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Sunday, October 18, 2009

RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea




Dear Syed Abdul Hannan,
 
Wa Alaikum Salam. This is a muslim tradition.   Let me ask you a question. When you are posting an article  to a forum through internet, are you doing it for muslims only? Do you not think that these forums are also used by the non-muslims also? If so, why are you forcing your own tradition to who do not want respond back to you with "Wa Alaikum Assalam"?
Doing this you are exposing two of your attitudes: (1) You are trying to expand your your tradition to others by way of imposition, and (2) You don't care about the others who are not like you. So, with that why don't you talk to your like minded people only, not bothering the others. Having said that I don't mean to ignore you by the others or you to ignore the others; but I really mean that you will never be able to get your points through when you do not show respects to the others. That is why the golden rule is "Don't tell don't ask" about the controversial issues that creates more rifts between parties than doing good. Only following this principle you may peacefully co-exist with the others. I believe the peaceful co-existence of all kinds of people of all religions and of all ethnicities together must be the most priority of all people of the world at this modern era, regardless of where you live.
 
Middle-aged sectarian society format is vanishing up quickly. If you can not accept this vanishing up, you will soon be caught up with extreme backwardness. Of course, it depends upon what school of thoughts you believe in.
 
(1) If you think that men came for religion, you are rigid, tunnel visioned, self-centered, counting reward for here-after and seriously discounting human social welfare in this world and definitely the nature of this world isn't anything to you but a servant of a distant unknown all powerful master who caught up the imaginations of the billions in thousands of year. You are at the race of proving yourself to the better slave than the others such that you can have better and more rewards, not in this world, but in the here-after, with hundreds beautiful co-habiters and the best wine ever discovered the "sharaban tahura", for ever without any breaks and any ending.
 
(2) If you think that religion came for men, you may expect some of the above, but you would not be crazy for only that, but you additionally also think: that I am one of the billions of people of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of the religions of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of language of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of cultures of the world, that I live like every body in the world, that I need to breathe like everybody else, that I need to eat like everybody else, that I need to drink like everybody else, that I need to have parents and relatives like everybody else, that I need to have family like everybody else, that I need to have a family like everybody else, that I need to reproduce like everybody else, and so on and so on........! If these are my concerns, why should I see the others in the different eyes?
 
Perhaps, because of rigidity in the thought process, perhaps because of the continuous brain washing from birth up to this moment, by everybody around, by parents, by relatives, by the society where I lived, by the surrounding where I lived, and mostly perhaps I do not want to see the outside world, keep my tunnel vision within the realms of my self-claimed territory.
 
So, things can be changed just by widening the areas of thoughts, interactions, exposures, and the limits oif the school where belonged.
 
Mr. Hannan, I am sorry, I did have to abide by my father's tale, who used to say, "Give some money to a foolish, don't give your advice; because it will never work out". Knowingly, I made that mistake only for a reason, "Je Khane dekhibe chai, uraiya dekho tai; Pele-o Pa-ite paro omullo roton."  I am not for the omullo roton, as money or coin, but of human value, absolutely for humans, regardless of color, sect, shape or religion; which is the universal humanity.
 
Looking at your postings, I am sure you are very skilled in name calling. You won't go any step behind, as long as you are so. But please remember one thing, as long as you are at the race of reward collection, you won't have time to look at the others but yourself and contribute only selfishness to the society but not generosity to all people in common. Thanks.
 
 


From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:58:05 -0700
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalamu alaikum.This lady does not know anything of Islam or secularism or state religion.

 

She says, "       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India! "

 

In the thousand year of Muslim rule in India Shariah ( Islamic law ) was the basis of state and law and Qazis or judges used to judge according to this law.This is much more than state religion which is a softer way of a state  showing allegiance to Islam .

 

Secularism ( I call it in Bangla " Dharma Barjan Bad ") she does not understand at all  and it was never integral to our life or system.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

 

 
      Yet another PROOF of what I've been saying all along -----
       
        S. A. Hannan (and the whole Jamaati lot) is the embodiment of the Western-style 20th century Fascism.  State religion is a typically IMPORTED idea from the white Christian Europe. So is the idea of a 'State language' over which Pakistan made a such a fuss and we got terribly sentimental about Bangla as an 'endangered' language! Bangla is the fifth biggest language in the world and Bangladesh is the 7th most populous country! These days the Jamaatis are claiming that Islam is an endangered religion and they are the ONLY saviours of the 'deen' in Bangladesh.
 
       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India!
 
        Secularism is an integral part of our own history, culture and civilization.  The idea of a State Religion is totally foreign, and a trick of evil-intentioned anti-human politics.
 
          We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal.           
 
           Hannan's trumpeting of the "religion of the majority" is based on the British colonialists' computing of people of Bengal (in 1872 census) by their professed faith.  It was a bogus census with evil imperialist intention of controlling people and looting the wealth of Bengal as a colony. 
 
            It is time to DISCARD this colonial basis of classifying general citizenry by their religion.
 
          Please folks! We have suffered enough! It is time we all wake up to the dangers of these 20th century FASCISTS engulfing the hopes and dreams of our 21st century.
 
          Farida Majid



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