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Saturday, July 11, 2009

[mukto-mona] Re: Moslims renouncing Islam

the following 5 things are considered Islamic

1) There is no god in Islam and Allha is the dark-matter which has two components: hu narun nurun(light upon light) ie., electromegnetic.
2) The prayer(salat) and the followings are the things we say to yourself and practice it as a form of prayer.

The path of Grace(=path of those who obtain Grace)
Not the Path of Sin(=path of those who deliberately go wrong).
Nor the Path of Error(=path of those who by mistake go astray).

The Path of Grace, i.e., the straight path is - the mean between two extremes — the path of deliberate sinners on the one hand and the path of unwitting stragglers on the other.

The mean between two extremes mean - Allah loves middle path - to be and not th be, that's the middle path.

3) Charity: give alms to the poor people who are orphan or financially incapable.
4) Fasting(Ramadan) to purify your body and soul.
5) Pilgrimage - A pilgrimage is a long journey for knowledge moral significance.

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@...> wrote:
>
> According to Fernand Braudel, Ibn Sina wondered about how Prophet Muhammad,
> the intelligent man as he was, could preach such rubbish as abounds in his
> religious literature. Then he came up with his solution:- since common man
> is usually of limited intelligence, he needs a quick answer to all problems,
> easy or difficult. He needs a God of some sort, then that God has to be
> almighty in course of time. Though he fails to control the Devil for ever,
> he needs to be worshipped. But for any intelligent person, religion is
> nonbinding. He can make his own code of life depending on the environment.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Akbar Hussain <akbar_50@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > If faith is a personal matter anyone should have the right to renounce a
> > faith.
> >
> > Akbar Hussain
> >
> >
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> > From: turkman@...
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:38:53 -0700
> > Subject: [mukto-mona] Moslims renouncing Islam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If you are right then, the question is, how come more Moslims are
> > renouncing Islam than Non Moslims converting?
> >
> > * According to a Mollaa on Al Jazirah T V, 4 million Moslims are
> > converting to Christianity every year.
> > * In Former Communist Countries tens of millions have renounced Islam
> > since 1992 and some Mosques are now being closed-down since nobody goes
> > there anymore.
> >
> > A lot of Moslims are scared to renounce Islam because they can be
> > assassinated by Moslim Extremists otherwise, there would be a lot more of
> > such people.
> > Ex-Muslims Demand Right to Renounce Islamic Faith
> >
> > [image: Dutch schoolchildren of various religions holding hands]<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524,00.html>
> > *Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Are Ehsan Jami's methods
> > promoting religious tolerance in the Netherlands?<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524,00.html>
> > *
> > Controversially, 9/11 was chosen as the date to sign the "European
> > Declaration for Tolerance." It aims to draw attention to what the former
> > Muslims see as the lack of freedom of religion within Islam.
> >
> >
> > Former Muslims from several European countries signed the declaration in
> > the Hague on the sixth anniversary of the terror attacks in the United
> > States Tuesday. Other signatories included many well-known Dutch
> > politicians, authors and journalists.
> >
> >
> >
> > The date of the declaration, Sept.11, was symbolically chosen in order to
> > condemn the terror and intolerance perpetuated by radical Islamic militants,
> > though critics argue that choosing the date unfairly links Islam to
> > terrorism.
> >
> >
> >
> > The ex-Muslim committees from the Netherlands, Britain, Germany and the
> > Scandinavian countries wanted to draw attention to what they refer to as the
> > "lack of freedom of religion within Islamic culture."
> >
> >
> >
> > Ex-Muslim, Ehsan Jami, an Iranian-born Dutchman, launched the initiative to
> > sign the Declaration of Tolerance. Jami, 22, a Labour Party member of the
> > city council in a district near The Hague, has been attacked for his views
> > three times.
> >
> >
> >
> > "There are five sharia schools in Islam which say if you leave Islam you
> > must be killed," Jami, 22, told Reuters in an interview.
> >
> >
> >
> > Muslims are not allowed to renounce their faith, according to a strict
> > interpretation of Islam and those who do are subject to imprisonment or
> > death in some Muslim countries.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Ex-Muslims reignite divisive debate over Islam*
> >
> >
> >
> > The movement of Muslim apostate committees, which was spearheaded earlier
> > this year by Jami and Mina Ahadi, an Iranian living in Germany, has
> > reignited a divisive debate about Islam and has put the lives of such
> > self-declared "ex-Muslims" in danger.
> >
> > In Germany, Ahadi also lives under heavy police protection.
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: Portrait of Mina Ahadi, head of German committee of ex-Muslims]<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_1,00.html>
> > *Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Mina
> > Ahadi, head of German committee of ex-Muslims, which has 400 members<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_1,00.html>
