Did not realize that the discussion got off from the forum to personal level. I rather keep the discussion within the forum.
Thanks,
- mashuque
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Mashuque Rahman <mashuque@pacbell.net>
To: bidrohee <bidrohee@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:15:08 AM
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
From: bidrohee <bidrohee@yahoo.com>
To: Mashuque Rahman <mashuque@pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Mashuque Rahman <mashuque@...> wrote:
>
> No, absolutely not. There is a small (percentage-wise) dedicated group of people who are die-hard supporters of JI, Shibir, and some other militant groups. I do strongly believe most of the fringe militant (Islamic) groups are supported by JI in Bangladesh -- no I am not an Indian agent or paid agent of RAW! To create a massacre like the one in BDR, you don't need support of majority of the Bangladeshi people (actually if a good number of general people knew of it, it would have been stopped), you need a small group of fanatics who believe in some (misguided) ideology and would not mind sacrificing their lives for the greater "cause" they believe in. Just think about all the terrorist activities in Bangladesh and around the world, it is not supported by any large group of people, it has always been carried out a small group of people with misguided ideology.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - mashuque
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wohid bidrohee@...
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
>
>
> Mashuque, do you suggest the whole nation has become Jamaat? BAL got absolute majority this time and Jamaat got only two seats. However, from your contention it transpires that the whole country is full of Jamaatis that the anti-Jamaati forces with their absolute power cannot prevent or counter such alleged Jamaati brutality? Or is it an attempt to cover up pro-Indian awami brutality? How far you can deceive the people of the country by this type of blame game?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mashuque Rahman mashuque@pacbell. net>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com; baainews@yahoogroup s.com; bangla_ict@yahoogro ups.com; bangladeshi_ friends@yahoogro ups.com; bdresearchers@ yahoogroups. com; Bristi_Namai@ yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; Diagnose@yahoogroup s.com; Fariaz@yahoogroups. com; FutureOfBangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; odhora@yahoogroups. com; reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; Shetubondhon@ yahoogroups. com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; uttorshuri@yahoogro ups.com
> Cc: abuilla@yahoo. com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:56:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
>
>
> Nothing should be ruled out specially a combination of Jamaat and a small section of Army (driven by Jamaat ideology) being involved in the conspiracy whether it is all homegrown or not. With Jamaat infiltration into all the different branches of Army including the intelligence services, it will be very difficult to get to the bottom of this one (like all the other ones before) no matter how hard the govt really tries.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mr. Abul abuilla@yahoo. com>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com; baainews@yahoogroup s.com; bangla_ict@yahoogro ups.com; bangladeshi_ friends@yahoogro ups.com; bdresearchers@ yahoogroups. com; Bristi_Namai@ yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; Diagnose@yahoogroup s.com; Fariaz@yahoogroups. com; FutureOfBangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; odhora@yahoogroups. com; reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; Shetubondhon@ yahoogroups. com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; uttorshuri@yahoogro ups.com
> Cc: abuilla@yahoo. com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:00:32 PM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
>
>
> First of all, I pray for the departed souls who lost their lives during this BDR event.
>
> At the same time, I can't but mention the following points:
>
> 1. Who is going to talk about the corruption of Army during care taker Government? I know from my personal contacts that many Army officers did sky high corruption during that time. Please keep in mind that Army is such a force who does huge corruption, BUT nobody can catch them at any time. On the other hand they are gifted with MP nomination and eventually become minister as soon as they retire. This is the first time in BD that some Army officers had to give lives (except the Army killing by Ziaur Rahman in late '70s).
>
> 2. Anybody who has little bit of sense will understand that the BDR event was planned by experts who has clear knowledge about war planning. And in BD only two forces can do that -- one is Jamaat and the other is Army.
>
> 3. Was the helicopter crash just an accident? A Major General died and why is Army so quite? The helicopter was bought only three years back, isn't it unlikely to have an accident now??
>
> 4. The person who was allegedly driving the APC (so called bullet proof car) in Pilkhana committed suicide within custody? Is this just another accident?
>
> 5. Now come to the audio -- Army is trained for crisis management and war time situation. But the way the officers were talking to Sk Hasina, that was extremely emotional, immature and childlike. I can expect this from people like us, but NOT from Army officers. Why they were finger pointing and doing emotional blackmailing? Is this just sympathy or something else???
>
> 6. Why the officers put their hands on DAD Tauhid's mouth when he was trying to say something to the media ???
>
> So, we can never rull out Army's involvement in the whole event. As we have seen before, the main criminals will never be identified and some poor BDR folks (may be some DADs, jawans will be hanged).
>
> Sorry if I hurt anybody by any chance ............ ..
>
> Regards.
>
> -Mr. Abul
>
From: Mashuque Rahman <mashuque@pacbell.net>
To: bidrohee <bidrohee@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:15:08 AM
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
You raised some questions in your earlier post and I tried to respond to your questions and positions. I am not at all surprised that you did not find any logic in my response. I am opposed to any politics that plays with religion (any religion).
