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Tuesday, July 14, 2009

[mukto-mona] Allah's 10 Commandments



 

Atif/ Mubashir/ Enayet/ Ramjaan/ Mufassil/ Shabbir/ Zahid & AbuSayeed & Faiz>

You write, "Dr. Shabbir has made his point by showing the truth of "Holy" Books. No need to go on and on. They needed to be exposed because many of them perhaps don't even read their own books. Prophet said, Just leave them alone and let God to deal with them.  He, the Most High, knows far better how to deal with those who offend Him.  Guidance is for God alone, after Truth has been presented".

 

 In my post of May 27th, 2009, here is what I wrote, quoting Holly Quran:

  1. You can keep a slave--captured in war.
  2. You can have sex with your slave without marriage
  3. You can keep concubines and enjoy sex without marriage ( A woman cannot enjoy it because it would be considered Adultery)
  4. You can beat your wife (if she is not a good woman) But A woman cannot beat her Husband if he is really a bad man.
  5. Your husband can keep 4 women at a time. (a wife does not even like her mother-in-law or a sister-in-law living in her husband's house—how a dignified woman will allow another woman in her bed)
  6. Your husband can do a Muta marriage for as little as one week
  7. Man is one step above women
  8. Women's testimony is half of a man's testimony
  9. You are the property of your Father, brother and your husband
  10. You should love Mohammad and Allah more than your Father, mother, and children! You can dump them for sake of Allah

Dr. Shabbir, the Scholar of Islam, Challenged me to show him the verses regarding the sex with slave girls in the Holly Quran, without marriage. When I showed the Verse---this blind slave of Allah—instead of acknowledging the error in Quran---ran away from the scene. That is when I developed my Universal Dua for all the Liars of the World. I challenge, any Islamic Scholar in the world to meet me face to face, on these 10 commandments, in a Court room in London or Washington. Let the Judge decide whether I have quoted Quran 'wrongfully and out of context'.
 
SaifDevdas
islam1234@msn.com




 

From: tahirakhan@comcast.net
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CC: lalhgehi@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS - Mubashir
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:26:58 -0400

I completely agree with br. Atif.  Muslims are hurting themselves and other Muslims much more than hurting the Hindus on these forums.  The Qur'anic advice matches well with what Atif wrote.  When the Qur'an is being mocked at and the Prophet of Islam ridiculed, we are told to ignore the mockers and not associate with them until they come to realize their misconduct.  Just leave them alone and let God to deal with them.  He, the Most High, knows far better how to deal with those who offend Him. 
 
Atif's advice needs to be heeded.  It will help manage the anger and the bad language many people, including Muslims, are engaging in.
 
I think the majority of Hindus don't care as much about their religion as majority of the Muslims do.  So if you think you can hurt Hindus by quoting from their sacred books, like Ramayana, think again.  They may be actually enjoying it!
 
Irfan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS - Mubashir

Good point Mr. Atif,
 
It would have been nice to see you caution Islam bashers to use civilised language!! When people go out of bounds, they need to be reminded.
 
Dr. Shabbir has made his point by showing the truth of "Holy" Books. No need to go on and on. They needed to be exposed because many of them perhaps don't even read their own books!!!
 
He quoted from their books without using filthy language. He has the books and not making anything up. We have noted that none of those attacking Islam have come up with any explanations for what was quoted.
 
I suggest one easy solution: list their names on spam filters, or simply delete their messages.
 
Guidance is for God alone, after truth has been presented.
 
Have a great day, and thanks.
 
Mubashir

 

From: Atif <atif98@yahoo.com>
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Cc: lalhgehi@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:36:27 PM
Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS - Mubashir

Dear Mubashir,
 
Let me give you an example for these people who are perceived as "Islam Hater"
 
They are not misguided as many of us might think, They are not Islam hater as many of us might think.
 
These people are like fruit flies
 
The fruit fly comes by and buzz around you even if you do not wish to engage and ignore it and some time you don't even want to kill the fruit fly it continues to nag you and once you are furstrated enough and are engaged you end up slapping your face and any part of body that fly sits on.
 
This is how angry and frustrated you get with a fly.
 
And fly when sits on you  it is only capable of doing one thing...  leaving filth on you.
 
