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Tuesday, December 9, 2008

RE: [ALOCHONA] Watch out Bangladesh: Sleeping Next to a Thousand Pound Gorilla

Attn: Jalaluddin
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what kind of islam, we practise in Bdesh now?

1. we earn 12/ 24/ 36 times more than out salaries.

2. we live in palaces, beyond our income.

3. we have become selfish, self centred, greedy human beings.

4. we dont protest against corrupt leaders

5. we go to haj, ignoring neighbours .. who are hungry..sick..and..helpless.

6. we suck the toes of friends + relatives, ONLY if they are rich, famous and powerful

Am i talking about...a small section of the population?

khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar







To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: jalaluddin_md@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:40:48 -0600
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Watch out Bangladesh: Sleeping Next to a Thousand Pound Gorilla

Take my Salaam, Bhai Raisuddin:
 
Thanks for your kind reading of my hasty piece of writing; sometimes time is so limited that I have to put many eggs in one basket. Many a times I write for my own self and then feel like sharing it with other likeminded fellows.
 
I appreciate your advice. Definitely I will try to be simpler in my expression. Do not worry about my "Islamists". Many people use one word to mean many different things; virtually, meaning is not in the word but in the user. Here I have used "Islamists" to mean the majority people of Bangladesh, who believe in the values & principles of the religion of Islam and follow & practice thoroughly the true Islamic way of life; I have not included those who are fanatics, ignorant, hypocrites, Muslims-by-name, socioeconomically disadvantaged, and opportunity Muslims.  I hope you have gotten my point.   
 
Thanks again for your positive response and healthy criticism.
 
M. Jalaluddin   




To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: Kraisuddin@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:44:32 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Watch out Bangladesh: Sleeping Next to a Thousand Pound Gorilla


Dear Mohammad Jalaluddin,

You must be a concerned citizen. Definitely things bother you what you see around and so you brought up so many issues in your article, even though there is no clarity in your expressions, probably because you tried to present too many things in too little space and time. It would rather be better to take one issue at a time. Every time please present the issue, provide noticeable pros and cons and suggest some solutions. We would all be benefited by that type of presentations. Benefit to all means the benefit to the country.

In the last paragraph of your article, you mentioned, "....all sects other than the Islamists comprise/represent the world's majority of the Thousand Pound Gorillas." It is your opinion but let me tell you probably you do not care to be aware of a very big trouble in Bangladesh. Even the majority of people in Bangladesh are muslims, they are not known as islamists or have any role of  what the islamists have. Muslims who have religion as islam are not definitely all islamists. You must have a wrong understanding of the politics of who are known as the islamists. Islamists are those who are using islam for nasty politics, want to convert the countries in to talaban style country as was done in Afghanistan. All these islamists are ready to sell the self, the society, language, culture, country, and everything just in the name of religion. ALL ISLAMISTS HAVE COMPROMISED/REPRESENT THE EXTERNAL FANATIC ISLAMISTS. The origion of these disturbed islamists are from  oil rich middle-easts who are spending millions and millions of dollars through the madrasas, mullhas, mosjids and all other islamic organizations; WITH A VIEW TO CAPTURING THE STATE POWER. General muslim public has nothing to do with this presently evolving phenomemenon. In Bangladesh, they are trying very seriously to establish a muslim Sharyiah country and disband the current Bangladesh Constitution. Let us talk about one issue at a time. Please read the following excerpt about the role of present-day mullahs in our society. We may talk about other issues later.

As an example, let's think of a scenario: Considering a car as a religion, driver as a mullah, and passengers as us; we may praise the driver for good driving, as long as the driver drives well. However, as soon as we find the driver is incompetent, reckless, or drunk; what we shall do? We definitely will try to make the driver stop the car, take the driver out of the driver seat, and will find a better driver to drive the car.

If we can do it for a driver of a car, why we can't try to do it for the mullahs of our religion, who in the primitive time in a different form of society were probably productive (like a Murol of some gondomurkho grambashi) but in our modern society mullahs are found as the bad driver of the religion. In order to be able to sustain (men/women for religion and religion for men/women), the religions (which is by the way, certain form of life-style) must be able to fit to the changing societies where the individuals live and have to perform and observe all the functions, religious or otherwise. We are known to all others as muslims, no matter waht are our orientations and thoughts, as long as we are born of the muslim parents, it is our social ID, it is not easy just to wash off whenever we do not like it. And we must not bear an ID that is seen as detrimental to the rest of the society. So, only option left in front of us is to modernize it and make it vibrant and meaningful, for the societies in this world, not only for hereafter.

