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[ALOCHONA] Bangladeshi woman tortured by BSF



Bangladeshi woman tortured by BSF



A Bangladeshi woman was chased, captured and tortured by Indian Border Security Force in Benapole border area yesterday.Witnesses said Halima Begum, 35, wife of late Mosharraf, of Dubdia village of Jhikargachha upazila, was bleeding profusely after the beating.

Fazlul Haque, commander of 26 Border Guard Bangladesh Battalion, Benapole check post, said BSF men beat Halima and left her in near senseless state yesterday afternoon at Petrapole opposite to the check post.

Local people later took her to a Benapole clinic.They alleged that Halima was near the Bangladesh-India railway line close to Benapole check post when a team of Petrapole BSF patrol team chased and caught her.The Indians dragged her deep into their territory and beat her, leaving her bruised and bleeding.Assuming that she had died of torture they left her at a secluded place in Petrapole, said locals.

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[mukto-mona] STOP HINDU BASHING / PART 2




I am in no way protecting killers irrespective of parties  but when people like you make it a communal issue saying some one is Hindu you are destroying the essential ideals of secularism . Pijush is incidentally a Hindu , he could be a Muslim too. RAW or for that matter ISI , they don't care about religious identity as far as the objectives are achieved. Why do you have to pin point that he is a Hindu , what if he was a Muslim . Was his crime lessened any way .

You didn't respond to my previous email properly where I said it was the Muslims killing both Muslims and Hindus in 1971 strongly supported and aided by the predecessors of Chhatro Shibir . Didn't we notice how Hindus were persecuted after 2001 election .

So please stop playing the nasty game of holding Hindus responsible for everything . Those days are gone . You must come out of oversimplifications like equating Hindus and India and RAW . Hindus in Bangladesh are our fellow citizens , they have the same right as we have ; they too sacrificed their lives for Bangladesh .

But the criminal is a criminal whether Pijush or Pervez , matters not . I hope you have understood my points that I am not in support of crime but I will only identify the criminals by their religion if they claim that they are committing these crimes for their religion . Like the Al Qaida has always claimed that they have been killing people for the sake of Islam . Hence we may safely call them Muslim Terorrist but we have not heard pijush claiming that he is killing for his religion.

Besides these individual Muslim and Hindu fundamentalism is the same thing and hence to me Matiur Rahman Nizami and Atal Behari Vajpayee are the faces of same ideology and hence they happened to meet secretly one willing to make India a Hindustan , the other reverting Bangladesh to Pakistan .

We must criticize both for using religion for politics and indeed for polluted tricks . You title Hindu ...... was a part of the polluted tricks .  I hope I have made you understand your deliberate error of judgments.

May Allah guide you to love his creations and not to spread hatred amongst mankind.

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: Stop Pretecting RAW agents in Bangladesh

Mr. Anis,
 
Why you refuse to condemn Pijush's of Bangladesh who openly use firearm to kill their political opponents. 
Why defending an accused criminal/killer.
Yes it matters killers  religious idintity, that's important too and may be helpful to find out the motive of the killing.
Do you support killings by  ruling party cadres, or you believe it's halal for ruling party cadres to kill their political opponents ?
If we identify the killers and their religiuous belief(Why Gatrodaho) why you saying this as communal behaviour ?
RAW has thousands of paid agents in Bangladesh and there is every possibility that Pijush might be one of them. Identifying those RAW
agents important for our national interesr and we must resiet them with all available legal means.
You like it or not RAW is currently honeymooning in Bangladesh, but defintely RAW's honeymoon won't continue indefinitely, I can assure you.
Thanks.


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Subject: STOP ANTI-HINDU PROPAGANDA
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:56:32 -0800 (PST)

Mr Anwar
 
Why do you have to sound so communal . What does it matter if the killer was a Hindu or a Muslim. Did not the Muslim Razakars and Al Badrs and their patron Pakistani Army killed millions of Bengalees in 1971 . Why don't you say thousands of Hindu women were raped  by the Muslims in 1971 ? We do not say this because we hate to identify a person  by his religion specially when religion was not the reason behind all killings .
 
We do deplore any killings strongly but we also remember how in early mid  80's Chhatro Shibir Cadre's chopped of hands of their political opponents , did their Wadu and said prayer in  victory. If that's what a religion is , better be not religious at all.
 

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: Hindu Chatro League Cadre Pijush was responsible for killing 2 Shibir workers, Will justice be done by Ha sina regime ?


