Dear Mr Shamim [while my son's name also shamim, a student of engineering at Baffalo University, NY]
Jamaat-e-Islami was not the army chief or was not a fore front political party at that time, to control over, Jamaat did not voice war but Awami league voiced war, declared independence (?......really was not) got training from anti Islamic and anti Pakistan India (who want total destruction of Islam and Pakistan) and fight with Pakistani Army , killed millions of non bengalis and pakistani supporters, After Independence the braved Mukti Bahini & Awami league looted all non Bengali properties and houses, Forsely occupied the houses of non bengalis, Qader Siddiqi's present home , still an example which he occupied from Behari, A.B. M. Mohiuddin Chodhury of Chittagong (at present Awami Mayor) forcesly occupied the properties of Bihari Noor Uddin, till 1979 people witneshed Bihari Noor Uddin's daughter was begeing in chittagong K.C. Dey road area, merey bachcha bukerhey,....................????????.
Mr. Shamim , I will not say pakistani army was very holy, they also killed , burned houses, raped womens and many many........more, we curse their activities and actions. We curse the actions of Yeahiya Khan and his actions not to transfer the power to Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman.
Then what is the balance history............................ Pakistan was not with any of the above groups. Pakistan's owner was not only Pakistanis(at present context). Our fore fathers given blood for Pakistan in 1947 while it was creating, our fore fathers given blood in 1965 during Pakistan and India war. Mr. Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman never utterd a single voice against pakistan from 1947 to 1970. He never wrote any single line about Bengali nation that that Bangladesh is a coloney of Pakistan, Sheikh Hasina sings Pakistai national anthem thousand times during her school timing. She was given good medical treatment in military hospital in 1971 war time by pakistani army during her child birth issue, Bangabhandu family were given ration (food) by pakistani military in 1971.......................these are all history Mr. Shamim. So when we talk , our talking should not be one sided.
Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman's Awami leaugue voiced for benefits of Bengali nations only, but not for all Pakistanis, while Jamaat e Islami were voicing for Nikhil Pakistanis benefit.
Awami league emerged as Anchalic Dal , while jamaat e Islami's status is international.
At last, take 10 spices from Awami league and 10 from Jamaat e islami, ask a third parry whose character is the best, offcourse you will get the answer, that is why Jamaat e Islami gaining all over the world. Insha Allah, the tomorrow for Islam, the world peace be laid on Islam, Human made ideology based state system failed, created thousands of baggers, created classes among the human beings.....................the true path is islam, if you think jamaat is not good , so come forward, you creat a jamaat , start dawati works, make islaha lifes of humans , present a Islamic society, where all the people can live without hunger and poverty.
I would request you, you read some literature of Jamaat e Islami to know about jamaat, Islam and Islamic movement.
Thanking you
Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
Kuwait
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:17:19 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
Mr Ramzan, what was the Aqida of Jamaat-e-Islami killing millions of people during Bangladesh liberation war? Spirit of Islam cannot be found in a killer organization, no one wants to listen Bhuter Mukha Ram Nam. Mr Abul Ala Moududi ordered the killing and Golam Azam, Abbas Ali, Nizami, Mujahid, Kamruzzaman gong lead the killing, rape and arsoning thousands of village.
What Dawat and 4 point karmachuci you talking, during the liberation war Jamaati dawat was to annihilate Bengalis from their soil.
4 point karmachuci was
1. Killing
2. Rape
3. Arson
4. Looting
What is their new dawat and kormochuci?
Shamim Chowdhury
Maryland, USA
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> I have to reply when jamat's name is uttered negatively. What knowledge you have about jamath? Did you studied its Dawat and Karmachuci? I believe no. If you say yes then I would like to hear your criticism point by point on its 3 point Dawat and 4 point karmachuci. I believe you will be so braved to reply.
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> You attempted to compare failed christianism in Europe with Islam, kindly be waken, Islam is a complete deen, which the christanism was not , that was the reason why it was failed. If your Aqida is that "Islam is a complete deen" then we can argue with you, if your Aqida is deviated, then we cannot.
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> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
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> Resorting to ad hominem or "personal attacks" to avoid the truth has not worked very well in the past. These attacks are poor 'lebas' or cover-ups of 'al-Haqqa' the Truth to serve ill intention (bil baTili).
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> No matter how much you shout at me, I am not responsible for YOUR ignorance. You should bear that responsibility yourself. No one subscribes to your cockamamie definition of 'secularism'
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> You and the Jamaatis have no basis for claiming that you are better than any of us as Muslims or followers of the faith of Islam.
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> If you insist that you are a better Muslim than me then that geture of hubris, according to the 'mithla' in the Holy Qur'an, makes you a follower of Iblis who said of Adam -- 'ana khairun minhu' or 'I am better than him' when he openly disobeyed Allah's explicit order to do 'sajada' to Adam.
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> Muslim Bengal has a glorious history! It was the shining gem, the most 'beautiful' and lushly cultivated land in the whole of Dar-ul-Islam, according to the Moroccan world-traveller, Ibn Batuta who visited Bengal in 1345 AD.
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> Religion was part of political power-jostling in Christian Europe. By the Renaissance time and splitting of the Church, religion became the top politics for entire Europe. For a modern model of State Religion you have to look at Nazi Germany and Austria in the 1938-39. You will never find the like of it in Muslim India which was wonderfully secular. Study the administrative policies of the Moghuls and you will find out why there had never been a communal riot and how and why the Hindus, Muslims, Christians and all others lived side by side without cutting each other's throat.
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> It is most fitting that Bangladesh be a secular country by its Constitution. No ifs or buts.
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> May Allah deliver you from the curse of your self-imposed blindeness.
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> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
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> Assalamu alaikum.This lady does not know anything of Islam or secularism or state religion.
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> She says, " Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India! "
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> In the thousand year of Muslim rule in India Shariah ( Islamic law ) was the basis of state and law and Qazis or judges used to judge according to this law.This is much more than state religion which is a softer way of a state showing allegiance to Islam .
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> Secularism ( I call it in Bangla " Dharma Barjan Bad ") she does not understand at all and it was never integral to our life or system.
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> S. A. Hannan (and the whole Jamaati lot) is the embodiment of the Western-style 20th century Fascism. State religion is a typically IMPORTED idea from the white Christian Europe. So is the idea of a 'State language' over which Pakistan made a such a fuss and we got terribly sentimental about Bangla as an 'endangered' language! Bangla is the fifth biggest language in the world and Bangladesh is the 7th most populous country! These days the Jamaatis are claiming that Islam is an endangered religion and they are the ONLY saviours of the 'deen' in Bangladesh.
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> Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India!
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> Secularism is an integral part of our own history, culture and civilization. The idea of a State Religion is totally foreign, and a trick of evil-intentioned anti-human politics.
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> We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal.
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> Hannan's trumpeting of the "religion of the majority" is based on the British colonialists' computing of people of Bengal (in 1872 census) by their professed faith. It was a bogus census with evil imperialist intention of controlling people and looting the wealth of Bengal as a colony.
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> It is time to DISCARD this colonial basis of classifying general citizenry by their religion.
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> Please folks! We have suffered enough! It is time we all wake up to the dangers of these 20th century FASCISTS engulfing the hopes and dreams of our 21st century.
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