Gentlemen
I am dumbfounded.
'Fokiror zath' is offensive if taken personally. It may well cause offence - but far less than the offence caused by our politcians. As he does not protest the offence given by our politicians I suggest he does protest too much at a bit of colourful language. Perhaps I should be banned? I suggest some of the rickshaw pullers he knows may use stronger language : )
Insult for insult's sake is one thing. I like to craft my insults with subversive intent. I have found it is often the only way to shake up stubborness, denial and ignorance. Insult can be an art form - I must try harder.
The rest of the protest is waffle.
"You turned MR into a hero! Well. Okay then... Please reply. I'm ready to fight." This is just fine. Mr Haque is a fighter too and he knew he was posting an invitation to fight. Fight is a strong word. I love it.
"Your opinion is the opinion of the cowardly who manipulate the power of government to deal with what you cannot deal with in public debate etc etc. " This is not indecent, not distasteful and not illogical. It is direct, sincere and clearly explained. I can respect his offence at the term 'fokiror zaath' but why bother if he is also offended by the word 'cowardly'?
He remembers correctly. I was a supporter of the CTG and its aims and I was pleased to meet General Moeen. Just like hundreds of others that evening. No need to check old postings. Just as you don't need to check old postings to see if Mr Sultan has ever expressed his true political opinions.
Yes I am talking about the arrest of the CTG. But not because I advocate it - I'm no hypocrite. In fact, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of those who screamed about arresting the CTG just 18 months ago but who are now silent. Clear? Or is the word 'scream' so offensive that what I am saying is unclear?
" He is ready to fight but with whom, where and how? With this language? I think he is fully capable of that. Give me a break man." I am ready to fight with Mr Haque, anytime, on this forum, with this language.
And I am giving him a break because I'm worried that even this zero strength reply will offend his sense of decency - a decency that prevents him from ever writing against any political chicanery but encourages politeness in political discourse. It is a decency that our politicians pray for us to have as it allows them to preserve the status quo.
Many of our best people stay silent in the face of murder and mayhem by our politcians - but feel compelled to draw the line at strong language. It could be funny - but it is just another tragedy for Bangladesh.Yawn.
Moderator - I'm gald that so far you guys realise that the indecent realities of Bangladesh warrant at least some indecent discourse. I am in a gross minority - so allow me to fight loudly. Fakiror zath was too harsh. I'm sorry. After all, we are clearly not a nation of many beggars and have never been considered such.
Ezajur Rahman
Principal Offender, Bangladesh Community, Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" <junaid.sultan@...> wrote:
>
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I am dumbfounded by the language. I quote few lines.
>
> "Bloody fakiror zaath. Can't arrest any in the CTG or any murderers
> singing nouka, Nouka - but acting really big with Amader Desh."
>
> And
>
> "You turned MR into a hero! Well. Okay then... Please reply. I'm
> ready to fight."
>
> Is this the level of decency you are portraying in this forum? I
> believe even a rickshaw puller will be disgusted.
>
> I believe everybody has a right to have and express his/her own opinion
> which may not echo with your opinion. If you want to win then win it
> with arguments. The phrases like "Your opinion is the opinion of the
> cowardly who manipulate the power of government to deal with what you
> cannot deal with in public debate etc etc. " are written with very
> bad taste. You are demeaning somebody by your wordings only without
> presenting any logic. I am sorry but I am limited by my decency not to
> use words harsher than these.
>
> If I remember correctly, this gentleman was a very big advocate of CTG.
> To the extent that he felt himself very elevated because he had the
> opportunity to shake hand with Gen. Moin during General's visit to
> Kuwait. (See old postings in this forum). Now he is talking about arrest
> in the CTG. Still I will not call it hypocrisy. He is ready to fight but
> with whom, where and how? With this language? I think he is fully
> capable of that. Give me a break man.
>
> In the end I will request the moderator to block all the postings like
> this with indecent language in this forum.
>
> Regards
>
> Junaid
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> >
> > Your opinion is the opinion of the cowardly who manipulate the power
> of government to deal with what you cannot deal with in public debate.