Does Pijush work for RAW  ?

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To: undisclosed recipients: ;
Subject: [Ovimot] গুলিবর্ষনকারীর পরিচয়
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:37:14 +0000 (GMT)

 
 
অবশেষে চট্টগ্রাম বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে গুলিবর্ষনকারীর পরিচয় মিলেছে যার গুলিতে গতকাল খালি হয়েছে দু মায়ের কোল। বুটানীর ছাত্র চবি ছাত্রলীগের দুধর্ষ ক্যাডার পীযূস অত্যাধুনিক রিভালভার (গোল মাকর্ড) হাতে দেয়ালের ঠিক পাশ থেকেই চবি ছাত্রলীগের সহ-সভাপতি আবুল মনসুর সিকদারের নির্দেশে গুলি চালায়। তার গুলি খেয়ে মাটিতে পড়ে গেলে অপর ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডাররা কুপিয়ে মৃত্যু নিশ্চিত করে মাসউদ ও মুজাহিদের। 
 
Desh-Bondhu, 
'Desher Kotha Bolay'
 
 


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[ALOCHONA] Economic Collapse: A Mathematical Certainty ?



Economic Collapse: A Mathematical Certainty

By Jim Kirwan
 
The Dollar Collapse will be the single largest event in human history. This will be the first event that will touch every single living person in the world. All human activity is controlled by money. Our wealth, our work, our food, our government even our relationships are affected by money.  

No money in human history has had as much reach, in both breadth and depth as the dollar. It is the defacto world currency. All other currency collapses will pale in comparison to this "big one." All other currency crises have been regional and there have always been other currencies for people to grasp onto. This collapse will be global and it will bring down not only the dollar but all other fiat currencies as they are fundamentally; no different.  

The collapse of currencies will lead to the collapse of all paper assets. The repercussions to this will have incredible results worldwide. The dollar is the world's currency. It supports the global economy in setting foreign trade; most importantly the petro-dollar trade. This fuels our corporate vampires and acquires and harvests' the wealth of the world.  

The corporate powers suppress real assets like natural resources and labor to provide themselves with massive profits. The fascist statists, collectivist's model provides the money to the economy to fun an ever-increasing federal government. That government then grows larger and larger, enriching its minions, with jobs to control their fellow citizens.

Finally to come full circle; the government then controls other nations through the military-industrial complex.   This cycle will be cut when the mathematical and inevitable collapse of the dollar occurs. In order for our debt-based money to function we must increase the DEBT every year in excess of the debt and interest accrued the year before, or we will enter a deflationary death spiral. When Debt is created, money is created. When the debt is paid-off money is destroyed.

There is never enough to pay off the debt because there would be not one dollar in existence,   We are at a point where we either default on the debt, willingly or unwillingly or create more money or debt: To keep the cycle moving. The problem is if you understand anything about compounding interest is that we are reaching the hockey-stick-moment (on the graph that is the moment when everything goes vertical); where the more debt that is incurred the more debt that is incurred the less effective it is: And this leads us to hyper-inflation. There are only two actors needed for this hyper-inflation: The lender of last resort, or the FED, and the spender of last resort the government. These two can and will blow up the system.  

I believe they will wait until the next crises and the whiff of deflationary depression before they fire up the printing presses. That crisis is coming very soon, at the end of the summer or fall. The money and emergency measures are worn-out. The fact that none of the underlying problems that caused the 2008 crises have been resolved: The only thing that has happened is that instead of corporate problems we now have national problems.   In this movie Greece will play the role of Leman Brothers and the United States will play the role of AIG. The problem is there is no where (left) to kick the can down the road: And there is no world-government to absorb the DEBT- yet.

So this leads me to the top five places NOT to be when the dollar collapses.   Number one, Israel. This Anglo-American beachhead in the Middle-East was first conceived by the most powerful family in the world; the Rothschilds in 1917. The Balfour Declaration said that there will be a Zionist Israel , years before WWII, and the eventual establishment of Israel. Israel has not been a very good neighbor to the Muslim nations: And has always had the world's two biggest bullies on the block at its back.

When the dollar collapses the United States will have much too much on its plate, both domestically and internationally to worry about such a non-strategic piece of land. This will leave Israel very weak at a time when tensions will be high. This very thin strip of desert land will not be able to withstand the economic realities of needing to import its food and fuel or the political reality of being surrounded by Muslims.  

Number two, Southern California, the land of fruits and nuts turns into Battlefield Los Angeles .

