Dear Mr. Ezajur:
I am a bit confused about what you are trying to explain. Probably if both of us take this opportunity of an intellectual platford of Alochona Onlien, things would be more tersed.
I have noted the following points from your last letter and please feel free to let me know if I got them wrong:
1. you think that the small stockpiles of bricks and sticks inside the mosque points the finger to Jamaat..
my response: I agree that there were small stockpiles of bricks (not stones or granites) and sticks (not battons/hockey-sticks or hacksaw blades) inside the mosque. It proves that the made-quick weapons were gathered imprompto from surrounding areas (as we are aware that teher is a major construction work going on inside the mosque and the materials were gathered from there) and this does not prove that were a pre-planned attck strategy on the police (but may be there were pre-planned police agination or peace -disruption intentions like any violent or even peaceful demonstration if halted from progression and we have seen many agitaions in the past from Green-Peace, anti Global 8 and other matters). It is illogical to colour the demonstrators are Jammaatis and we have to agree that there might have been other violent groups who had instigated the attacks (alleged) on the police. I must also mention that I had seen video-clips where it appeared that some people were attacking the police from their back but we need to see the whole video footage (not clips) to reach our judgement. I may confirm to you that I myself am against any amendments of the Inheritance Law and I hold reasons which I am ready to argue about if you please and I do not and will never support Jamaat's anti-lieberation stand. I do support an Islamic Government and to my understanding, Awami League and BNP can also be called as per Islamic instructions if they (which they hardly did) had not promulgated any law or Act which is manifestly anti-Islamic.
2. I am never wiling to avoid any issues or discussions about Islam and modernity and if you kindly refer to specific issues, I will definitely answer categorically Inshallah.
3. The attack in the past on Awami League (I am sorry but I do not have the whole facts of that day as may facts are with the CID and DGFI of Bangladesh and under investigation) does not prove conclusively that the last agitation on the police was pre-planned strategy of Jaamt. If you are an expert of crime-profilation (which I am) I will be very please to discuss them with you. I am ready to concede any logical conclusions otherwise mere hunches based on previous experiences may lead to 'Kaktaliyo Onupopotti' as in logic.
4. As to your opinion about pleasing Allah and American issues, I bring to your notice that:
I do ahev no doubt in accepting that the Muslims around the world had suffered a material downfall (an intellectual development in the rise now) in the last two hundred years but that have had a lot to do with the American and European imperialsim. Now, our very national decisions in economy, social structure and even in our own very core of family lives are scruitinised very closely by EU and the USA. Let's talk about our problems:
Economy? Will you not agree that G8 and other polluters in the world have a lot to do with the sufferings of farmers in Asia and Africa? Almost no US or EU funding is given to the poor countries for their infra-structural development. Why? Bill Gates alone can feed half of Africa for a year. If you want I can give you data on that. Do we have a right over their wealth? Ofcourse we do. Why? The economy of the west and their concentration period on various developments emanated from imperialism, forced labour, neel chash in Indian sub-continent, cutting off of our weavers' thumbs and destroying our Muslin and so forth. Now they have shut the doors to the victims of their rulings by creating nationalistic immigration rules and talking about human rights in their own fashion.
Morality? What is their morality? Well where should we start? Creating a social structure where fathers are alienated and women rule the nation in the name of female security. Don't get me wrong. I am all for women development and equal rights in the society (which you may disagree and I am ready to have a dialogue with you) but not in the name of femisim or at the cost of male chauvinism. Are you not aware of the Family Laws in the West and are you not aware of Fathers for Justice Organisations? Don't you know that men are so scared of marriage and outcome of divorces that they do not want to get marraied any more there? What about alchoholism, drugs and sexually transmitted diseases? Data talks my friend. I do not believe that women's education is not allowed in Islam and we do not need Talibanist blindneess but at the same time we do not approve of US bomarding its iedas into other's submission. I can go on!