> >
> > Your opinion is the opinion of the enslaved mind who could not
> disagree with actions of his master - no matter what the master said or
> did.
> >
> > Your opinion is the opinion of the victim who is forever injured by
> the curse of the personality cult.
> >
> > Your opinion is the opinion of the feeble who are unable to break free
> of blind loyalty and find the truth for themselves.
> >
> > Your opinion is the opinion of the lazy who cannot stop suckling at
> the breast of his party leader irrespective of anything and everything.
> >
> > So what if your white colleague says the Daily Star alleges corruption
> before he places his tender? Based on probabilities and statistics
> within one of earth's most corrupt nations the DS was probably right to
> make its allegations whatever they were.
> >
> > Though now of course you must be very happy that the DS almost makes
> NO allegations at all under an AL government! Because now we climbed a
> few places from the bottom of the world corruption table!
> >
> > Hypocrite!
> >
> > You think AL is brave enough to arrest Mahmudur Rahman? On what
> charges? You don't have the guts to list them - just hide behind
> something about the legality of the publisher?! Snivelling snakes.
> >
> > Do you know which newspaper editor did not sign the letter protesting
> his arrest? Or do you think that all papers that protest the arrest
> should be banned too?
> >
> > You are trying to take down Mahmudur Rahman because you are scared of
> him.
> >
> > Bloody fakiror zaath. Can't arrest any in the CTG or any murderers
> singing nouka, Nouka - but acting really big with Amader Desh.
> >
> > Murgis have bigger brains than people who plan AL and BNP strategies.
> >
> > You turned MR into a hero! Well. Okay then... Please reply. I'm ready
> to fight.
> >
> > Ezajur Rahman
> > Kuwait
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Mohd. Haque" haquetm83@ wrote:
> > >
> > > In my opinion AL did the right thing by closing down the Amar Desh
> and shutting up Mahmudur Rahman. He was going too far to established his
> freedom of speach.
> > > Â
> > > Few years back, an official (a non bangladeshi friend of mine)Â
> from a Development Financing Institution commenting that before we even
> invite for the bidding for a project, Daily Star starts printing lot of
> allegation of corruptions, so to speak.
> > > Â
> > > We have noticed every possible human group were formed to decry
> corruptions done by BNP until they unseat them.
> > > Â
> > > AL is brave enough, not to let them into the same trap. Well done!
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Isha Khan bdmailer@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Isha Khan bdmailer@
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Amar Desh editor arrested after closure
> > > To:
> > > Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 2:47 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Amar Desh editor arrested after closure
> > > Â
> > > Dhaka, June 1 (bdnews24.com)â€" Police early on Wednesday
> morning stormed the Amar Desh newspaper office and arrested acting
> editor Mahmudur Rahman on fraud charges, hours after the government
> closed the BNP-leaning daily.
> > >
> > > The newspaper's deputy editor Syed Abdal Ahmed told bdnews24.com
> that Mahmudur was taken away minutes before 4am after police had talked
> with his lawyer at his Karwan Bazaar office. The arrest capped a 17-hour
> drama played out after the paper's publisher Hashmat Ali Hashu, who
> himself was briefly 'detained', sued Mahmudur on Tuesday night.
> > >
> > > Police had been trying to arrest the acting editor, a BNP stalwart,
> but were held out by staff since shortly before midnight. The staff
> barricaded the main entrance to the office for several hours and shut
> the lift for the 10th floor office. They staged protests and vowed that
> their chief would have to be arrested 'over their dead bodies' as police
> reinforcements were brought in. Police then sought their cooperation but
> were refused before forcing their into the office at 3:30am to end the
> standoff. Ahmed, also the chief correspondent, had earlier told
> bdnews24.com that police shut down the paper's press at Love Road in
> Tejgaon at 11:30pm.
> > >
> > > Leaders of opposition BNP and its associate organisations gathered
> at the scene after bdnews24.com broke the news. BNP vice chairman
> Abdullah Al Noman, standing committee member Nazrul Islam Khan, BNP
> chairperson's press secretary Maruf Kamal Khan, Shimul Biswas,
> Jatiyatabadi Chhatra Dal president Sultan Salahuddin Tuku were also
> there.