Number three, England the land of the former Big Brother and the Empire of the worldwide slave and drug trade; will suffer heavily.   The "Stiff upper lip" that the British Elite ingrained in to the sheeple will not work anymore, as the British population explodes. The humans character will sacrifice for a foreign enemy, but not if the enemy has always been the elite. The Anglo-American Empire may pull off another false flag to distract its population but I feel this collapse will happen before they pull it off. This will make all eyes point at the British Elite as being solely responsible for this catastrophe. We have seen massive riots for soccer-matches with Hooligans. What will happen when this island with very little food and fuel gets cut off? 

The money that they create and spend will become worthless and government minion's pensions will evaporate. Millions that once relied upon the ability to force others to send their money to them, will learn that the real power has always been at the most local level. Massive decentralization will be the answer to 'Globalization Gone Mad. ' Local families and communities will forego spending money and power out of their communities as they will care about their next meal and keeping warm. As Ayn Rand once said: "You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."  

This time around it is a national and a global problem. The global Ponzi-Scheme has run out of gas: As the demographics decline; as cheap abundant oil declines, as hegemonic power declines: This comes at a time when we reach the exponential or collapse-phase of our money.   The irresistible force paradox says; "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object: We are about to find out, when infinite money hits a very-finite world!"
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Re: [mukto-mona] STOP ANTI-HINDU PROPAGANDA




It appears Mr Anwar and their goons are from ROG-KHATA CHATRA SHIBBIR.
During late 70's @ 79 -82: Innocent and studious students, just entered into Colleges had been brain washed...later saw them over the years sunk on the garbage.  

--- On Sat, 2/11/12, Anis Ahmed <aanis06@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Anis Ahmed <aanis06@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] STOP ANTI-HINDU PROPAGANDA
To: "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net>, "jnrsr53@yahoo.com" <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>, "guhasb@gmail.com" <guhasb@gmail.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "ovimot@yahoogroups.com" <ovimot@yahoogroups.com>, "joybanglanews@gmail.com" <joybanglanews@gmail.com>
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Received: Saturday, February 11, 2012, 9:56 PM

 
Mr Anwar

Why do you have to sound so communal . What does it matter if the killer was a Hindu or a Muslim. Did not the Muslim Razakars and Al Badrs and their patron Pakistani Army killed millions of Bengalees in 1971 . Why don't you say thousands of Hindu women were raped  by the Muslims in 1971 ? We do not say this because we hate to identify a person  by his religion specially when religion was not the reason behind all killings .

We do deplore any killings strongly but we also remember how in early mid  80's Chhatro Shibir Cadre's chopped of hands of their political opponents , did their Wadu and said prayer in  victory. If that's what a religion is , better be not religious at all.


From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: Hindu Chatro League Cadre Pijush was responsible for killing 2 Shibir workers, Will justice be done by Ha sina regime ?


Does Pijush work for RAW  ?

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From: Desh Bondhu <desh_bondhu@ymail.com>
To: undisclosed recipients: ;
Subject: [Ovimot] গুলিবর্ষনকারীর পরিচয়
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:37:14 +0000 (GMT)

 
 
অবশেষে চট্টগ্রাম বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে গুলিবর্ষনকারীর পরিচয় মিলেছে যার গুলিতে গতকাল খালি হয়েছে দু মায়ের কোল। বুটানীর ছাত্র চবি ছাত্রলীগের দুধর্ষ ক্যাডার পীযূস অত্যাধুনিক রিভালভার (গোল মাকর্ড) হাতে দেয়ালের ঠিক পাশ থেকেই চবি ছাত্রলীগের সহ-সভাপতি আবুল মনসুর সিকদারের নির্দেশে গুলি চালায়। তার গুলি খেয়ে মাটিতে পড়ে গেলে অপর ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডাররা কুপিয়ে মৃত্যু নিশ্চিত করে মাসউদ ও মুজাহিদের। 
 
Desh-Bondhu, 
'Desher Kotha Bolay'
 
 


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Fw: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong



Mr. Roy,
 
Please send this video to Bangladesh  Prime Ministers office and BHBCUC(Bangladesh Hindu Bouddho Christian Unity Council)as well as to HRW office.
Hasina's chatukars won't let her watch this video,I believe.
Thanks for posting this important video.
Sincere3ly,


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To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:18:24 -0800 (PST)

 

Please click on the link below to see the Temple and Deity destruction in Chittagong. You can also play a video clip in the link by clicking on the arrow:
 
 
Jiten Roy

 

 



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Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly



The debate on religion is endless.  It is pointless to carry on with it any further, particularly with people who lack common sense and would read nothing more informative than booklets published by the cults who make a living from exploiting religious sentiment.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

You draw conclusions based on exceptions; I don't. I look at the overall impact to draw conclusion about the effectiveness of a system. People under communism are not any less ethical than people under a religious theocratic system. Here, again, I am not talking about Pol Pot, Stalin, or Mao. I am talking about the people under their godless rule, called Communism. You don't need to be a communist to be an atheist.