Inequality? Well! In what level? Please read Naval Traty of 1922 where Japan was not given the share of equality as that of USA and UK and their imperialist powrs recieved approval. UN? Veto? A laugh! We Muslims do not have a single country to have a veto? Why? Read the fall of the Ottoman empire wherey the Muslim countries were divided into several small nations so that the dogma of nationalism fruited through Lawrence of Arabia. South America? Please read the history of Falkland Island and the the history of 1800s - you will get your answer. Gender equality? Great. We are talking about countries where women had suffrage in the early 1900s and when Islam allowed that? Please read Madina Sanad. The top of the worlds - from Iceland to Antarctica - you know about the Antarctica Treaty among the Super Powers - you don't? I will shocked if you do. Palestine? Kashmir? Weere there any violence before the Anglo-American steps to divide the states into feuding territories? What do you know? There were no serious VIOLENCE or ethnic troubles? Tell you what - not even during the so branded religious fanatic Aurongojev's times? Who had troubled Aurongojeb? Walla!! The Sikhs. I can go on here as well.
Scientific advancement? There is a war of ideologies in the world and no matter what you say. The Medias, the publication worlds and other means are dominated by only one side of the beleiveers. It our fault that hardly no philosiphical development in the past were made in the West during this last 200 - 400 years of economic success? Do you know that Ibn Abu Rushd was the first person to preach secularism and comple works of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle? I bet you are dying to talk about Shakespeare and Burtrand Russel? Please read about Ghazzali and Rumi before that. Yes, we are suffering economically owing to the Rulers - and you know who the global rulers are but that does not mean we are poor in philosophy and theology. The rise is bound to come.
You menttioned that most of the women are bound to support this amendment of Inheritance law. How do you know that? Are yo that intellectual to reach a conclusion in the basis of hunch? Are you an expert on Islamic law? Did you have a referndum? Will the women around you leave their rights to Den mohorana or Maintenance at, or after marriage? To let you know that the women organisations in Bangaldesh are fighting relentlessly to get them from their estranged husbands. Await my article in a leading Bangaldeshi newspaper in English in Bangladesh next week.
You do not believe that Moeen is supported by China? He is a Pro-Taher man and loves West bengal and China. Laugh as the Chinese Arms making deal is reached. He visited West Bengal not other parts. Why? Wake up.
I do not believe in a democracy in a poor country where simple people can be fooled by learned so called intellectuals. I do not believe that my vote is equal to that of an ill advise man and counted equal in the ballot box. Yes, I still stand by my views. Question to you? Do you still?
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate
NB By the way in the West women revert to Islam in far greater number than men. I wonder why.
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: ezajur.rahman@q8.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:55:48 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: CJ and Us
Dear Alochok Mufassil
By all means let us talk about Islam and modernity. But some of your
facts seem to have little to do with either Islam or modernity
and much to do with the paranoia of some Muslims and some
Bangladeshis.
Islam and modernity is such a daunting subject that it is very
convenient to skip this subject altogether : )
There were small stockpiles of bricks and sticks inside Baitul
Mukarram on that day. Those who attacked the police did so knowing
that they had the upper hand on the field at that moment. If it was
not Jamaat – then who was it? It is unlikely to be a handful of
disorganized and disgruntled Islamists.
Maybe it was a dress rehearsal and strategy of the famous `certain
quarters' to challenge Awami League on the streets…
Whether the Advisor was undemocratic in bringing this issue to the
fore is debatable. After all most women would support it!
It's true that Bin Laden and Saddam were Western creations but that
is no excuse for denying the fact that it the ineptitude and
incompetence of we Muslims that is mainly responsible for our
troubles. Allah isn't going to be too impressed if every question He
asks of a Muslim leader is answered with the opening word `America…'
I welcome the unification of the Churches and if fear of Islam
promotes that then fine. It's the unity of Muslims that is the real
issue.
I must disagree that West Bengal and China are behind the current
CTG – I don't see how you can justify that. Certainly this CTG has
many allies abroad but I suspect that those allies, even if they are
wrong, are well intentioned.
The delusional notion that Bush and Brown can't sleep at night
because they are worried about a successful Bangladesh brings comfort
to us in our weakest moments.
And the electricity bill at the Bangladesh Embassy in Australia is
probably more a product of third rate political antics by Bangladeshi
government and embassy staff than anything else. I didn't know that
diplomatic immunity meant you could avoid paying your utility bills.
There is a separate thread on the forums lately about how Bangladesh
is always portrayed poorly. Just see how few of us actually hold
ourselves even partly responsible for our image abroad. Let our
enemies, if they exist do what they want.
