd decision to create a central bank to replace Gadhafi's state-owned monetary authority. The decision was broadcast to the world in the early weeks of the conflict.

In a statement describing a March 19 meeting, the rebel council announced, among other things, the creation of a new oil company. And more importantly: "Designation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi."

The creation of a new central bank, even more so than the new national oil regime, left analysts scratching their heads. "I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising," noted Robert Wenzel in an analysis for the Economic Policy Journal. "This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences," he added. Wenzel also noted that the uprising looked like a "major oil and money play, with the true disaffected rebels being used as puppets and cover" while the transfer of control over money and oil supplies takes place.

Other analysts, even in the mainstream press, were equally shocked. "Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power?" wondered CNBC senior editor John Carney. "It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era."

Similar scenarios involving the global monetary system — based on the U.S. dollar as a global reserve currency, backed by the fact that oil is traded in American money — have also been associated with other targets of the U.S. government. Some analysts even say a pattern is developing.

Iran, for example, is one of the few nations left in the world with a state-owned central bank. And Iraqi despot Saddam Hussein, once armed by the U.S. government to make war on Iran, was threatening to start selling oil in currencies other than the dollar just prior to the Bush administration's "regime change" mission.

While most of the establishment press in America has been silent on the issue of Gadhafi's gold dinar scheme, in Russia, China, and the global alternative media, the theory has exploded in popularity. Whether salvaging central banking and the corrupt global monetary system were truly among the reasons for Gadhafi's overthrow, however, may never be known for certain — at least not publicly.

Related articles:

Libya: Now What?


"Libyan Rebels" Create Central Bank, Oil Company


Brief History of Gadhafi & His Regime

U.S. Officials Celebrate Killing of Former Ally Gadhafi

Waking up to a World Currency

Al-Qaeda and NATO's Islamic Extremists Taking Over Libya

Fed Manipulations in the Crosshairs

http://thenewamerican.com/economy/markets-mainmenu-45/9743-gadhafis-gold-money-plan-would-have-devastated-dollar




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RE: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?



Mr Jiten Roy,

Thanks for your view points. Religion is a sensitive issue for those who believe in one. As such it should not be criticized in a manner that it makes the believer angry. So I agree with you that 'one should not throw stones at others if one is living in a glass house'. Let us not turn this Forum into a 'Hindu-Muslim Hate Forum'. We have seen the cruel effects of stoking this hate (Hindus versus Muslims in the Indian sub continent) during 1940s. Now we should not start it again, albeit through this (internet) media. You have the right to stick to your opinion that 'all religions are the same, and none of them are any good'. I for one, believe that religion is essential when answers to many questions cannot be given with the help of science. I hold the view that religions have turned many would be beasts into angels in our societies. When the fear of law, prisons, solitary confinements etc. does not deter, the fear of burning in hell for ever works. Thanks.

Mustafizur Rahman

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:29:11 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?

 

Mr. Mustafizur Rahman,
 
I knew that this is coming. That's why - about a month back, I asked a particular member of this forum not to quote from his religious scripture. My argument was that – if you bring your religion for discussion, others will criticize it, and you have to have the stomach for that situation. Many of you were upset and said that - he has the right to bring any topic for discussion in this forum. After all it is the Mukto-mona forum. Some opined that - I have no power to stop anything in this forum. You were all right. I have no power to stop anything.
 
My intention for this particular discussion thread was to discuss 'religion' in general, not a particular one. Someone introduced Islam into the discussion to show that Islam has solution for everything, and the cascade followed. Snce, I did not bring Islam into the discussion, you cannot say that I have targeted Islam. My personal opinion is – all religions are the same, and none of them are any good. I also do not like politics-with-religion, be that Islam or Hiduism or Christianity or any other religions. I hope - I have explained myself clearly. If not, let me know.
 
Again, I reiterate, do not bring your religion for discussion here if you cannot handle criticism of it. I sometime bring Hinduism into the discussion, an I am mature enough to handle the criticism.
 
Thank you.
 
Jiten Roy


From: MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com>
To: Mukto-mona Mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:47 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
Kamal Das, Jiten Roy etc,

Will you STOP taking advantage of this Forum and refrain from spreading your venom against Islam?

Mustafizur Rahman
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.comFrom: kamalctgu@gmail.comDate: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:07:31 +0600Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society? 
The core message was not convincing enough even to Abu Talib, the mentor and the protector of the prophet.  The mesage is to obtain 72 houries and 28 gillmans in the afterlife with an everlasting erection.  Even Ibn Sina wondered, how the prophet, being the intelligent man that he was, spread such rubbish.  Then he came up with his own intelligent solution!  Consider the intelligence of the average people of medieval times, and you have the answer.About the animal sacrifice, it is the practice in many cultures.  The poor animal dies to serve the religion.  In the primitive times, the first  child was to be sacrificed as an expiation to the cardinal sin from which every child is born.  Abraham himself was a butcher in the temple of Melech.  As he was not sure of his fatherhood of his children, given his age and inability to sire any during his life, he exiled Ismael and Hagar to Mecca, and took Isaac to sacrifice as burnt offering to Moloch.  But he changed his mind later and told the Canaanites that God intervened in the last moment.  Abraham was used to telling lies.  Earlier he passed Sarah as his sister to gain material advantages.  Animal sacrifice has been a common practice across the world. There was no cheaper way to feed people in feasts.  Cow sacrifice by Indian Muslims are intended only to anoy the local Hindus.  Such practice is not the Arabian norm.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:48 PM, sentu tikadar <sentu92003@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You are right these were acts of half educated idiots who do not understand the core message of Islam.
 