These people in these forums are gathered around Muslim just as if flies would come in your house and sit and leave filth any thing they find.
 
you chase them and they start to fly around making even more buzz some time they go away for few minutes and come back doing the same thing again.
 
Now I would not make any suggestion of how we normally treat flies because that would be taken out of context here.
 
Intention of these people is as follows;
 
Create frustration and anger among Muslims, and spread as much filth as they can.
 
So why are we doing this?
 
why are we expecting flies not to leave filth because that's what they are designed to do?
why are we slapping our own face in attempt to hurt these flies?
 
Simply shush them away without being engaged.
Close the door (door of conversation)
These flies will eventually go away.
 
And keep in mind that no mater what you do you can not clean a fly and or convert a fly into honey bee.
 
Atif
 
 
 
 


--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS
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Cc: lalhgehi@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:29 PM

Sorry Sir. We don't belong to a Non-Muslim hating culture. That is another of your many assumptions. I guess you take it that way as you do it all the time to others.
 
We only question those engage in discussions using abusive and filthy language even when we are being civilised and polite to them.
 
Yes, the Qur'an is right. We are not to bad mouth their gods but to describe what they believe in is no crime as long as it is done in a non abusive manner.
 
Now, can I please get an answer to my question. Did you ask those using abusive and filthy language against Muhammad (S) to stop? If not why not?
 
Mubashir

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Cc: lalhgehi@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:09:47 PM
Subject: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS

Atif here sets himself apart from the crowd by even providing Moslims the Qoraanic References for what I wrote. I'm proud of him for being honest instead of keep insisting that I'm wrong like so famous Dr. Shabbir, Mobashir and some others, who have become a part of Non Moslim Hating Culture created by Mollaas, Pakistan Establishment and Pak Army. Almost all Moslims have lost Sense of Decency because that's not taught by our Mollaas.
 
I had always thought Dr. Shabbir was against all that but his this outburst makes me believe, its not his fault. He is just going senile because of his age. I have to also inform the JehaaDi hiding behind fake ID of 'Ahumanb', I'm not gaulible, you are and don't even know this.   

--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Atif <atif98@yahoo.com> wrote:
I feel very sad and some time angry when I read vulgarity ...
I can understand thoes who are attaking Islam are here for this agenda but Muslims should seek guidance from Quran in such mater and try to avoid going down at the same level..
 
THIS IS WHAT QURAN STATES
 
 
Al-Anaam
Had Allâh willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship. And We have not made you a watcher over them nor are you a Wakil (disposer of affairs, guardian or trustee) over them. (6:107)
 
And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh, lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair¬seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.[] (6:108)
 
And they swear their strongest oaths by Allâh, that if there came to them a sign, they would surely believe therein. Say: "Signs are but with Allâh and what will make you (Muslims) perceive that (even) if it (the sign) came, they will not believe?" (6: 109)
 
 
Please avoid this useless discussion it only adds further sin on our own accounts.
 
Atif
 

--- On Mon, 7/13/09, mubaschir <mubashir@rogers.com> wrote:
Mr. Turkman,
 
Where did Dr. Shabbir use filthy language to attack Hindu Gods or beliefs?
 
You don't get the point. In response to virulent and filthy attacks by Lal and Company, Dr. Shabbir, after holding his patience for two plus years, and given them enough warning to refrain, he  is only showing them their scriptures and asking them whether they know about it or if they can explain them?
 
If being attacked and requested not to do so, you can only take so much!
 
You don't have to resort to filthy and abusive language to make a point. However, if your scriptures are public property, any body is free to quote from them.
 
We don't have a preacher class in Islam. We are all supposed to invite others to the straight way according to our capacity.
 
If you believe you are on the right track, then you should be man enough to defend it if attacked, like you are doing now.
 
Have a nice day!
 
Mubashir
 
 

From: Ahumanb [mailto:ahumanb@yahoo.com]
When you can't defend your religion with logic, rationality, science, and common sense, it becomes mythology! LOL! Is this a cheap way to escape the fact! Why don't your priests and purohits then announce worldwide that your religion is nothing but a set of mythology? Why are they still trying to deceive gullible people like yourself?!


--- On Mon, 7/13/09, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


Mr. Mubashir,
Its not, what I can stand and what I can't because I have no pride. People with False Pride and Fake Honor can't stand this or that because they forget one day they would become nothing but Dirt.
 