The only point in your earlier post I did not respond to was your assertion " .. is it an attempt to cover up pro-Indian awami brutality?" because I could not find anything AL can gain out of this mess within months of getting in power when it is obvious (not to you for sure) that the main goal for this brutal massacre was to drag the whole country into a war and topple the elected govt that is in power.
Thanks,
- mashuque
From: bidrohee <bidrohee@yahoo.com>
To: Mashuque Rahman <mashuque@pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
It seems you are starkly opposed to Jamati ideology so you must put all blames (yours and others') on Jamatis. We find no other logic in your argument. It might serve you so much complacence but doesn't buy us at all. - Wohid
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Mashuque Rahman <mashuque@...> wrote:
>
> No, absolutely not. There is a small (percentage-wise) dedicated group of people who are die-hard supporters of JI, Shibir, and some other militant groups. I do strongly believe most of the fringe militant (Islamic) groups are supported by JI in Bangladesh -- no I am not an Indian agent or paid agent of RAW! To create a massacre like the one in BDR, you don't need support of majority of the Bangladeshi people (actually if a good number of general people knew of it, it would have been stopped), you need a small group of fanatics who believe in some (misguided) ideology and would not mind sacrificing their lives for the greater "cause" they believe in. Just think about all the terrorist activities in Bangladesh and around the world, it is not supported by any large group of people, it has always been carried out a small group of people with misguided ideology.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - mashuque
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wohid bidrohee@...
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
>
>
> Mashuque, do you suggest the whole nation has become Jamaat? BAL got absolute majority this time and Jamaat got only two seats. However, from your contention it transpires that the whole country is full of Jamaatis that the anti-Jamaati forces with their absolute power cannot prevent or counter such alleged Jamaati brutality? Or is it an attempt to cover up pro-Indian awami brutality? How far you can deceive the people of the country by this type of blame game?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mashuque Rahman mashuque@pacbell. net>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com; baainews@yahoogroup s.com; bangla_ict@yahoogro ups.com; bangladeshi_ friends@yahoogro ups.com; bdresearchers@ yahoogroups. com; Bristi_Namai@ yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; Diagnose@yahoogroup s.com; Fariaz@yahoogroups. com; FutureOfBangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; odhora@yahoogroups. com; reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; Shetubondhon@ yahoogroups. com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; uttorshuri@yahoogro ups.com
> Cc: abuilla@yahoo. com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:56:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
>
>
> Nothing should be ruled out specially a combination of Jamaat and a small section of Army (driven by Jamaat ideology) being involved in the conspiracy whether it is all homegrown or not. With Jamaat infiltration into all the different branches of Army including the intelligence services, it will be very difficult to get to the bottom of this one (like all the other ones before) no matter how hard the govt really tries.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mr. Abul abuilla@yahoo. com>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com; baainews@yahoogroup s.com; bangla_ict@yahoogro ups.com; bangladeshi_ friends@yahoogro ups.com; bdresearchers@ yahoogroups. com; Bristi_Namai@ yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; Diagnose@yahoogroup s.com; Fariaz@yahoogroups. com; FutureOfBangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; odhora@yahoogroups. com; reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; Shetubondhon@ yahoogroups. com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; uttorshuri@yahoogro ups.com
> Cc: abuilla@yahoo. com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:00:32 PM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Some Thoughts About The BDR Massacare
>
>
> First of all, I pray for the departed souls who lost their lives during this BDR event.
>
> At the same time, I can't but mention the following points:
>
> 1. Who is going to talk about the corruption of Army during care taker Government? I know from my personal contacts that many Army officers did sky high corruption during that time. Please keep in mind that Army is such a force who does huge corruption, BUT nobody can catch them at any time. On the other hand they are gifted with MP nomination and eventually become minister as soon as they retire. This is the first time in BD that some Army officers had to give lives (except the Army killing by Ziaur Rahman in late '70s).
>
> 2. Anybody who has little bit of sense will understand that the BDR event was planned by experts who has clear knowledge about war planning. And in BD only two forces can do that -- one is Jamaat and the other is Army.
>
> 3. Was the helicopter crash just an accident? A Major General died and why is Army so quite? The helicopter was bought only three years back, isn't it unlikely to have an accident now??
>
> 4. The person who was allegedly driving the APC (so called bullet proof car) in Pilkhana committed suicide within custody? Is this just another accident?
>
> 5. Now come to the audio -- Army is trained for crisis management and war time situation. But the way the officers were talking to Sk Hasina, that was extremely emotional, immature and childlike. I can expect this from people like us, but NOT from Army officers. Why they were finger pointing and doing emotional blackmailing? Is this just sympathy or something else???
>
> 6. Why the officers put their hands on DAD Tauhid's mouth when he was trying to say something to the media ???
>
> So, we can never rull out Army's involvement in the whole event. As we have seen before, the main criminals will never be identified and some poor BDR folks (may be some DADs, jawans will be hanged).
>
> Sorry if I hurt anybody by any chance ............ ..
>
> Regards.
>
> -Mr. Abul
>
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