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Thursday, May 31, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University

Thanks for your kind words. I do not think you can reeducate these hateful minds The viruses are already well spread and multiplying exponentially in people' brains. Only thing we can do is to contain it before it explodes. If we only stop implanting the evil idea of being belong to a superior religion, we will save us from lots of troubles. But that is a monumental task and many commies (Soviets/Chinese) have already failed to make any progress in that area. Ironically, they found something else to hate others. The hate has become rather a commodity, which needs to be consumed everyday as with our other daily intakes? Sad, but that is the reality!
With regards,
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Sukhamaya Bain <>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University

I totally agree with everything that Mr. Shah Deeldar wrote below.
In fact, regarding hateful minds, I have been saying the same thing for many years. That is, a Muslim who hates innocent Hindus could not possibly stop there; he would find reasons to hate innocent Muslims also. The same goes to hateful minds of all varieties: Hindus, Christians, Jews, etc. Thus, hatred in any form should be shunned for a civilized and peaceful world. Hateful minds need to be re-educated and, if needed, punished. Hatred is hurtful not only to the immediate victims; it ultimately hurts the criminal group also; thus causing broad-based long-term damages to humanity.
It is really too much of a shame for the intelligent human race to have hateful minds based upon nonsensical religious beliefs.
Sukhamaya Bain
From: Shah Deeldar <>
To: "" <>
Cc: ...................... 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University

Muslims are not any exceptions to the typical human behavior. Any group of people would like to find some commonality or differences with other groups of people and fight the "common enemy". When they do not find any common enemy, they will find differences within the same group and fight the people who look different or behave differently. The exceptions are rare unless the group has different motives and agenda. You can easily test this by putting bunch of Muslims (or Hindus/Christians) in a village and let them interact for few months. Certain group of Muslims will look down on others even they pray to the same Allah.

Yes, for some good or bad reason, people would like to be connected to the Arabian royal blood in order to be able to  boast about their ancestry. That is because of their poor self confidence and education. I would agree with you about Pakistani Muslims hating more their Hindu ancestry than Bengali Muslims. New converts are always less tolerant to their past. The reason is obvious!
The bottom line is that God is not a solution when people think their God is better and more powerful than other people' Gods. It is rather a refuge for certain scoundrels, who do not want to answer some tough questions. It is rather a business with no productivity except producing more illiterates for the society. To a small starving child, an "omnipotence" God has no value at all in comparison to a small piece of bread. 

PS. Sorry for being little off topic.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Sukhamaya Bain <>
To: "" <>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University

While I salute Dr. Das for his successful fight against a wrong trend, I must say that during my student life at Dhaka University Chemistry Department (1975-1981), an overwhelming majority of my professors were non-communal decent human beings of the Muslim background. In fact, I consider quite a few of them as the best teachers of my life. The clear concepts that I got from them made me increasingly interested in Chemistry. Most of the ones that I got a chance to mix with at a personal level were helpful and understanding.
Unlike Dr. Das, I actually doubt if the Pakistani Muslims had more respect for their Hindu ancestry than the Bengali Muslims. The state of Pakistan during its entire lifetime (1947 to date) does not support what Dr. Das felt. I think one needs to mix intimately with people, while asserting his/her rights, to know their real character.
Talking about Arabian ancestry, I think Bengali Muslims overall are too irrational when it comes to the looks, sounds and smells of their religion; but I doubt if they are worse than the Pakistani Muslims. Of course, there are exceptions to the overall picture.
Sukhamaya Bain
From: Kamal Das <>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University

Chemistry Department stopped awarding first class to any student bearing Hindu name since the 1965 war between India and Pakistan, the tradition continued till I changed it four years later.  Most of my classmates agreed that I changed it by fighting the whole Department.

Most people of Pakistani origin I came across in my life were respectful of their Hindu ancestry.  However, the story is different with Bengali Muslims.  They think, their ancestors came from some place in the Arabian land. 