> > >
> > > The events unfolding since morning--when Hashmat's family said he
> had been whisked away by intelligence men to an undisclosed place--took
> a new twist when the Dhaka's deputy commissioner Muhibul Haque cancelled
> the paper's declaration. The commissioner signed an order to this effect
> at 10pm, an official of his office said, preferring anonymity. But
> Mahmudur had told reporters at his office that police shut the press
> without showing the papers of the order cancelling the declaration.
> > >
> > > It was not clear on what grounds the broadsheet, which hit the
> stands during BNP-led government's term in Sept, 2004, was closed. The
> government last month knocked private TV station Channel 1 off the air
> citing irregularities.
> > >
> > > Journalist Abdal told bdnews24.com around 11:35pm, " The press
> started printing Wednesday's paper an hour before but police did not
> allow distribution to news agent's. "They said printing will stop."
> Tejgaon Industrial Area police chief Omar Faruk earlier told
> bdnews24.com that a complaint had been lodged against Mahmudur, who
> earlier in the day alleged that the government was planning to shut down
> the newspaper. Faruk said the case alleged financial losses.
> > >
> > > The former energy adviser to ex-prime minister Khaleda Zia rushed a
> news conference at the pro-BNP daily's office and said he had talked
> with Hashmat after he had returned from his detention at National
> Security Intelligence office, who had told him that he was 'frightened'.
> Mahmudur said the NSI men took Hasmat and forced him to sign two papers.
> "He was made to sit at their office until 2pm while the investigators
> pressed him to sign two papers." "One of the papers was addressed to
> Dhaka's deputy commissioner and the other to Tejgaon police chief. The
> papers state that Hashmat Ali is not the publisher of Amar Desh. Legal
> steps can be taken as his name is being printed as the publisher."
> > >
> > > "He was forced to sit until he signed the papers. Later Hashmat Ali
> signed the papers and was released after a five-hour detention," said
> Mahmudur. A former executive chairman of the Board of Investment,
> Mahmudur said the press meet was organised to protest the current
> government's 'fascist' behaviour and conspiracy against the news media.
> > >
> > > Hashmat's family had earlier told bdnews24.com that he had been
> detained for six hours after some intelligence officials whisked him
> away around 9am. He returned to his Shahjahanpur residence around 3pm
> but went out, they said.
> > >
> > > Mahmudur had claimed around 1pm that National Security Intelligence
> took Hashmat and were forcibly trying to file a case against him.
> > > NSI director Shafiqullah told bdnews24.com earlier that they had not
> detained anybody by that name. "He is probably sitting at home."
> > > "This is reminiscent of June 16, 1975 when all but four newspapers
> were banned," Mahmudur said of Ali's detention. "Coincidentally, this is
> June again."
> > >
> > > "I have heard that he is being coerced into bringing charges against
> me," he told bdnews24.com. "Is this what they have learnt from the Moeen
> Uddins, the perpetrators of 1/11?" "I guess they will try to file a case
> against me," he said.
> > >
> > > Mahmudur took over the management of the newspaper in 2008. Later he
> sent a letter to the deputy commissioner for serving as editor of the
> newspaper. Since then he has been the acting editor of the newspaper.
> Mahmudur, also the chairman of Amar Desh Publications Limited, said
> "This daily speaks for a free and sovereign state. As a result, many of
> its news are not going in favour of the government and are displeasing
> them. So they are trying to shut it down."Â
> > > Â
> > > Â
> > > Â
> > > http://www.newagebd .com/2010/ jun/02/front. html
> > > Â
> > > http://www.bbc. co.uk/bengali/ news/2010/ 06/100601_ ka_amardesh_
> closure.shtml
> > > Â
> > > http://amardeshonli ne.com/pages/ details/2010/ 06/02/34715
> > > Â
> > > http://amardeshonli ne.com/pages/ details/2010/ 06/02/34632
> > > Â
> > > http://www.samakal. com.bd/details. php?news=
> 13&action=main&option=single&news_id=69691&pub_no=354
> > >
> >
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