RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Dear Farida Majid and Readers:
 
It is true that Mr. Moududi did support the fascist stand like the then Iamam of Jerusalem did. But at the same time the Catholics around the world did support Hitler as well. The Catholic Church in Ireland did shelter the run away Hitler Lovers (ref: BBC TV report) but why? There was a political agenda. The promise land by the West for the Jews were taking momentum with several incentives for the Jewish community in Germany and Hitler did follow the teachings of the father of Protestant Christianity Mr. Martin Luther for killing the Jews. The Jewish community were killed for the sake of Christianity and for the sake of saving Germany against western allies - The Jews. The plan to divide Germany and the plans to ensure that the Ottoman empire collapsed - Laurence of Arabia was set amongst the Arabs -to divide the Muslim community with pivotal nationalism ferver. kemal Ataturk was in the offing with Pork feeding sentiment as a Western right man (apart from Greek issue). These scenarions were obvious to the Islamic and Catholic ldeaders (who did not want Evangelicans and Protestanst to rule). Hence, supporting the Fascists or the Germans were the only alternatives to ensure defence against future Anglo-US imperialism. Japan was cornered with its naval forces and Russia was against Japa's extension into its islands in the Japan Sea. Hence, Russia took the side of the Allied Forces. Even our Netaji Shuvash Chandra could feel that and took the support of Italy and Germany in forming the first Armed Forces to fight the British. Why? Bangladesh was supported by India during our liberation war. Why? Does these supports have anything to do with morality issues or religion as per se? NO! Ofcourse not! Hence, Mr. Moududi's stand in this respect was correct and look how Mr. Bush laughs even when he gets the Boot. A typical tyrant and imperialist - a breed of the Allied Forces who has now blinded us with so called unworking Democracy for the Third World. Islam believes in a Punch of Democracy - where democracy works only whilst choosing the top througfh a vote of the wise. Democracy is uselsss in a third world country as my vote, your vote and that of a Goonda who is uneducated and hooligan can have save weight in ballot boxes. Throw away this democracy. Islam is rather closer to Socialism. Even Communism's idea of taking over lands with ideological imperialisation without atroccity is directed in Islam - but do not make mistake Islam does not support Communism's Stalinic idea of choking the neighbouring communities. Hence, Islam has a unique political message which none of the countries have yet achieved - but that does not mean it is not achievable. By banning any political party - u create more interest for it. Islam believes in One Nation as per Quran's instruction - One Ummah for all humans of the world by maintaing separate entities of the social groups - quite like the European Union - which is in fact a Christian Union - why do u think Pope opposed Turkey's inclusion? Iqbal's idea is the best in this explanation. We have a habit for throwing out everything of a man if we find one major fault in him as we belong to a community who made Avtars and Vogobans of ordinary humans. Even for argument, I accept Moududi's political stand was wrong - by no means I am ready to accept that his Tarfim Ul Quran was not one of the most celebrated Islamic research on Quran. If in Russia, Communists can do politics - why not Jamaat in Bangladesh? Let them speak - criticise them for their works on 71 and also criticise Mr. Kabir Choudhury (The so called national politics and a self declared atheist) for his touching of Aiyub's feet in public ete etc. Sue Jamaat's leaders and Rajakars for crimes against humanity. If they yet be successful if getting public vites - that's democracy. Don't like it? Accept that we need another dogma which is not democracy. Well, I personally do not believe in a democracy where the PM can go to power counting Tajbih and later create BAKSHAL. Wait - time for change is coming! Which way? The flow of sentiment will soon reveal!
 
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: farida_majid@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:06:00 -0500
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

         The mean-spirited snarls of maqsud omar have crosed all bounds of civility.  Such is the demeanor of typical Jamaati. 
          Jamaat is founded upon a totalitarian concept of social organization that requires complete control over people's mind and hence their lives.  The fake Moulana (he had no grounding in Madrassa education, nor any credited religious school training) Mowdudi was a great admirer of Mussolini and European-style totalitarianism.
 
         If maqsud omar thinks such an organization or "political" party as Jamaat should be allowed to partake in democracy then he is what he has described himself:
              ".... very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, hollow people".
        
          This Charlatan Abid Bahar can also be comfortably fitted in that description. He should also be condemned for spreading ridiculous lies and ignoramus ideas about "fundamentalism." Religious fundamentalism is a modern phenomenon whose birth is located in American Christian Protestantism in the 1920's.  There has been a monumental study conducted under professors Martin Marty and Scott Appleby on Fundamentalism whose volumes are published by the University of Chicago 1992-96.
 
            This information is perhaps a bit too much for the Half-educated Abid Bahar who parades his own pedantry like a crow stuck with a few scraggly peacock feathers.
 
             Jamaat of Bangladesh has blood dripping from their hands, and everyday there are fresh droplets added to that drip. Someday very soon Allah will find us deliverance from the scourge of Jamaat.
 
             That day cannot come any sooner.
 
              Farida Majid

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: maqsudo@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:32:46 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

re: isha khan
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1 thing has always confused me....we say/ demand  that....we beleive in democracy...but we do not want to accept elected MP...if he/she belongs to
Jamaat??!! And we criticize them non-stop, often without any valid reason.What kind of hippocracy is that!

