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Tuesday, February 17, 2009

Re: [ALOCHONA] Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance

I think we are making a non issue regarding the buffer state issue. it is a misuse of word by the indian journalist. Bnagladesh by definition cannot be the buffer state. (please read below). I do not know how a journalist can be so idiot.
Dipumoni should have said to the journalist, "you used a word in a wrong place. please buy a dictionary and rephrase your question". For any sane person what she answered was correct.
 
Buffer state definiation from Wiki
 buffer state is a country lying between two rival or potentially hostile greater powers, which by its sheer existence is thought to prevent conflict between them. Buffer states, when authentically independent, typically pursue a neutralist foreign policy, which distinguishes them from satellite states. The conception of buffer states is part of the theory of balance of power that entered European strategic and diplomatic thinking in the 17th century. In the 19th century, the manipulation of buffer states like Afghanistan and the Central Asian emirates was an element in the diplomatic "Great Game" played out between the British and Russian Empire for control of the approaches to strategic mountain passes that led to British India.

Other examples of buffer states include:

Yugoslavia, between the West and the Soviet Union
Tibet during the period of the British Raj, between British India, the Russian Empire, and the Chinese Empire.
Kingdom of Armenia between the Roman Empire and the Parthian Empire
Qasim Khanate, between Muscovy and Kazan Khanate
Kingdom of Hungary, and later Transylvania in the time of principality between the Austrian Empire and Ottoman Empire; see also Banat.
Mongolia, between the People's Republic of China and Russia
Poland following World War I, located between Germany and the Soviet Union
North Korea during and after the Cold War, seen by some analysts as a buffer state between the military forces of the People's Republic of China and American forces in South Korea
The invasion of a buffer state by one of the powers surrounding it will often result in war between the powers. For example, in 1914 the German invasion of Belgium triggered the entry of Great Britain into World War I
 
 

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu) <cgmpservices@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu) <cgmpservices@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:32 PM

Dear Mr. Robin Khundkar,
 
I agree that you never give your opponents upper hand to spoil you what Dr Moni has done even Bangladesh is a small country compare to India and has few limitation.  I will not start emailing back and fourth with Mr. Robin Khundkar what "Buffer" means.  You better find it yourself. 
 
I know what I have meant and I think many of ALOCHOC know what I have meant.  Change also starts from the top to bottom, now it depends what works best for Bangladesh based on reality and facts.
 
Regards,
M. M. Chowdhury

--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 8:50 PM

I think she did not know the meaning of "buffer" or she thought it was "butter". An Indian journalist "buttering" Bangladesh Foreign Minister what a great honor.
A few years ago when a West Bengal Minister addressed Sk. Hasina, the then Prime Minister as "The Chief Minister of Bangladesh" she also did not protest. She thought it was great honor from the Bharatiya Dadas.
 
SH
Toronto


From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:38:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: [Dahuk]: Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance

Dear Mr. Chowdhury:
Unfortunately, it seems you are playing to the gallery just like a politician. It seems you are playing to our fears by just repeating someone else's account of what was said.
I am unclear as to what exactly you are objecting to. The word buffer!!!
Please provide the context in which the remark was made, what offends you and why it offends.  Let us talk about it and take it up if it was real!!  Otherwise it is neither here nor there and does not help in moving things forward.
I think as a believer in Change Bangladesh, you must be able to look at every angle with no sacred cows. Surely you will agree with me on that.
Or do you believe like many of us in Alochona that we know everything and only the OTHER has to change. Thats not the kind of change I want put my marbles in.
In the wise words of that old fool Gandhiji (so many of us so-called MODERNS either are embarrased about as an old FOOL or disparage him as a Cunning HINDU) "You must be the change you want to see in the world".
Buffer statements are designed to soften the unfavorable news and establish some common ground with the receiver. Buffers are critical to the effectiveness of the indirect approach. Their use helps you to begin your communication on a positive note and to avoid an emphasis on the negative.

buffer state http://www.123exp- government. com/t/0377434540 2/

A buffer state is a country lying between two rival or potentially hostile greater powers, which by its sheer existence is thought to prevent conflict between them. Buffer states when authentically independent typically pursue a neutralist foreign policy, which distinguishes them from satellite states.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: "M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu)"
Sent: Feb 11, 2009 10:26 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: [Dahuk]: Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance

"Bangladesh did not get the independent state through anyone's blessings. We achieved it through liberation war and we'll protect it at any cost," said AL spokesman Syed Ashraful Islam.