Bhai, first let us raise our own standards.
Best wishes
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com , mufassil islam <mufassili@...> wrote:
>
>
> Mr. Ejazur and Other Readers:
>
> Your letter regarding Unfair criticism of Jamaati Islami is quite
interesting. Yes, it is true that the Islamic political parties are
much more organised than the other political parties as in
fundamentals they are united and they are bound to get support even
from the most secular (a term which we Muslims taught the West
through Ib Abu Rushn while compiling the works of Socrates, Plato and
Aristotle after the Crusades), but is also true that there are major
differences as to internal political decisions as many of the Islamic
groups do not agree with Jamaat's anti-liberation stand in the past
which many so called liberalists do not logically accept. To my view,
a Government that does not do anything anti-Islamic should have
support of the Muslims. It is true that Awami League and BNP did not
support the Sharia law but at the same time it is true as well that
those Governments did not commit any act against the Quran and
Sunnah. But there are stern political fundamentalists who would not
tolerate any other religion and would frown at Puja at Jogonnath hall
and we have to consider them as fanatics and most of the religious
and pious Muslims of Bangaldesh will never tolerate that view. But is
is also true that by hitting our sentiment of Islamic faith with
unjustifiable foregone conclusion about Quran and Sunnah and mis-
calculated judgements against Qurantic texts would definitely get the
wrath of the most moderate (a Western created term for all agreeing
Muslims as the other word is Ismist which you used several times in
your letter is also a newly crated western word). Our Women's advisor
was ill advised and ignorant and democratically unwise to bring this
delicate issue to a Government which is not democratically elected.
We need referendum or votes in the parliament after long study and
research on the Bill before enforcing that as a law and our CJ
violated Judge's Code of Conduct by expressing his personal view as
that has put his impartiality into question. Our Awami League was
also abrupt into brandishing the act at the Central mosque to have
been stirred by Jammat.
>
> It is true that the West are fighting against militant Islam in the
middle east but its also true that Bin Laden and Saddam were their
creations and they are there with a prior calculated mission to get
their hands of land and wealth under the ground. The EU is US's first
enemy and competitor and the only advantage they have is a few years
head start over another sourse of wealth - the middle east.
>
> The greatest enemy of Christianity is Mr. Bush and for his actions
the Iraqi Christian population has fallen to less than 3% which was
7% during the previous regime. Mr. Benedict the Pope is another
stirer of communal violence who chose to Baptise a convert to
Christianity in his Easter message before the world and are in the
process of unifying the Churches against Islam with Mr. Bush's
blessings which we can see with his in-person and red-carpet welcome
to the US. These two are always making anti-Islamic comments.
>
> I am confident as ever before that the present regime in Bangaldesh
is a well-planned anti-democratic power who are there with the
blessings from the Communist block from West Bengal and China.
Skeptic? If you are, let this letter be a witness to the future.
>
> I have been informed by Mr. Kazi of Kazi and Associates in
Australia that our CJ personally interfered into a litigation between
Bangladesh High Commission and a business concerns with threats of
cases in Bangldesh. We wonder why our Bangaldesh embassy's telephone
line was disconnected for failing to pay their bills in the beginning
of this year. Surprised? Be informed that there are many litigations
against our Embassy in Australia and they all hide behind the veil of
mis-conception about Diplomatic immunity.
>
> Mufassil Islam
> Human Rights Advocate
>
>
> To: alochona@...: ezajur.rahman@ ...: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:40:18
+0000Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Clashes in Dhaka -- Unfair criticism of
Jamaati Islami
>
>
>
>
> Islamists have not got it right when it comes to communicating with
other sections of society. And other sections of society have not got
it right when it comes to communicating with Islamists. Everyone
needs to learn how to communicate, accomodate, reform and progress.