Someone may not have supported AL leadership and the method of our liberation process, with the help of Indians.
what is the problem with that?
That was his/her personal philosophy. attitude. Why we cant accept it...if we beleive in democratic process??

Isn't it true..without any supporting documents....that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces "
etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything....to the poor... hungry...
sick...helpless people?
My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic,
disorganized, hollow people.

What has been your experience?

Best wishes.
Khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar

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From: bd_mailer@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:14:27 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

What is Wrong with Fundamentalism Abid Bahar Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no. First, what is fundamentalism? It is the official practice of the basic principles of a religion and very importantly, as the dominant religion, imposing them to control the politics of a country. When that happens in a multi religious country, the rights of minorities are violated. Fundamenta lists do it with their claim of ownership of the country and by implication, see the other religious groups as foreigners. So primarily,  it is a question of intolerance associated with fundamentalism. Is fundamentalism a problem only in Islam? Let me start by saying that contrary to Western propaganda, fundamentalist movement is there in every religion. It is even present in its most dangerous manifestations in Buddhist countries such as in Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka and in Cambodia, the latter even carried out a genocide against minorities. These are Theravada fundamentalist Buddhist countries. Here the innocent looking monks are very much active in politics even in the destruction of religious sites of other religions, namely, Muslim and Christian. In India and Pakistan minority rights were being denied by the fundamentalists claiming as in India as the Rama Raja, or Pakistan as a Muslim country. Given the right mood, we see that the manifestation of fundamentalist outbeak can take place anywhere. We see this even in India, a country officially calls itself secular. In India, before  1992, the most unpopular party, BJP could only win two seats in the parliament. But in 1992 it took up the issue of Babri Mosque and claimed that it was the birth place of Rama, a Hindu God. But surprisingly  Rama was not a historic figure. However,  the claim by the BJP satisfied the Hindu majority and on the open day light Hindu fundamentalists marched to the Mosque site and destroyed the Mosque. About 10,000 people were killed in the carnage. Instead of putting the criminal leader Advani in jail, in Indian democracy this fundamentalist leader formed the government and became the Home minister; shaming a country claims itself as the world's biggest democracy. This is an issue of using religion in politics.  The worst part of fundamentalism is to display anger toward its enemy and its attack of civilian sites. In 2001 some alledgly fundamentalist followers of Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Centre buildings in New York city killing approximately 3000 innocent people which led to the release of huge anger among American people and leadership led by Protestant fundamentalist leader George W. Bush. Bush identified himself as the Christian zionist found an excuse to attack Iraq and even before attacked Afganistan causing the death of approximately a million people. Are the terrorists of the trade centre true Muslims? Most Muslims believe no. Is George who led an illegal war in Iraq a true Christian, the answer would be no. Therefore, the problem with fundamentalism is its show of anger and retalliation against its perceived enemy and its use of violence in the name of God. In India the attack on Babri Mosque followed counter attacks in bombay and more counter attacks are going on in almost all the Indian cities. Here Hindus are killing Muslims and Christians and Muslim killing innocent Hindus. Only lately, some Pakistani fundamentalists entered India and attacked Bombay, killing close to two hundred innocent people and injuring many others.  In addition to the above, the biggest problem with most fundamentalist movements is, it does not allow diversification; it resists change. It demands a society to remain stagnant. It resists the growth in art, music, business, women's rights and in the other areas. It forces human spirit to die down. Fundamentalist movements in certain religions discurages women to not work outside their homes, thus allowing half of the population and the country to remain backward. It has been a lingering problem in Muslim countries thus helping the countries to stagnate allowing more powerful countries to attack them. This is very much a problem in Muslim countries. The deadly fundamentalist movements in Muslim countries, however, seem contrary to what the Prophet of Islam advised to his followers and said: "For knowledge even go to China." Education is essential for every Muslim man and woman." Contrary to the Talibans, in the days of the Prophet, Muslim man and women could pray together. Khadija, the wife of the Prophet was a business woman. Ibn Rusd, who was opposed by the fundamentalists of Cordova to be the chief advisor to the Caliph, but his ideas were known to have helped in the European Renaissance.  Thus, he was recognized as  one of the masters of European Renaissance. Strangely though, the Taliban's primitive practices in the rapidly changing economies of our time made Islam laughable to the humanity that is responding to the demands of global change.   Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, it is against change. It is against development, against human rights. It is against development because the fundamentalist leaders interpretation finds change to be  wrong. As opposed to this, human history shows that change is the most unchanging thing in the world. Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, because it brings religion into politics. It kills innocent people. Finally, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? We can also say no, but only if religion remaines the personal belief of its followers as the sufis in Islam do. Sufis are very religious people but stay away from politics. There is nothing wrong in being religious, to observe the basic tenents of one's religion such as doing salat, fasting, going for hajj etc. Fundamentalism in that sense is not wrong.  Then, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no. Bangladesh to develop has to resist both the forces of Fascism and fundamentalism; because both preches violence. These two are as if like the same body of a poisonous two headed snake. They take every opportunity to kill their prey only to get to power. What is at stake is to help save innocent lives from these angry primitives justifying their killings in the name of God and with the holy book in their hands reciting the lines of their choice and the Fascist leaders violating the rule of law, resort to control the country by controlling the streets.

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