Actually all talks of the rewards in the hereafter and the grand gala life style for men only in this world such as empowering, controlling, enslaving, enjoying women, etc. were purly used as the tools of lust and greed to provide the incentives to bring people and the recruits in the tent; in and from the societies of the ignorants and opportunists. Modern society people are more calculative, knowledgeable, and have less greed compared to the people of the primitive societies. These primitive religions are basically to organize people together, and are mainly for the ignorants, not for knowledgeable people. Human intuition of the people having minimum moderate knowledge and the state and community/administrative laws of each country covers most of the day-to-day human activies and life style. The stories of the hereafter are basically myths.

So, can we all come up to an idea that we must spend our efforts and interests, interacting with each other, with the ends in mind, that is, we have to modernize the religion. Just criticizing the mullahs (who will never change themselves as long as they have the dream of having rosy hereafter) won't really take us anywhere. They are now just like the bad driver of the car of the example above. We need new good drivers. Is there anyone, who wants to be that new driver?

Thanks and have a great day.

Regards,
KR
Salaam, dear Bangladesh:
 
I was wondering why one gentleman repeatedly complained in the "yahoogroups" about "Eating Rice" as our worst enemy. I know now after reading about the "Thousand Pound Gorilla"; perhaps he was right seeing that we the Bangladeshi (unclassified) men do three things very well that are dear to us because they are easy, enjoyable, inexpensive, and convenient. The three things are: 1) Eat hot and tasty rice, dream during the day, sleep with our wives at night, oppress/tease women day-and-night, smoke Hukka or Cigars, and spend the rest of the 24/7 for the "aristocrats' leisure" spoiling the children and milk; 2) Relish "Ilsha' Steaks and Rohu Heads", occasionally gobbling chunky mutton grease, bite the betel & nuts with Choon-Khoiyr-Jarda for free lipsticks & mouth-fresheners, keep all these elegant habits by chewing the names of our fellow beings and biting on their backs; and 3) Heat up our soft bottoms and hard heads globalizing our "Drawing Rooms" by watching the cheap Commercial TV Channels killing "All Cats" that we could not, at the 'First of our Nights".
 
Who can we blame for our blemished trousers and torn caps? Generals or Gentlemen? No, they are as cheap as our "Time"! We heard, "Time is the Healer, and Time is the Killer"; but for us, time is just the yawning cats in our kitchens we can afford to kill, taking for granted that the dead-cats are created to cool our hot heads and mend our niggardly minds.
 
Who cares if the waters of the Ganges and Brahmaputra are not-flowing or overflowing? Who cares if Bangladesh remains as a sovereign "nation" or not, as long as the symbolic sectarian flags of the bureaucrats, politicians-cum-supporting gangs, industrialists, armed-forces, students/professors, professionals, socialists (except the peasants), secularists, sufis, religionists, feminists (a newly evolved modern sect), ethnic-minorities, and the currently-evolved global-citizens, are flattering in the sky? Unity or magnanimity is a misnomer for the mean. These so-called sectarian rats probably feel that Bangladesh is too small to be proud of, and its Muslim majority are too skimpy & stinky skunks to be tolerated, when all sects other than the Islamists comprise/represent the world's majority of the "Thousand Pound Gorillas".
 
Perhaps, you have no comment!
 
 Regards,
Mohammad Jalaluddin                                      





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From: bd_mailer@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:22:35 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Watch out Bangladesh: Sleeping Next to a Thousand Pound Gorilla


Watch out Bangladesh: Sleeping Next to a Thousand Pound Gorilla

 

Dr Abid Bahar

 

While talking about sleeping next to a Thousand Pound Gorilla, I am not referring to India that surrounds Bangladesh from its three sides. Here I am talking about Burma.

 

 Burma is five times bigger than Bangladesh. It has an army of 400,000 strong; in comparison Bangladesh has only 125,000 strong  army. It has a rough military regime ruling Burma for half a century with no end in sight. The greedy neighbor China and India are its biggest suppliers of its sophisticated fighter jets and helicopters. The enemy it fights is not another state but its powerful rebel groups that keeps it as a disciplined army.

 

During the medieval period, the Southern part of Bangladesh was controlled by Arakani pirates, and part of Chittagong was occupied by Arakan.. In our contemporary period, Burmese extremist groups led by Aye Kyaw through Arakani connection still claims Chittagong and Chittagong Hill Tracts as part of Burma. No wonder, Burma keeps connection with the Hill tracts leadership with the excuse of its Buddhist and racial similarities. It is documented that Chittagomg Hill Tracts's unrest was contributed both by the Indian army and by the innocent looking political Monks travelling from Arakan to Chittagong Hill Tracts. On record some armed groups among whom were monks were detained by Bangladesh authorities. Why Bangladesh remains naïve in its approach to dealing with the hypocrite Burma?

