I had no idea about Hzt. Omar. I knew only about Hzt. Osman. He
enjoyed Music and 2nd Caliph Omar had once sneeked on him enjoying
Wine and watching one of his young Semi Nude Slave Girl dancing,
singing and playing a Musical Instrument.
When the Caliph asked, what was he doing?
He said, "what are you doing on my property entering without my
permission this late at night? Since you have violated the law to
catch me like this, I can not be charged with any crime. Leave ...!"
Caliph Omar left quietly and never pressed any charges against him.
Hzt. Osman had stopped coming to the Mosque after that and it
bothered the Caliph but on one special day he went to Mosque and sat
in the back instead of being with the Caliph like before. When Caliph
Omar saw him, he requested him to come up front and whispered, "I
never told anybody about that night".
Hzt. Osman said, "I didn't want to come to Mosque until I quit
drinking" (Watching his young Semi Nude Slave Girl dance and
listening to Music were not considered any Sins by Caliph Omar. His
only objection was drinking).
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@...> wrote:
>
> Next time one of these morons is sick, and goes to the hospital for
treatment, I want him to refuse anything alcohol based for anesthesia
or sterilization. I want the doctors to operate on him without any
narcotic or painkillers to reduce pain, as they are also "haram" in
Quran because they can impair your judgment. Only then he would
understand that their meaningless propaganda of the last millennium
is irrelevant. Funny thing is, no one mentions that Hazrat Omar was
actually an alcoholic (as well as a megalomaniac), and that the
Semitic tribes during Prophet Mohammed's time traded wine, as well as
served them at family gatherings and parties. Oh, I am sorry....you
didn't know that Prophet Mohammed was also a "Semite"? And you
thought that only the Jews are the Semites?
>
> Religion is the enemy of science. And if I have to choose between
faith, religion, and the teachings of some puritanical mollahs and
science, I pick science.
> C
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: K. Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@...>
>
> It would have been more appropriate if the citing was about the
destruction of human food to produce biofuels in order to feed the
vehicles. Where as the world is facing the acute shortage of human
foods in many parts of the world, the obligation of the rich
countries would have been to preserve more and more human foods, and
even if they sell instead of donating, millions of human lives would
have been saved. Cellulose biofuel production is alright because in
that process human foods are not used; but producing biofuel using
human food is extremely unethical.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rkhundkar@earthlink .net
>
> Saudi Muslim cleric warns that biofuels could be sinful
> By Eoin O'Carroll | 02.20.09
> http://features. csmonitor. com/environment/ 2009/02/20/ saudi-
muslim- cleric-warns- that-biofuels- could-be- sinful/A prominent
Muslim scholar in Saudi Arabia has warned that those using alcohol-
based biofuels in their cars could be committing a sin.
> The warning was issued by Sheikh Mohamed Al-Najimi, a member of the
Islamic Fiqh Academy, an institute that studies Islamic jurisprudence
for the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, an international
group with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. According to
the Al Arabiya News Channel, an international news outlet is based in
Dubai, United Arab Emirates, Mr. Najim directed his warning to Saudi
youths studying abroad.
> Al Arabiya notes that Najimi stressed that this warning was not an
official fatwa, or religious edict, just his personal opinion. Najimi
added that the issue "needs to be studied by the relevant religious
bodies."
> Ethanol, a common type of biofuel, is made of the same type of
alcohol found in alcoholic beverages, and its production is similar
to that of hard liquor. Plant matter is fermented using yeast, and
the result is distilled to increase the concentration of alcohol.
> Fuels with high concentrations of ethanol – the most common being
E85, a gasoline blend with 85 percent ethanol – can be used in flex-
fuel vehicles, which make up more than seven million of the roughly
250 million passenger cars and trucks on America's roads. Most
gasoline sold in the United States contains about 10 percent ethanol.
The fuel is more common in many Latin American countries,
particularly Brazil.
> In addition to beverages and biofuels, ethanol is a widely used in
industry for its properties as a solvent and an antiseptic. It's a
common component of perfumes and paints. The chemical is also
necessary in the production of vinegar – one of the Prophet
Muhammad's favorite seasonings.
> The Koran prohibits consumption of alcohol in three separate verses
that were written over a period of several years. The first mention
occurs in 4:43, in which Muslims are told that they must not pray
while intoxicated. A verse written later – 2:219 – says that in wine
and gambling "is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is
greater than the profit." Finally, in 5:90-91, intoxicants and
gambling are called "an abomination" and "Satan's handiwork":
>
> Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with
intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of
Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
> This admonition is waived in the hereafter, apparently: Many
passages in the Islamic holy book describe heaven as having rivers of
wine.
> Ironically, it was Muslim chemists who introduced distillation to
the West. The process of distilling pure ethanol from wine was
perfected by 8th- and 9th-century Persian chemists, who used it to
create perfumes and eyeliner. Their writings were translated by
European scholars in the 12th century, and the process was used to
make potable spirits. The word "alcohol" is itself of Arabic origin.
>
>
> ________________________________
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