His attention drawn to an Indian journalist's query to Foreign Minister Dipu Moni, outrageously dubbing Bangladesh as a 'buffer state', he said the Foreign Minister could not guess the importance of the issue in the face of the insidious remark.

The Foreign Minister, a fresher in the job of dealing with diplomatic parlance, kept silent when Bangladeshi journalists wanted to know her reaction over the Indian journalist's salvo calling Bangladesh 'buffer state'.

--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: [Dahuk]: Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 12:52 AM

I don't quite understand the idiotic outrage over the phase "buffer state". It simply means a state that acts as a neutral "buffer" between two hostile countries. A buffer state can be a geographical and/or political buffer. Mongolia, for example, acts as a "buffer state" between the two very hostile states, Russia and China. It's sad that our foreign minister doesn't understand the meaning of a "buffer state", and nor do most of our populace. For years, India has acted as a "buffer state" between Bangladesh and Myanmar. Ever wonder why Myanmar military junta with a larger army (and lots of Chinese and North Korean weapons) than that of Bangladesh doesn't invade Bangladesh?
 
Contrary to the original posting by Ms Chowdhury suggests, a buffer state is not a failed state, nor is it a proxy state. I am not sure how ISI is trying to prove Bangladesh is a failed state. Does anyone care to explain? If they are, does it really matter? At least we have a democratic government, no matter how inefficient it may be. What they have is a sham of a state, in-grown insurgency, stolen elections, military coups, and growing intolerance towards the seculars. Look up the words "lawless" and "failed state" in a dictionary, and you would see the map of Pakistan in it.
 
Just my two cents,
Cyrus


From: jahid russel <jahidrussel@ yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:44:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: [Dahuk]: Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance

do you guys know what is a buffer state?

--- On Tue, 2/10/09, M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu) <cgmpservices@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu) <cgmpservices@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [Dahuk]: Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com, chottala@yahoogroup s.com, dahuk@yahoogroups. com, khabor@yahoogroups. com, notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com, "Amra Bangladesi" <amra-bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com>, tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com, history_islam@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: dr.dipumoni@ gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:33 AM

She needs to step down for the sake of Bangladesh if she cares about Bangladesh.
 
Regards,
M M Chowdhury (Mithu), USA
www.changebanglades h.org

--- On Mon, 2/9/09, mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd @yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd @yahoo.com>
Subject: [Dahuk]: Our chomok foreign minister, Yes Hasina, madam dipu Moni's first performance
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com, chottala@yahoogroup s.com, dahuk@yahoogroups. com, khabor@yahoogroups. com, notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com, "Amra Bangladesi" <amra-bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com>, tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com, history_islam@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: dr.dipumoni@ gmail.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:33 PM

 
 Our so called well educated , harverd certified Madam Diu moni has agreed that Banladesh is a buffer state of pakistan
 
 
 
অতীতে বাংলাদেশের স্বার্থ বিসর্জন দিয়ে হলেও আলীগ ভারতের সাথে যেসব চুক্তি করেছে তার কোনটাই দাদারা বাস্তবায়ন করেনি । ভারতের সাথে আলীগের চুক্তি মানেই বাংলাদেশের স্বার্থ বিসর্জন নয় কি ?সর্বশক্তি দিয়ে প্রতিরোধ করা কি নাগরিক দায়িত্ব নয় ?


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Weekly Bengali Times <publicity.bengaliti mes@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Weekly Bengali Times <publicity.bengaliti mes@gmail. com>
Subject: Pak Intelligence is trying to prove that Bangladesh is a failure country....
To: admin.bengalitimes@ gmail.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 12:59 PM

Hi Dear/
Pakistani Inter Service Intelligence ISI is trying to prove that Bangladesh
is a failure country.Is it true?
International magazine News Week has published an exclusive report 
about Bangladesh. They said that Awami League has attached with Delhi. 
Do you want to know the details? 
Pls click here www.thebengalitimes .com 
The Canadian Bengali weekly Bengali Times current issue is in online now.
Pls visit Bengali Times online issue and send your feedback.
Bengali Times is always with you.
Regards,

Sunity Chowdhury
Sales and Publicity
Weekly Bengali Times
Toronto,Canada.














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