--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "hzahid77" <hzahid77@...> wrote:
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> Dear All -
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> Akbar Hossain wrote >>>The core truth is that religion is never a progressive idea because the very notion of a faith comes from fear and dogmas.<<<
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> What is religion? Are the Dharma and the religion same thing? For example, when we say water has dharma, it makes sense but when we say Islam is a dharma; hence water has islam, does it make sense? What malacious intent on his part to mingle this up and make his own context and create his own hateful propaganda? It must be exposed.
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> What is progressive idea? and What is not so progressive idea to him? And what are the differences between the two? that relates to Islam in his view with credible facts from the quran.
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> What is fear and dogma? what Islam's edicts in his view are dogmatic and fearful? Must provide with credible references from the Quran.
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> What is faith? is Islam a faith? what makes a faith a faith? Let's not get away this guy with his sinful intent to misguide us with his narrow political opportunist.
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> Is it politics or agression that when one nation sends 100 or 200 hundred thousands of its heavily armed troops across a border and subjugates its peace loving people and kills three millions of her citizens? If it requires a faith then Hindus and chrisnity faith have done that.
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> Is there any recent history that Islam has done that?
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> Let's not get away this fellow with his extreme hindu-right-wing views in disguise and blaming Islam for dividing his ancestral homeland.
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> I had asked of him in the past of how the word science speak for itself have not got any response ever since.
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> I want him to answer these questions as he rightfully recogniszed that the politicians are rarely intellectuals or social reformers. so i want him to fill the intellectual and reformers gap of politicans for us.
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> One thing I find of this fellow's views are consistent with Cyrus' views in terms of India's disunification and reunification motives are playing in their respective propaganda technique. or perhaps Cyrus and Akbar are the same person in two different names as an RAW agent working for india's interest?
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Akbar Hussain <akbar_50@> wrote:
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> Mr.Ezajur Rahman wrote,
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> Which other country splits its young boys into two distinct and opposing groups at a young age? It is social and political suicide. Oh wait! Pakistan does it too!
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> I find this comment is very thought provoking and intelligent. But the unfortunate truth is that politicians are rarely intellectuals or social reformers. They are short sighted and mean too. The sad state of Pakistan should work as an eye opener to any reasonable person how religion can be used to destroy the very foundation of a modern nation. The core truth is that religion is never a progressive idea because the very notion of a faith comes from fear and dogmas. It's very dangerous to think or accept that a nation can be administered through religious edicts. Talking
> > of faith as a source of inspiration or total guidance is totally insane and
> > this is very much evident in the case of Pakistan, a nation which was created on a profoundly wrong
> > notion of faith. Pakistan sustained itself from 1947 to this day by creating a
> > religious passion and the consequences are in front of us. The tragic division
> > of India in the name of religion was a blunder and the whole
> > subcontinent is paying for this blunder, now.
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> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:55:45 +0000
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Let the truth be said.
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> > Dear Alochok Jamil
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> > No problems regarding our segregated education system are about to start. The problems have already started. The trouble is that our chicken**** political parties have no backbone to tackle the real social problems of our country. Far easy to talk about the past, tease the opposition and get the Japanese to build another bridge.
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> > Which other country splits its young boys into two distinct and opposing groups at a young age? It is social and political suicide. Oh wait! Pakistan does it too!
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> > I have no problem admitting that there are good madrassahs and good madrassah students. But that does not justify tearing the heart of our country in two. We need dialogue and leadership to bring all our young into the same classroom. Maybe we need to bring Islam more into our mainstream education. Whatever the solution is let the dialogue begin for God's sake.
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> > Look at Awami League's parliamentary majority! Look at the rhetoric of Awami League! Is now not the best time to address the issue of madrassah education? But they won't. Cowards.
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> > But all governments are the same. Complain about ngos but do nothing about them when in power. Complain about madrassahs but do nothing about them when in power. Just to save money. Filthy, filthy thinking.
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> > I have met a lot of fine men who had a madrassah education when they were young. I have met a lot of fine men who have argued for the madrassah system.
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> > Not one of them sent their children to a madrassah.