I do not consider Vivekananda's religion as a success story in comparison to Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. He is not misunderstood at all; his messages are very clear. Yet, lack of success, in my view, is due to two reasons – 1) lack of exposure due to inadequate resources/funding in comparison to Islam or Christianity, and 2) his all encompassing messages are too soft for battling the aggressive campaigns from Islam and Christianity.

If you think about the contribution of Buddha in a broader scale, apart from what the teaching is, you will see that he has divided the humanity in a different sect, called Buddhism. Ramkrishna has his own sect also. All these sects will need their own space to grow, and some of them will try to dominate over the others (religious hegemony). Again, this is irrespective of how good or bad their messages are.

My point was religions divide mankind, and create unnecessary competition and intolerance.Jiten Roy

--- On Sat, 2/11/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 11, 2012, 12:49 AM


 
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
 
We have so many tolerant people in our society does not prove that religious virtue created that condition. If you think so, you are either not thinking critically or you are naïve.
-----I agree with you.
 
If we think deeply at our own lives, most of our good virtues, we have, came from elsewhere (our education, family influences, human instinct, human properties, etc.), not from our religious influences. I believe so, because - most of us spend our lives out of the religious sphere of influence, yet we get all those qualities.
----I agree.
 I also believe that - an atheist possesses much more good qualities than a devout religious man. This is because - the mind of an atheist is free and unperturbed by religious prejudices and influences. Therefore, it will be totally wrong to credit religion for our good qualities.  Let's analyze further.
-----I don't think so. Think about all the atheist communists. Do (did) they really have all good human qualities?
 
If someone is inducted to a brand new religion, for the first time, pretty soon, he/she will start to develop some antagonistic feelings toward others in the competing faiths, which he/she did not have before the induction. This phenomenon is well visible in religious converts; they are not only antagonistic, but also hostile towards others in different faiths. In other words, neo-converts are much more radical than other followers. Why is that?
------Any statistical support? Or has your opinion been influenced by what you learnt in your childhood: a Hindu converted to Isalm consumes proportionately more beef? What do you think about Mohammad Ali, Steve Jobbs, and others. Do they really hate the religions they were born into?
 
Religion is an ideological institution (clan), just like a political institution. The battle is for its space, growth, and dominance.
---That's right. It is true for any movement---for instance, cultural and literary?
 
 Antagonistic messages keep a religion vibrant, without which it may face the existential threat. The tolerance for others in the competing faiths is not a winning strategy for religious hegemony. Is it?
----That is the thinking of the fanatics and fundamentalists. They can befool the followers for some time. "Hegemony" is a word that does not fit well to relion!
 
 I believe, Vivekananda's new religion based on human compassion for all mankind, did not succeed as much for its all encompassing ideology; it's not strong enough message for continued growth and hegemony.
----- Vivekananda is very succesful. He reinterpreted the Upanishads to cover the duty towards the hungry, illiterate, neglected, superstitious, and chained people. If he has failed it is because he has been misunderstood. My opinion is in agreement with what Tapan Roychaudhury believes vide his recent article published in the fortnightly Desh.
 
Successful religions, therefore, teach their followers that - they are the right ones to go to haven; others are straight going to hell. This is the universal message of any religion. This message teaches how to demean and dehumanize the followers of other faiths.
---------But the practiced religion does not take into cognizance many fundamentalist views that a religion offers. Have you ever thought why the head of the government of a Muslim country visits the Durga Mandap to express his solidarity with the Hindus? If you have the fundamentalist view (very much like the fundamentalist view of a Muslim), you cannot explain the phenomenon. Why does a Hindu-majority country make a law discarding Hindu casteism?
 
What I am trying to say here is that - religion, for its survival, will always divide people and induce hatred and hostility within mankind, which would have been otherwise peaceful.
------Buddha, Ramksishna, Lalon do not do it. Why do you pick those who do it? 
 
