Dear Sir malhaq,
You are absolutely wrong about your statement on wife beating. I wonder whether you read Quran and try to understand the meaning of it.
In Sura Nisa's Ayat number (4:34), the third sentence is, "....Wa allati takhafhuna nushujahunna faiduhunna wahjuruhunna Fil madajiyee
waadribuhunna." This means, "Among your wives, who you suspect to be not obedient; advise them, then leave their beds and beat them.''
If you say that wife beating has not been recommended in Quran, this would be dead wrong. Remember one thing, hating and criticizing the
religious people have no point because they do not do these things just by their own wish, they just do not become chauvinist by themselves;
they have been told to do so by their favorite book, which they kiss million times.
I hope this clears the water.
Thanks,
KR
To: WideMinds@yahoogroups.com
From: malhaqonline@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:26:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [WideMinds] Re: wife "beating" in the Quran / comment
Wife beating & non-ass-kissing of woman is the best & only thing to come out of Islam/QURAN. ......... .for it prevents women from becoming BOSSES of men. Just look at Western Society..... .where men have given away all their power & become slaves of women & given women jobs they are not qualified for nor they deserve. Men have screwed themselves.. ......... ...Men have made women superior & degraded & made themselves inferior.
Men in the West forever degrade & enslave themselves further by kneeling down to propose to a woman!!! Begging to provide free-loading women everything for life-time & on top of kneeling down !! The women should be kneeling down to propose to a for a life-time provider............. ..
--- On Wed, 2/25/09, STUDENT of THE QURAN <irtaza1@yahoo.com > wrote:
From: STUDENT of THE QURAN <irtaza1@yahoo.com >
Subject: [amongbelievers] wife "beating" in the Quran / comment
To: folksandfriends@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 5:17 PM
[1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most MercifulSalamun AlykumPlease refer to the following translation of the verse [4:34] regarding "wife beating"issue.[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.The word "Idribuhunne" is translated as "beat them" in the above verse. The root of this word is "DaRaBa". If you look at any Arabic dictionary you will find a long list of meanings ascribed to this word. That list is one of the longest list in whole Arabic dictionary. It can be said that "DaRaBa" is the number-one multi-meaning word in Arabic. It has so many different meanings, we can find numerous different meanings ascribed to it in the Quran.
- To travel, to get out: 3:156; 4:101; 38:44; 73:20; 2:273
- To strike: 2:60,73; 7:160; 8:12; 20:77; 24:31; 26:63; 37:93; 47:4
- To beat: 8:50; 47:27
- To set up: 43:58; 57:13
- To give (examples): 14:24,45; 16:75,76,112; 18:32,45; 24:35; 30:28,58; 36:78; 39:27,29; 43:17; 59:21; 66:10,11
- To take away, to ignore: 43:5
- To condemn: 2:61
- To seal, to draw over: 18:11
- To cover: 24:31
- To explain: 13:17
Perhaps, we need to reflect on the following verse before we decide the appropriate meaning of the word "Idribuhunne" in verse 4:34 above.[3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.Shouldn't be 4:34 a straightforward verse?!I strongly believe that "separation" is the final resort even though the word "Idribuhunne" has multiple meanings. The idea is attached with the next verse 4:35 as shown below:[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) "Idribuhunna" . If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.[4:35] If a couple fears separation, you shall appoint an arbitrator from his family and an arbitrator from her family; if they decide to reconcile, GOD will help them get together. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.Additionally, the following example reinforce my above belief:[33:28] O prophet, say to your wives, "If you are seeking this life and its vanities, then let me compensate you and allow you to go amicably.[33:29] "But if you are seeking GOD and His messenger, and the abode of the Hereafter, then GOD has prepared for the righteous among you a great recompenseThank you and may God guide us,M. Irtaza[33:62] God's Sunnah is unchangeable[39:23] The Quran is the best Hadith
--- On Mon, 2/23/09, S Turkman <> wrote:
Praise be to Allaah.
We have explained in the answer to questions no. 11774 and 21536 the ruling on women covering their faces and hands, and that it is obligatory for them to cover them in front of non-mahram men.
Allaah has enjoined woman to be obedient to her husband, and has made men qawwaamoon (protectors and maintainers) of women. They are supposed to direct and look after women as a leader directs and looks after his people, because of the physical and mental characteristics with which Allaah has distinguished them, as well as the financial duties that He has enjoined upon them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means"
[al-Nisa 4:34 - Qoraan]
Ibn A Katheer said:
Ali ibn A Abi Talhah said, narrating from Ibn A Abbaas: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women" means: they are in charge of them and the woman should obey her husband in the matters in which Allaah has enjoined obedience. Obeying him means treating his family well and looking after his wealth.
Tafseer Ibn A Katheer, 1/492.
If the wife goes against his wishes and refuses to obey him, the husband has to take a gradual approach in handling the matter. First he should admonish her and remind her of the punishment for disobeying his command. If that does not succeed, then he moves on to forsaking her in bed. If that does not work, then he may hit her, but in a manner that is not severe, and there is nothing wrong with also threatening her with divorce.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them"
[al-Nisa 4:34 - Qoraan]
Shaykh Abd al-Rahmaan al-Sadi said:
"those women on whose part you see ill-conduct" means, those who refuse to obey their husbands and disobey them in word or deed; they should be disciplined gradually. "Admonish them" (first) means, explain the ruling of Allaah concerning obedience to one's husband, encouraging obedience and warning against disobedience. If the wife stops, then that is, what is wanted. Otherwise "the husband should forsake her in her bed, by not sleeping with her" or having intercourse with her, until the desired result is achieved. Otherwise he can "beat her", in a manner that is not severe. If one of these methods achieves the desired result and the wife obeys, then seek not against them means (of annoyance) i.e., you have got, what you wanted, so do not keep rebuking them for things that are in the past, or draw attention to faults that will cause trouble if you mention them. (Tafseer al-Sadi, page. 142).
You can seek help in admonishing her and advising her by means of useful tapes and books which speak of the obligation of hijab for the Muslim woman, and explain the seriousness of disobedience and its consequences in this world and in the Hereafter.
You have to be gentle and kind with her. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allah is kind and He loves kindness and confers upon kindness that which he does not confer upon harshness and does not confer upon anything else besides it (kindness)". (Narrated by 'Moslim;, the famous Writer of Hadith in his book, Muslim, 2593.)
And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "There is never any kindness in a thing but it adorns it, and kindness is never lacking from a thing but that makes it ugly". (Narrated by Muslim, 2594).
And Allaah knows best.
------------TURKMAN: Islam doesn't tell wife, what to do if its the other way around.
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