What is the core message ?

 What is the core message of Islam?
 
Tolerance to other Faiths? 
 
Deny others' Faiths and indirectly condemn others' Faiths five times a day? And  brain washing five times per day (like advertisement) later the uncivilised indisciplined Beduin forget  Mohammad ?  So much endeavour to be remembered by ppeople just like a politician sex maniac.
 
What is the teaching? Killing people who would not accept his Faith and used the women of the defeated people. Told something good in Mecca and the same thing told in a reversed way in Medina.  He had written( actually by other) a Book copied from other Book (Bible) because he knew he could not write a completely new  Book out of nothing.So he had taken the easiest and ready- made way. Just Copy and relate him with taht Book's men. So intelligent he was. 
 
Just see the Qurbani in Idd? How people can cut throat the cow which he garlanded with flowers? Giving flowers garland means showing respect to it? After showing respect and / or love it is cut. Desert culture has ruined us. It had divided us. It had killed us. It had made us animals from human. That's why Saudi never allows other to follow their religions in open? In Kashmir, In Pakistan, in Bangladesh , even in India (Deganga of West Bengal) temples' deities demolition is a noble job.
 
They don't feel any pity to that cow? In Pakistan some children stay night with the cow or goat putting flower garlands around its neck. In the morning that animal is cut throat? Height of cruelty !!!  This is the culture mid east had given to us. We borrowed the hard religion from desert while we were not the desert people. 
Is this the teaching of real Allah? Giving pain to a living being Allah feels happy? Don't believe that Allah who is biased. Allah is not a democratic fellow? So the believers of that Allah can not be democratic. That's why most of the Allah believers democratic country are failed country. Who will accept Allah he must be ruled with iron hand otherwise he will loose faiths. So many trics Mahammad had understood and apllied. A real dictator of 1400 years ago. 











     
 
 
--- On Thu, 11/10/11, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 5:47 AM
 
Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right these were acts of half educated idiots who do not understand the core message of Islam. However atheist people have done more murdering of innocents than any religious people. Stalin, Mao (Of china) etc done their part in killing anyone who had a different point of view.
-----Original Message-----From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:37 amSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?
From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
Respected all,
Atheists and secularists (who believe in naturalism and rationalism only and who deny role of religion in public life) are more menace to humanity, morality, civilization as history shows. Most of the wars including first and second great wars were waged by them.
Most of the people of religions are good people. Many of them are misguided by secular political leaders or some ignorant and aggressive religious bigots.
Religious people of all religions should fight these exploiters and stand for humanity, morality and social welfare.
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 6:42 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
 
@Nihar Singh:
 
The true religious people - who are they? Whether they bother anybody or not - is not the issue. The issue is how much is their contribution towards the advancement of the modern society? Are people, who take part in the communal riots or blowup innocent people in the name of religion, any less religious? You may think so - but they don't.
 
@Kamal Das:
The New Testaments does not contain many of the violent verses of the Old Testament means these are not absolute truth. This is the point I am trying to make.
 
Thanks.
 
 
From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?

 
Truely religious people dont disturb anyone. On the other hand atheists try to make everyone atheists. That is true menace. Look at darwin he made everyone think that they eveolved from apes. Many jokers believe this to be true.



--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
To: "Mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 7:12 PM
Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
I have been asking this question lately to myself. I tried to find the roles and contributions (I mean, real contributions) of religious people in the society that brought us here from the beginning of time. What I envisioned is that - religion played a very insignificant role towards our social, moral, and scientific developments in this world. Most of these developments are made by religiously indifferent people. The religious people mostly deal with and talk about things that are out of this world. As a result, many of these religious people are misfits and menaces in the society.
 
Many argue that religion builds our moral character, and we learn good and bad from religion, etc. etc. I, on the other hand, think – good and bad we learn from our ancestors, and from our own experiences; religion has nothing to do with it. You might ask where our ancestors learned them from, in the first place. They learned good and bad from their ancestors' experiences, so on, and so forth. Most Chinese do not have any religion. When I asked a Chinese man - how most people there learn about good and bad without religion, he told me - they learn them from their elders' wisdoms. That's right; our ancestors transferred their knowledge and wisdom to us. Therefore, I truly believe – this world would have been a much better place without religion. Religions have divided us into many sectarian hateful clans, which are constantly fighting with one another.
 
Many of us believe that religious doctrines and dogmas are heavenly absolute entities. They forget that - many of those doctrines, dogmas, and interpretations have already been modified from the original preaching during emancipation. For example, Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament, many Quranic interpretations have been changed, and many Vedic/Puranic practices and interpretations have been changed, etc., etc. That means - religious teachings and practices are subject to change with the time, which means they are not so heavenly endowments as we believe them to be. This is a critical point to remember. Those who think otherwise are the menaces in the society.
 
Jiten Roy



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