Jiten Roy
--- On Thu, 2/9/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 11:11 PM

 
Well, when I talk about "How to follow religions correctly", I certainly mean what should be the "practiced versions of religions." To practice religions like civilized human beings who care about harmonious coexistence of all innocent people, followers of most religions have to edit their religions and/or ignore some aspects of their religions to fit their common sense and what Dr. Roy called "human compassion."
 
I am sure Mr. Chakrabarty and I have seen innocent people who actually have very little knowledge of their religions. They realize that their God has also created people who do not have the same thoughts about God. They could see that it would be wrong for them to hate, discriminate against, or commit atrocities against other kinds of people. These people are good primarily because of their good common sense, not because of their religions.
 
I have no argument with Mr. Chakrabarty about good practiced versions of religions. However, "Every religion teaches tolerance about other religions" is a wrong statement if we go by what quite a few of the religions are by their books.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
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Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 11:36 PM
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  • Both Jiten Roy and Sukhamaya Bain need to read my message on the "practiced" version of a religion. Peaceful coexistence is not a myth (exampe, Hindus vs Muslims in Bengal). Peace has sometimes been broken by nasty politics. During communal riots the members of the two different religious communities give shelter to one another. We just need to reflect on the past and the present as well. 
  • Religion is not a unique thing. It has infinite versions. There are infinite levels of religious belief. If you want to program your GPS, make sure where you want to go, in other words, which version of religion is your destination.
  • Here you go Mr. Roy: "Whatever tolerance we see is due to societal laws, and out of human compassion." That is what I am talking about: this is the practiced religion. You have mentioned only two determinants. There are many more forces that tend to keep religions universally appealing. That helps build communal harmony. But there is always a risk.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:11 PM
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Religion is like a GPS device, if you follow the turn-by-turn direction of it, you will end up in a predefined culture. This part is well tested and verified. Anything else is just guesswork or pipedream.
 
Religion, being a GPS system that can only take you to a predefined culture, cannot be used as a political system for a multicultural society. If you do, you will enforce a particular culture onto a multicultural society, and the outcome will be chaos and calamity in an otherwise peaceful society.
 
When we talk about religious tolerance, we should also remember that religion is a business also. Do you think any business like competitors? Whatever tolerance we see is due to societal laws, and out of human compassion. In my view, religion is a cultural hegemony, nothing more. As a result, the history of religious coexistence is written in blood.
 
Jiten Roy --- On Wed, 2/8/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 8:26 PM

 
I would like to comment on the following two comments:
 
S. Chakrabarty: "Every religion teaches tolerance about other religions."
 
J. Roy: "Most people believe in Allah in their own way."
 
S. Bain: Mr. Chakrabarty is very wrong here. I like Dr. Roy's statement. Please see below for some elaborations of these two comments.
 
None of the Abrahamic religions tolerate idolatry, which is a Hindu religious practice. People who identify themselves in terms of an Abrahamic religion, yet tolerate idolatry, do it in spite of their religion, not because of it. For example, many Christian communities in the USA allow Durga Puja in the churches because they have advanced enough to ignore some of the aspects of their religion, not because Christianity is not against idolatry. Enough reading and honest interpretations of the fundamentals of religions would show that many religions consider the following of other religions to be inappropriate, wrong, sinful and even punishable. I am personally reluctant to dig deeper into that. But I am sure Mr. Chakrabarty would find the example of idolatry that I noted here to be a valid one.
 
While almost all Muslims use the Arabic word Allah for the English word God, the word Allah was in use long before Islam came into being. Thus, Muslims really do not have a proprietary right on the word Allah. When a Christian or a Hindu prays to God, he is praying to Allah. In fact the Arab Christians do call God Allah. A Hindu should be able to use the Arabic word Allah as much as he uses the English word God to do his way of praying, including what would be clearly un-Islamic. A Bangalee Muslim should have no problem using the word "Ishwar" instead of the word "Allah." That should not cause anyone to lose his Islam.
 
Well, that's all for now.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
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Re: [mukto-mona] Chittagong Nondir hat Incidence/Few points to evaluat e



Mr. Anwar is built in the model of pre-1971 Pakistani model. Can all these communal comments devoid of any substantial contents be stopped?