> > *
> >
> > In highly publicized interviews, Jami's blunt attacks on Islam has offended
> > many Dutch Muslims and commentators have drawn comparisons between the local
> > politician and the rhetoric of right-wing politician Geert Wilders, who has
> > called for complete ban of the Quran.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jami has referred to the Muslim prophet Mohammed as "criminal," compared
> > Islam to fascism and Nazism, and explained that he decided to launch the
> > committee of former Muslims to call attention to "persistent taboos" about
> > renouncing the Islamic faith.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Divided support for ex-Muslim group*
> >
> >
> >
> > Initially, the Labour Party did not support Jami and his committee, and the
> > Dutch Vice-Prime Minister Wouter Bos told the news daily *Volkskrant* he
> > did not approve of such a committee that "offends Muslims and their faith."
> >
> >
> >
> > But the Dutch public rallied around Jami, putting pressure on Jacques
> > Tichelaar, Labour's parliamentary leader to sign a declaration of support
> > for the ex-Muslim committee.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, Han Noten, who is the Dutch senate's Labour faction leader,
> > criticized his party's stance.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a commentary for Wednesday's *NRC Handelsbad* newspaper, he said the
> > Committee of Ex-Muslims was "oversimplifying reality" and that Jami's
> > methods succeeded in "polarizing society."
> >
> >
> >
> > "Signing the declaration on September 11 can only be interpreted as a
> > provocation," Noten added. "It suggests… that former Muslims are innocent
> > and Muslims are guilty."
> >
> >
> >
> > *The right to renounce the Islamic faith*
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: Demonstrators in the Netherlands show images of slain filmmaker
> > Theo van Gogh]<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_2,00.html>
> > *Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Theo
> > van Gogh, a filmmaker who criticized Islam was murdered in Amsterdam in 2004<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_2,00.html>
> > *
> >
> > Jami's "Committee of Ex-Muslims" wants imams and Muslims to recognize
> > fellow Muslims' religious rights, including the right leave the faith.
> >
> >
> >
> > "We are breaking the taboo that comes with renouncing Islam, but also
> > taking a stand for reason, universal rights and values and secularism," said
> > a declaration signed by Jami, Ahadi of the German chapter, and their British
> > counterpart Maryam Namazie, who is also of Iranian origin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahadi, who belongs to the German group called "*Wir haben abgeschworen*,"
> > meaning "We have renounced," said it was significant that the three leaders
> > were from Iran, since they had all witnessed the political repression under
> > the Islamic Republic firsthand.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are some 400 committee members in Germany, including non-Muslim
> > Germans, according to Ahadi. The British council of ex-Muslims has around 70
> > members, and Jami's committee has only two official members.
> >
> >
> >
> > "We have received hundreds of support e-mails and that's what counts," Jami
> > told the AFP news agency. "We're more of a movement."
> >
> > www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2779524,00.html
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/7/09, AbuSayeed Rahman <abusayeedr@...>* wrote:
> >
> > I must appreciate the person/persons who could convince/convert three
> > great Guys
> > like SKM, Saif Devdas and Mohammad Asghar !!!!
> >
> > They talk in same line and in same tune.
> > (are they financed by the same source??)
> > I do not know their 'religion' but their writings/postings all indicate
> > that they are
> > on the 'Crusade' against Islam !!
> >
> > I am just wondering what benefit they are getting from their sponsors !
> >
> > Is that benefit worthy enough to sacrifice the life here after ???
> >
> > If someone doesn't believe in the life here after, then it is OK.
> >
> > But if they believe, then on what basis they are ready to sacrifice that
> > ??
> >
> > The standing of 'Islam' will never be dented by their effort.
> >
> >
> > Dr Abu Sayeed
> >
> > *Khurram*
> >
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/7/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > *Dear Modern Day Apostle of Allah>*
> > * *
> > *WoW! What a Big Time--Big-Bang answer to This Quranic Big-Bang Theory! O'
> > all the Truth-Seekers of the World, let us all commit ourselves to the Art
> > of Truth Telling---to Tell the Truth Like it is---Look for the Truth---Live
> > for the Truth, Search for the Truth, and Speak nothing but the Truth--Even
> > if you find Allah is standing in the way of Truth---Remove Him from the
> > path! We have nothing to fear, nobody to fear, and we intend to Shame the
> > Devil by telling the Truth. If we must pay the ultimate price to tell the
> > Truth--So be it! No more lies! No more self-deception! By the way, The
> > Nobel Laureate, Professor Abdus Salam warned the Muslims not to rely too
> > much on the Quran's Big Bang Theory, for, what will happen 50 years from
> > now, if Big Bang Theory is proven false?
> > *
> > *SaifDevdas*
> > *islam1234@...*
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> >
> >
>


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