There cannot be one law for AL and BNP radicals and another law for
Islamist radicals.It is unacceptable to have any form of militant
Islam in Bangladesh. Governments will eventually have to clash with
militant Islamists because militant Islamists will eventually fight
the government directly.On the other hand other sectors of society
are just dreaming if they think they can baton charge Islamists into
submission. If the Jamaatis and Tablighis and freelance radical ever
mobilised as a unified force... God help us! The West couldn't do it
in the Middle East and we won't be able to do it in
Bangladesh.Dialogue, moderation, understanding, reconciliation and
compromise... It is the only way forward.Know any good Deshi
polictians who can deal with this?RegardsEzajur--- In
alochona@yahoogroups.com , Jamil Ahmed <jamil_dhaka@> wrote:>> We want
peace and stability in the country.> Using issues like this to devide
the country to creat> fight between brothers will not serve our
country.> Bangladesh is a muslim country, India is a hindu> country
and USA is a christian country, nothing wrong> with that. Majority in
the country will determine the> law of the country. I am not a
supporter of Islamic> parties but it will be unfare for the people
of> bangladesh to ban Islamic Party. > > There may be incentive for
some elements to prove> bangladesh as a failed state. > > We need to
see the big picture. > > Jamil Ahmed> > --- S A Hannan <sahannan@>
wrote:> > > Dear Alochoks,> > > > Assalamu Alaikum.The letter writers
below are are> > over-stating things.There had been much more> >
police-people clashes in all parts of Bangladesh ,> > specially in
Dhaka, even around Baitul Mukarram ,> > during the last time of
President Ershad , last days> > of Khalida Zia's government in 96 and
2006 , at the> > beginning of present caretaker government in> >
october 2006, then these liberal and secular people > > did not say
about civil war and did not make any> > comparison with LalMasjid.> >
> > The present problem has been created by several> > quarters, not
one section, first making a women> > policy which can affect some
Quranic provisions,> > then govt's failure to amend the policy
quickly,> > continuation of movement by some Madrasah and> >
political elements even after govt's declaration> > that they will do
nothing against Quranic commands> > and laws, then police excess in
not allowing a> > delegation to submit a memo to the Chief Advisor ,>
> attack on police by some elements in Baitul Mukarram> > area,
continuous provocative statement by Madam> > Rasheda Chowdury. All
these have escalted the> > problem.> > > > But some media people are
trying to discredit> > Islamic elements only, they are trying to
blame> > Jamate islami who are not involved in these clashes> > at
all ( as stated by them in press statements).They> > are asking the
government to take action against> > so-called master-minds.This part
of the secular and> > secular press has never been fair in news > >
generally , particularly about Jamate islami .> > > > Shah Abdul
Hannan> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Syed Mirza> > To:
khabor@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:48 PM> >
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Bangladesh, get ready for> > Afghanistan-
Pakistan Style Civil War> > > > > > > > Muslims are slaves of Allah
and His religion islam.> > So, Bangladesh is a perfect Islamic nation
and will> > follow the foot steps of Paki-land. In future,> >
insaallah, BD will turn into a hub of islamic> > suicide bombings and
many many Lal-Masjid dramas> > will be staged soon.All razakars
of '71 are mightier> > than ever and they will soon train thousands
of> > suicide squads and will blast bombs to eliminate all> >
remaining no so good muslims from BD holy land of> > the East. Allah-
hu Akbar!> > > > SKM> > > > > > > > On 4/12/08, akhter <akhter@>
wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > During our independence, last > > 37
years, we got governments of ineffective, most of> > the times anti-
democratic, anti-socialism,> > anti-nationalism, and anti-secularism
rule (our > > main pillars of foundation of Bangladesh, are> >
shattered now). Continuous major corruptions in very> > high level of
government eroded our moral values and> > trust in democratic
government. Fundamentalist,> > Fanatics, and religious terrorists
filled the vacuum> > of distrusted and corrupted government.
Bangladesh> > is now unrulable, unlawful, chaotic country,> >
Afghanistan-Pakistan style mild or massive civil war> > may be the
news of every other day. Attached news> > items are sample of our
future daily life...> > Regards.> > Yours sincerely,> > Golam F.