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Only a Force led by a  Hindu can stop Mandir destruction in Bangladesh. RAB or Police one of the Force should be led by a Hindu.
Do you agree Capt. R. Chowdhury ?---------- Original Message ----------From: Captain Chowdhury <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca>To: khabor@yahoogroups.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com,  Chetona71@yahoogroups.com, alapon@yahoogroups.comCc: info@bdmw.org, info@atnbangla.tv, editor@thedailystar.net,  editor@banglanews24.com.bd, editor@prothom-alo.com,  e-mela <editor@e-mela.com>, editor@shodalap.com, editor@udbodhan.org,  naymul khan <editor@amadesrshomoy.com>, info@impress-telefilm.com,  info@btv.com.bd, info@channelone.com.bd, nahas <janomot@easynet.co.uk>Subject: [mukto-mona] Chittagong Nondir hat Incidence/Few points to evaluateDate: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:48:57 -0800 (PST)
 
Good day.
The recent communal incidences/violences in Hathazari/Nondirhat are of sheer conspiracies from Jamaat-BNP jote with Shibbir/closeby fanatic Madrasas were involved to foil the War Criminal issues along with Minority Persecution during the period while Chittagong University students were on leave in the areas of Hindu dominated place other-wise the event can't underway without being challenged !!!!
Scenarios of Gujrat riots must be remembered and we talked much about MODI issues but in Bangladesh many Modis are actively involved disguisely to make violence with subsequent shifting of War criminal Issues.
FYG:
Whole the belt from North part , Rangamati with Raozan/Hathazari/Fathebad to South, used to have strong Hindu presence, SAKA like communal gongs could not make ZERO Hindu despite of his direct persecution since '71 ...Now the area which is closed to Chittagong city and becoming strategically important under local Geo-Politics for various reasons (Extension of Ctg City,strong hold of Jamaat-Shibbir, close by Ctg Cantonment/University, extension of residences fm heart of Ctg City) is under direct THREAT.
I appealed Government with Secular minded people  to intervene on this soft issues immediately other-wise we may see another GUJRAT. Very small issue turned into severe violence in the area of Hindu areas.
We have talked about Border issue recently..Trust the media should make quick/rush and visit the area.
Identify the criminals and sweep them out immediately, repair all the Mandirs  !!!
This shouldn't be taken lightly..In India we have seen Babri mosque demolition ..not long ago !!!!!
Very interestingly,Thursday minor Issue has broken out after JUMMA Prayer..This is ridiculous !!! 
 
Good luck !!!    
Capt Chowdhury
 
 
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Quran was written by Men



Read Edith Hamilton and Russell thoroughly and then write such comments, Mr. Chakravarty.  Even a freshman in theology knows that Greek Gods came into being after the Universe was created.  On the contrary, some of them believed that the Universe was created by Yaldabaoth, a demiurge, illegitimately borne by the Goddess of Wisdom.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:59 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Stunning but of course a wrong pieces of information.
"The world, being sensible, cannot be eternal, and must have been created by God."---Russell on Plato's belief. In one e-mail, Mr. Das claimed that according to ancient Greek thoughts, God did not create the world.
"All living things are in a greater or less degree aware of God, and are moved to action by admiration and love of God."----Russell on Aristotle's belief. This defies, if Dasd is right, the claim "God is not concerned about the sub-lunar world."

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Quran was written by Men

 
Nothing came from the heavens.  According to the ancient Greek philosophers, God is not concerned about the sub-lunar world.

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 please read this article and make your valuable comments  http://mukto-mona.com/banga_blog/?p=499
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Re: [mukto-mona] Hindu Chatro League Cadre Pijush was responsible for killing 2 Shibir workers, Will justice be done by Ha sina regime ?



If the video is not concocted, I must ask: What is our Home Minister doing? Is this the beginning of the fall of AL?

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Does Pijush work for RAW  ?

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অবশেষে চট্টগ্রাম বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে গুলিবর্ষনকারীর পরিচয় মিলেছে যার গুলিতে গতকাল খালি হয়েছে দু মায়ের কোল। বুটানীর ছাত্র চবি ছাত্রলীগের দুধর্ষ ক্যাডার পীযূস অত্যাধুনিক রিভালভার (গোল মাকর্ড) হাতে দেয়ালের ঠিক পাশ থেকেই চবি ছাত্রলীগের সহ-সভাপতি আবুল মনসুর সিকদারের নির্দেশে গুলি চালায়। তার গুলি খেয়ে মাটিতে পড়ে গেলে অপর ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডাররা কুপিয়ে মৃত্যু নিশ্চিত করে মাসউদ ও মুজাহিদের। 
 
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