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> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Jamil Ahmed <jamil_dhaka@> wrote:
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> > > May be some bombing here and there will create enough fear among
> > > Bangladesh to stop all Madrasah. I don't like the system of� � Madrasah
> > > anyway but creating fear to create division among muslim will not serve us well.
> > > � What need is useful education for all, good� science and math � teacher at Madrasah.
> > > Only then there will have even plane field for all.
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> > > From: haquetm83@ haquetm83@
> > > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Let the truth be said.
> > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com, reform-bd@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:32 AM
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> > > Hate campaign against Qawmi Madrasah or madrash education (islmaic education) is nothing but orchestrating or creating a fear factors and solely diverted against Islam or Muslims.
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> > > While they (those preachers under the guise of secularism or else) enormously become successful in their relentless endeavor to bring Muslim down (which they will of course deny) that also goes hand in hand with the imperialist design� or hegemonic control - as part of their so called security reason or foreign policy there of (which most of the Bangladeshi diasphora� in the west even at denial state -calls it imaginary).
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> > > Wish they understood what means education, save the religious belief, or right to education for all. Had they understood, they would tell, atleast uttered in some form that a prototype of� Qawmi system that is cheapest, generous,� self generated and self regulated -i.e without any frame work of regulations and control may be copied so that vast majority of poorest can access some form of education - free and often with food incentive.
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> > > Had they understood, instead, they would� have� spirited enthusiasm to modify or develop the structure to facilitate so that a son or a daughter of a peasant who earns less than a dollar, can not pay for tuition, often for food even, can learn how to read his history, manage his own account (basic math) and know his creator and the� virtues in life.
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> > > Because their crocodile tears for 'right and education' only to deceive those poor learners from any form of education while the whole governement mechanism sit lam duck on the issue with many pretexts. Exactly that is� what they cry for.
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> > > Looking at the structured education and its quality and the way those preachers dominate ruthlessly� under the protection of their protector only made bangladeshi education and its institutions breeding place for corruption and its breeders. 37 years on, they have achieved very little and have no intention to improve it. they may be complacent with their� so called reform program but I am not and can not be.� Because I want real education� that is effective and pragmatic and knowledge bearing, whether in literature, science, politics, economics, religion or anthropology.
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> > > For a true learner there is no short cut to knowledge, a meticulous process without any hinderance is the only way to earn it. As there is no short cut to heaven, no quick process to� get enlightened also.
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> > > Those� half educated Mollah at Qawmi or Alia Madrasahs and� politically appointed professors or teachers in our schools do nothing good but bring� chaos and undermine our� desperate effort to climb the ladder.
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> > > If little educated (who can only get employed here to make a living) Mollas are dangerous with their short cut theories to heaven so is those subservient, parasital, politically appointed or privileged teachers. And this is the truth. Either you are with those poors or with those perpatrators.� You are free to choose your option.
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> > > (Those fear mongers learnt their lesson from Hitler's policy of creating fear before the onslaught.� I do not see the leader who could say to us 'you have nothing to fear but fear itself')
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> > > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, Akbar Hussain akbar_50@ wrote:
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> > > From: Akbar Hussain akbar_50@
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Let the truth be said.
> > > To: "alochona group" alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 4:14 AM
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> > > There is a long standing conviction among the conservative Muslim circle that Madrassa education is holy and essential to continue Islamic teachings. This belief in the Madrassa education was never shared by the majority in the Islamic communities around the world. The reality is that most of the Muslim children go for modern education avoiding institutional religious learning. But the demons created in the Madrassas around the world harvest on the fear factor which is the main pillar of Islam. � To be frank Madrassa education is there to produce some most reactionary minds ready to challenge the changing times and modern enlightenments. It’s a wrong perception that Islam should stand alone as a religion and should still continue to claim that it’s a complete code of life. A philosophical basis of life does not depend on any faiths specific preaching’s. This wrong historical fallacy is the only curricula that are being taught in the Madrassas and a
> > > perpetual platform for conflict is created. The notion of a supreme fear which was used by Prophet Mohammad to discipline the pagan Arabs of Mecca has travelled to these days which still dominate the general Muslim psyche. The evil of fear can’t be accepted to guide a person’s life in his search for goodness. It’s tantamount to serving Satan in the name of religion. There is an unbearable and deafening silence among the Muslims to confront the evil of religious extremism is self destructive. In a sleepy village of Bhola in Bangladesh arms and ammunition has been discovered in a Madrassa funded by a fundamentalist from London . Who is the enemy in Bangladesh ? An 85% Muslim nation? Looking at the current upsurge of Islamic extremism one can safely conclude that Islam as a faith is helpless to guide its followers to the right path. Time has come to realize that every suicide bomber is potentially destroying a minaret of Islam. It’s just a matter
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Something seriously needs to be cleared out. Pakistan is a state that is close to be called a failed state, if it elects people like Mr.10%, I personally believe that it has a very bleak future. The Taliban control it, and it wants to control more of it.