Akhter> > Bangladesh-USA Human Rights> > Coalition> > > > ------------
--------------------- --------- --------- -> > > > Committed to PEOPLE'S
RIGHT TO KNOW> > > > > > 4/12/08> > > > > > Front Page> > Second Day
of Protest in> > Baitul Mukarram Area> > Violent clashes with cops> >
leave 200 hurt> > Shotgun looted by> > activists found in mosque
compound> > Staff Correspondent> > > > > > > > Three members of> >
Islamist outfits beat up a policeman, two with the> > snatched
shotgun and helmet while the other with a> > bamboo stick, after the
cop fell behind his> > retreating colleagues who chased the agitators
near> > Baitul Mukarram National Mosque yesterday. Photo:> > STAR> >
Hundreds of Islamist> > activists clashed with police for hours on
the> > second day of violent protests in the city's Baitul> >
Mukarram National Mosque area yesterday, leaving> > over 200 people
injured.> > > > Police used batons and> > fired rubber bullets and
tear gas shells to break up> > demonstrations against the recently
announced> > national women development policy in defiance of the> >
state of emergency.> > > > At least 52 policemen and> > five
journalists were among the injured.> > > > Some 17 people were> >
arrested in connection with the clashes. Deputy> > Commissioner (DC)
Mazharul Islam of Dhaka> > Metropolitan Police (DMP) Motijheel zone
last night> > said they filed a case accusing over 100 people of> >
assault on police and looting firearms.> > > > An intelligence
official> > requesting not to be named told The Daily Star that> >
they have already identified those inciting> > violence. "We have
suggested that the government> > take a tough line against them," he
added.> > Eyewitnesses said violence broke out at around> > 1:35pm,
minutes after Jum'a prayers when police> > barred a procession coming
from the north gate of> > the mosque. Incensed, the other members of
the> > radical Islamist outfits who were preparing to join> > the
march began throwing projectiles at the law> > enforcers. As chase
and counter-chase continued for> > hours, hundreds of those who went
to the mosque for> > Friday prayers became trapped inside. At around>
> 3:00pm, some demonstrators caught a policeman cut> > off from his
colleagues and beat him up. They> > snatched his shotgun and broke it
up into pieces,> > said the media cell of DMP. Earlier, some 50
people> > were wounded in Thursday's fight between the> > Islamist
groups and law enforcers. Chief Adviser> > Fakhruddin Ahmed announced
the National Women> > Development Polcy-2008 on March 8, causing a> >
firestorm of protests among Islamist organisations> > Since then,
some radical groups have been claiming> > that the policy gives equal
inheritance rights to> > men and women, while the government
maintained there> > is no such provision.In efforts to scotch the> >
discontent, four advisers of the caretaker> > government on March 27
met Islamic leaders and> > formed a review committee headed by the
acting> > Khatib of Baitul Mukarram Mosque. A report by the> >
committee is due by April 16. But some Islamic> > groups including
Ahkam-e-Shariah Hifajat led by> > Jamaat leader Delwar Hossain
Sayedee, Anti-Quran Law> > Resistance Committee of Allama Azizul Huq
Shaikhul> > Hadith, Islamic Law Implementation Committee led by> >
Islami Oikya Jote's Fazlul Huq Amini and Chhatra> > Jamiat Andolon of
Maulana Muhiuddin Ahmed opted not> > to wait and launched violent
street agitation> > Thursday. A huge number of students from
madrasas> > across the city took part in the pitched battles> > with
police yesterday. They acted on instruction> > from their teachers
who were staying inside the> > mosque, said the eyewitnesses.> > > >
After around four hours of> > fighting, areas like Purana Paltan,
Dainik Bangla> > intersection, Bangabandhu Avenue, Gulistan and> >
national stadium were littered with brickbats as> > smog from tear
gas hung heavily over them. The> > agitators launched attacks on the
police from every> > corner of Baitul Mukarram and took shelter
inside> > whenever police went on a counter-offensive. They> > took
bricks off under-construction structures on the> > mosque premises
and split those into pieces to hurl> > at police. Around 1,500 law
enforcers in riot gear> > struggled all along to control the crowds.
At one> > stage, rumours spread that three of the protesters> > were
killed, adding fuel to the agitation To escape> > tear gas, both the
law enforces and agitators burned> > carpets of the mosque, woods,
furniture of several> > street side stalls and papers making the air
heavier> > and adding to the sufferings. The marchers chanted> >
slogans demanding resignation of Women and Children> > Affairs
Adviser Rasheda K Chowdhury and the interim> > government. The injred
policemen were admitted to> > Rajarbagh Police Lines Hospital while
journalists,> > pedestrians and protesters received treatment at the>
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