I keep silent, when obscenities are thrown at me by JehaaDi Moslims and Mollaas, not only when they are thrown at Prophet of Islam. Its not that I keep silent on Attacks by some Hindus, Non Moslims and others because my keeping silent is a Sin and I want to commit that Sin. Its that none of the Attackers were Preachers of their religions and Dr. Shabbir is an authentic Preacher of Islam, who distributes the books that he has written, free.
 
I asked him a question and his anwer is, he is not a Saint. Now I have another question for him and that is. ...
 
"Where does in Qoraan or Hadith it says a Preacher of Islam has to be a Saint if he does not take to using obscsenities, foul language and devulges in Pornographic stuff of other religions just inspite of people of other religions doing the same?"
 
Clearly, Dr. Shabbir is out of line because no good Moslim is allowed to say anything against Dieties of other religions, may they be of Hindu Religion according to Shriyah Law that you people want to impose on all Moslims of the world even in Non Moslim Countries. What I'm finding is, Preachers of Islamic Shriyah do not know, what Islamic Shriyah is.
 
Answer to other question he has raised is, Hindu Religion is so ancient that it has become a Mytholody. Islam is moving in that direction itself if Logic and Reason does not prevail and you people keep insisting that every word of Qoraan is for till Eternity, when you already know, how many of its verses have become obsolete.
 
Do you see me answering attacks on Personal Life the Prophet likewise attacking Hindu Dieties like Dr. Shabbir has?
The job of a Preacher is to just preach Islam and not only him but Moslim is allowed use of foul language, obscenities and attacking Dieties of other religion at all according to Shriyah Law. You are not supposed to answer if someone uses foul language of obscenities according to Shriyah Law. My question is, why are you so far away from Basics of Islam that you people do not know all this?


--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Moby Inayet <mubashir@rogers.com> wrote:


So, Turkman, with his selective memory, does not appreciate the books being quoted are Hindu Scriptures?? Deal with the message Turkman and don't shoot the messenger who could not take any more attacks on his faith for more than two years and when you were quiet!!

Sorry, you asked for it. Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Mubashir

From: drshabbir@bellsouth.net [mailto:drshabbir@bellsouth.net]

Sir,

Shabbir is no saint and he is only quoting from their books. Tell me where the Sewage Rat has disappeared. He had been reviling the noble ones for two years.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Why God Brahma is not worshiped anymore

     

G  God Brahma had non-stop one week of thrusty and pushy intercourse with his own daughter Sarswati. Although Sarswati enjoyed it but Brahma's pooja will bring curse to the pujaris, the Mandir, and the whole town.

    

And even Sita, in the more authentic versions of the Ramayana, was the sister of Rama. ("Secrets of My Scripture" by Bal Ganga Dhar Tilak)

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-------------- Original message from S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net>: --------------

I had no idea, the saintly Preacher of Islam Dr. Shabbir was also in to Pronographic Literature.

Is this, how your Prophet had taught you to preach Islam ...? 

He must be going senile.

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, drshabbir@bellsouth.net <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Sita told Rama, "You are no better than a woman-monger who lets his wife for hire and makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution." Sita also told Rama "You are IMPOTENT, and lack in manly manners and charm" and she called her husband a BUDDHOO (Foolish simpleton).

As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan's palace, her love towards Ravan grew more and more by the minute. Ravan stripped Sita naked and rubbed and  rode her soft white body with his hands, feet and the Cobra like ORGAN. (Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54).

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-------------- Original message from Ahumanb <ahumanb@yahoo.com>: --------------

Mr. Devdas,

Are you trying to convert us to Brahminism aka Hinduism? Do you want us to believe that the Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Gita, Upanishadas, Manusmirity, etc. books are the revelation from God? Do you want us to start burning our innocent widows alive? Do you want us to treat our fellow humans in general and women in particular like slaves and animals? Do you want us to kill our newborn daughters? Do you want us to start talking dowry from brides? Do you want us to believe that the souls of terrorists, criminals, and mass murderers will be transformed to animals and plants for punishment? And this is called the doctrine of reincarnation? Do you want us to worship Man Gods, Monkey God, Elephant head God, Rat Gods, Snake Gods, etc? Which caste do you want us to convert to, btw?

SMR:





 

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