Secondly, Islamic law is great, but one thing that people fail to realise that it is a guide to how things should be done, they think it is a full implementation, whereas, they are simply guidelines. So if something is shown to be seriously punished, it means that it has to be handled with the situation in that time. Furthermore, religion is what keeps Bangladesh alive, how do u possibly imagine such as corrupt system can maintain a population of 150 million.
Thirdly, the Awami League does have credits, it is the political party that freed and liberated Bangladesh, and under its command we gained Bangladesh. But, the party has been using this as an excuse to get themselves elected, and also a cover up for their ppl like Haji Selim, and also they failed and corrupt system. So I personally think that we need to get over the history and get on with the mystery that is our future. Furthermore, AL, is far too sensetive about their reputation. We all know that BNP’s claim that Zia is the father of the nation is an absolute lie, and they are just doing it because they want to **** off AL, and its working. They also do it because our simple minded JONOGON will vote for the AL. No matter what ppl say, AL has workers even at the grass root level, and BNP really does not compare to the sheer size that AL alone possesses. This however, in no way shows that AL is better, its just bigger and has a larger impact on Bangladesh's history.
Fourthly, when on God's earth are we going to stop competing with Pakistan, we are already better that them, I mean in no way can we be more screwed up than them man, so for the love of god, stop bringing that damn thing up again and again and again, Mr. Ezajur Rahman makes bold comments and he is respectably intelligent, however, we need to get on with more pressing issues such as how to improve things like the water system, and the electricity system instead of just fighting over opinion, some people have such stubborn opinion that they believe that Zia is the promised leader and no matter what u say, they will have no trouble kissing his feet. So, take my advice the great alochok thinkers, just get over with Pakistan, settle the differences and work for the future, what is done is done and in no way can we change it. We need to look at the bigger picture ppl, that we have a population of 150 million and we better get our minds to work because very soon the streets of Bangladesh is going to be impossible to move in.
Fifthly, there is nothing wrong with Madrasa education, its just the education that we provide in our madrassas are run by a bunch of Pig header Mollahs, in fact the greatest of Japanese scientists have found new means of technology from within the Quran, so all those who think that innovation cannot be gotten from old religious beliefs, u are all bloody wrong and very stupidly ignorant, you all believe in screwed up generalisation that have been passed on for many years for centuries, so if u want to believe in that than do so, I don’t care byt remember, that we have the power of speech, we cannot afford to abuse it and give our younger generations the wrong idea.
All the people who think that Islam is the wrong religion u are hell wrong man, cuz u seem to combine Islam with this horrid, feral and heinous crime that we call 'terrorism'. We condemn it, and those who cant hear it out loud enough get hearing aid. Furthermore, those who insult other religions should be very careful with their use of language, remember, what you write reflects upon what your religion teaches you, and the guy who said that Islam is evil, is very rude and is utterly an impotent to fall into the generalisations and the false fears of many populations.
Sixthly, it the the aggressive and rude attitude of those who call other ppl's religion evil, that have hindered Bangladesh's growth, ppl we are looking to find similarities and from that build a friendship that can advance the Nation, for divide ourselves, are we all that blind?
Every point is valid in discussion; however, not every valid point is one that should be mentioned. Not every point deserves recognition, not every point is well thought out. Those of you who are dumb enough to understand the larger scale of things will realise that Bangladesh still has not had its industrial revolution, so please lets seal the differences and get on with building on the things that we as Bangladeshis have in common. If it takes a high school kid to point this out to so many ppl, learned and respectable, we are rlly messed up.
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