[mukto-mona] Re: Moslims renouncing Islam

On this floating planet of ours, matter turned into a strange form -- it stood up and started walking! But does that mean we will have to believe in a god?

Religious gods simply do not have the depth and breadth to cope with the modern ego. It is, therefore, fading away. Lament you not, muslim intellectuals! Rejoice, new ones are on the way>

-Tistarbahe

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, S Turkman <turkman@...> wrote:
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> If you are right then, the question is, how come more Moslims are renouncing Islam than Non Moslims converting?
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>  *  According to a Mollaa on Al Jazirah T V, 4 million Moslims are converting to Christianity every year.
> *  In Former Communist Countries tens of millions have renounced Islam since 1992 and some Mosques are now being closed-down since nobody goes there anymore.  
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> A lot of Moslims are scared to renounce Islam because they can be assassinated by Moslim Extremists otherwise, there would be a lot more of such people.
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> Ex-Muslims Demand Right to Renounce Islamic Faith
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> Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Are Ehsan Jami's methods promoting religious tolerance in the Netherlands?
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> Controversially, 9/11 was chosen as the date to sign the "European Declaration for Tolerance." It aims to draw attention to what the former Muslims see as the lack of freedom of religion within Islam.
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> Former Muslims from several European countries signed the declaration in the Hague on the sixth anniversary of the terror attacks in the United States Tuesday. Other signatories included many well-known Dutch politicians, authors and journalists.
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> The date of the declaration, Sept.11, was symbolically chosen in order to condemn the terror and intolerance perpetuated by radical Islamic militants, though critics argue that choosing the date unfairly links Islam to terrorism.
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> The ex-Muslim committees from the Netherlands, Britain, Germany and the Scandinavian countries wanted to draw attention to what they refer to as the "lack of freedom of religion within Islamic culture."
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> Ex-Muslim, Ehsan Jami, an Iranian-born Dutchman, launched the initiative to sign the Declaration of Tolerance. Jami, 22, a Labour Party member of the city council in a district near The Hague, has been attacked for his views three times.
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> "There are five sharia schools in Islam which say if you leave Islam you must be killed," Jami, 22, told Reuters in an interview.
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> Muslims are not allowed to renounce their faith, according to a strict interpretation of Islam and those who do are subject to imprisonment or death in some Muslim countries.
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> Ex-Muslims reignite divisive debate over Islam
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> The movement of Muslim apostate committees, which was spearheaded earlier this year by Jami and Mina Ahadi, an Iranian living in Germany, has reignited a divisive debate about Islam and has put the lives of such self-declared "ex-Muslims" in danger.
> In Germany, Ahadi also lives under heavy police protection.
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> Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  Mina Ahadi, head of German committee of ex-Muslims, which has 400 members
> In highly publicized interviews, Jami's blunt attacks on Islam has offended many Dutch Muslims and commentators have drawn comparisons between the local politician and the rhetoric of right-wing politician Geert Wilders, who has called for complete ban of the Quran.
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> Jami has referred to the Muslim prophet Mohammed as "criminal," compared Islam to fascism and Nazism, and explained that he decided to launch the committee of former Muslims to call attention to "persistent taboos" about renouncing the Islamic faith.  
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> Divided support for ex-Muslim group
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> Initially, the Labour Party did not support Jami and his committee, and the Dutch Vice-Prime Minister Wouter Bos told the news daily Volkskrant he did not approve of such a committee that "offends Muslims and their faith."
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> But the Dutch public rallied around Jami, putting pressure on Jacques Tichelaar, Labour's parliamentary leader to sign a declaration of support for the ex-Muslim committee.
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> However, Han Noten, who is the Dutch senate's Labour faction leader, criticized his party's stance.
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> In a commentary for Wednesday's NRC Handelsbad newspaper, he said the Committee of Ex-Muslims was "oversimplifying reality" and that Jami's methods succeeded in "polarizing society."
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> "Signing the declaration on September 11 can only be interpreted as a provocation," Noten added. "It suggests… that former Muslims are innocent and Muslims are guilty."
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> The right to renounce the Islamic faith
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> Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  Theo van Gogh, a filmmaker who criticized Islam was murdered in Amsterdam in 2004
> Jami's "Committee of Ex-Muslims" wants imams and Muslims to recognize fellow Muslims' religious rights, including the right leave the faith.
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> "We are breaking the taboo that comes with renouncing Islam, but also taking a stand for reason, universal rights and values and secularism," said a declaration signed by Jami, Ahadi of the German chapter, and their British counterpart Maryam Namazie, who is also of Iranian origin.
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> Ahadi, who belongs to the German group called "Wir haben abgeschworen," meaning "We have renounced," said it was significant that the three leaders were from Iran, since they had all witnessed the political repression under the Islamic Republic firsthand.
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> There are some 400 committee members in Germany, including non-Muslim Germans, according to Ahadi. The British council of ex-Muslims has around 70 members, and Jami's committee has only two official members.
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> "We have received hundreds of support e-mails and that's what counts," Jami told the AFP news agency. "We're more of a movement."
> www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2779524,00.html
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> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, AbuSayeed Rahman <abusayeedr@...> wrote:
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> I must appreciate the person/persons who could convince/convert three great Guys
> like SKM, Saif Devdas and Mohammad Asghar  !!!!
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> They talk in same line and in same tune.
> (are they financed by the same source??)
> I do not know their 'religion' but their writings/postings all indicate that they are
> on the 'Crusade' against Islam  !!
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> I am just wondering what benefit they are getting from their sponsors  !
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> Is that benefit worthy enough to sacrifice the life here after ???
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> If someone doesn't believe in the life here after, then it is OK.
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> But if they  believe, then on what basis they are ready to sacrifice that ??
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> The standing of 'Islam' will never be dented by their effort.
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> Dr Abu Sayeed
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> Khurram
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> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@...> wrote:
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> Dear Modern Day Apostle of Allah>
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> WoW! What a Big Time--Big-Bang answer to This Quranic Big-Bang Theory! O' all the Truth-Seekers of the World, let us all commit ourselves to the Art of Truth Telling---to Tell the Truth Like it is---Look for the Truth---Live for the Truth, Search for the Truth, and Speak nothing but the Truth--Even if you find Allah is standing in the way of Truth---Remove Him from the path! We have nothing to fear, nobody to fear, and we intend to Shame the Devil by telling the Truth. If we must pay the ultimate price to tell the Truth--So be it! No more lies! No more self-deception!  By the way, The Nobel Laureate, Professor Abdus Salam warned the Muslims not to rely too much on the Quran's Big Bang Theory, for, what will happen 50 years from now, if Big Bang Theory is proven false? 
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> SaifDevdas
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