 

Contrary to the field situation, most Bangladeshis consider Burma as a backward, weak but friendly and a nonviolent Buddhist country with hardly any international backing. Bangladeshis also believe that Burma wants to help Bangladesh to have its "Look East" policy.

 

It is true, Burma is a backward country but the militarily it is not. It is a Buddhist country but it is a Theravada Buddhist (Fundamentalist Buddhist) country where anti Muslim and anti Chin and Karen (Christian) genocide is in its most dangerous form.

 

It keeps Bangladesh promising a road through Burma for connecting it with China. This never happened and experience shows will never happen in future. Therefore, in no respect, Burma is a friendly country.. It works exactly like a turtle head.  It is clear from the fact that it has been sending Rohingya refugees for a long time, always promising to take them back but continues sending them causing in the destruction of infrastructure in Southern Bangladesh. It never says no and Rohingya refugees little by little continue to leave Arakan for Bangladesh to avoid the genocide of intimidation. Information received lately reveals that part of Bangladesh territory near Arakan and Chin border remains under NASAKA control. In this Burma is always in the offensive. 

 

While Bangladesh is busy in its infighting between the two Begums, and the issue is Jamat or war criminals etc., and the care taker government so miserably fails to take care of the country, we see realizing the weakness in the centre, Burma sends its navel ships to cross Bangladesh maritime boundary. In this,  Bangladesh sought help from China but it was not forthcoming.

 

Surprisingly, there are anti Rohingya and anti Bangladeshi xenophobic Burmese Buddhist groups called themselves ANC members, work from Dhaka and Delhi and especially from Bandarban, but Bangladesh authority under the Care Taker government takes it easy because of its inexperience and their and generally people's perception that Burma is a harmless backward country.

 

But the problem is, if we don't take lessons from history, it says, history repeats itself. History teaches us that after the fall of the Sultanate in the Bengal centre in Gaur, following Sher Shah attack, Arakanese took advantage of the weak centre, and in alliance with the Portuguese raided the lower Bengal even occupied part of Chittagong defeating Shah Alam, the Bengali governor. The problem is now there is no Mughal General Shaista Khan, nor the Pakistan Army to take side of Bangladesh. It is all for Bangladeshis to take care of themselves in this ocean of enemies. What it requires thus, is to continue to have strong centre.

 

 With a strong centre, even Ziaur Rahman in 1978 could force Burma to accept its 200,000 Rohingya refugees(

http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2007/12/06/education-in-burma-where-some-are-more-equal-than-others/) The imbecile General Moin U's unwanted interference in civilian affairs has caused no benefit to the nation. He was seen at best good to kill and paralyze civilian leaders he saw them the enemies, he shamed the nation by putting the former Prime Ministers in jail but when it came to face the real enemy in the Bay of Bengal, his army helplessly looked from a distance. Under the circumstances, it is desirable that this intrigue expert army General resigns as soon as the Care-taker government's term comes to an end.


 

One would recall, after Moin U's coup with a Care taker government in Bangladesh, when Moin U was Invited to India and was given a red carpet reception along with 6 horses, many people predicted that it would follow the demand for transit. But when Bangladeshi people in great numbers refused the transit, India quite unceremoniously signed the Kaladan project which allows it now to have access of its North East to the Bay of Bengal through Arakan. 

 

Historically speaking, compared to Bangladesh, the relationship between Burma and India is much deeper. It is no surprise that the military rulers and even Aung San Suu Ki who had her education in India documented in her book sees India and Burma as part of the mythical Hindu-Buddhist civilization and Bangladsh, of course, an ancient Buddhist region now Muslim, some sees only as a roadblock. So the question: is India's Kaladan project through Burma a source of Burma's apparent new strength to flex it muscle against Bangladesh? Recent report suggests that Burma accumulated a huge army five miles from the inland border in its North West and navel ships are also stationed in the Akyab region in the Bay. What is India's role in this?  We question, is India the new Portuguese in the Bay? It is good to know.

 

Bangladesh's strength of course is not in a strong army but its strength in democracy and its growth in a large educated middle class, which Burma lacks.  However, what Bangladesh needs now is a democratically elected government and not to take Burmese military, the hypocrite enemy for granted as a friend. It is also very important to keep an eye on the innocent looking xenophobic monks travelling from Burma to Bangladesh in Chittagong and Chittagong Hill Tracts and in Dhaka. A strong intelligence is extremely essential.

 

Despite all the developments, it is important that regional issues between neighbors should be resolved amicably. However, a thousand pound gorilla wouldn't comply with considerations unless it is bound to do so and sleeping carelessly next to it can cause undesirable consequences.

 





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