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <> wrote:
Not surprisingly, people who make this accusation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore did not answer my questions.
Q. A. Rahman has addressed some of the questions, with a declaration that he does not consider himself as an accuser. However, his answers and analyses were either plain wrong or typical of the two-nation theorist imbeciles.
Dr. Kamal Das has also made some comments. He reasoned that Muslims were not up to education, and were not expected to have a large share of teachers and students at Dhaka University during its early years.
Now let me make some comprehensive points.
Pakistan or not, if Hindus did not face the kind of discrimination, hatred, and barbaric atrocities that they did in East Bengal since 1947, if they did not leave East Bengal, the academic circle of any Bangladeshi university that would be worth calling "the Oxford of the East" would be dominated by Hindus over the Muslims even today. Let me give a few examples: 1) in my B. Sc. Honors class at the Dhaka University Chemistry Department, graduating in 1980, four students got the first class, and two of them were Hindus, 2) two years before us no one got the first class in Chemistry honors program from the university proper; only one student, a Hindu, got the first class from BM College in Barishal, 3) in our honors batch, the most distinguished scholar in the Science Faculty (the Kalinarayan Scholar) was a Hindu student from Physics. These are in spite of all the migration of mostly the elite class of Hindus from East Bengal beginning in 1947. The most sudden drop in the quality of Dhaka University was probably in 1947, when Hindu professors left en masse for India, and their void filled with unqualified and poorly qualified Muslims.
Of course, Pakistan was not in the horizon in 1921. Thus, the establishment of Dhaka University in reality had nothing to do with higher education for the Muslims; because the Muslims were not expected to be the principal components of the university. People who suggest that Rabindranath Tagore opposed the establishment of Dhaka University because he was anti-Muslim have a hateful objective of dissociating the greatest Bangalee poet from Bangladesh.
Now let me address a side point made by Q. A. Rahman. His point was that Pakistan was needed for breaking the Hindu domination in East Bengal. His argument was utterly foolish and hateful when he was indifferent to the fact of the migration of Hindus due to discrimination, hatred and barbaric atrocities in their home of centuries. He was essentially saying that it was OK to displace the Hindus for giving the Muslims some privilege.
No, Muslims had to get themselves interested in real education in order to break the Hindu domination. Hatred can give a short-term gain, which Pakistan did for the Muslims. But look, for example, the elite of Bangladeshi Muslims who have a significant health problem go to India for treatment. Aren't those Hindu doctors in India saving the elite Muslims of Bangladesh?
Talking in terms of political domination, I do not think the Muslims needed Pakistan. Without Pakistan, Muslims would be dominating all of Bengal today; because democracy was inevitable, and because to be a voter one does not need to be very scholarly or rich. Of course, if that political domination was combined with the wisdom of promoting education, Muslims would have had their fair share of power in all respects in due course without the help of hatred.
I would advise people like Mr. Rahman to wake up for progress for all people, especially for the Muslims. Sprouting madrasahs in Bangladesh like wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity will not help the Muslims; real education in humanities, science and technology will.
Sukhamaya Bain

From: Sukhamaya Bain <>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:14 PM

Subject: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University

I have seen this allegation in the Bangladesh-centric internet forums over a period of many years. There seems to be a new generation of accusers lately. Instead of making any suggestion about why some people make this allegation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore, let me just ask a few questions.
When Dhaka University was formed in 1921, was there any plan anywhere for the creation of Pakistan in 1947?
There are several highly prestigious universities in the USA which are located at or near high black population areas. For example, the University of Chicago and Columbia University in New York City. How many percents of the professors and students of these universities are black?
From 1921 to 1947 which religious group had more professors and students at Dhaka University, Muslims or Hindus?
If there was no Pakistan, or if there was no displacement of Hindus from East Bengal due to the creation of Pakistan in 1947, which religious group would be dominating the academic circle of Dhaka University today, Muslims or Hindus?
In the world, there are about 1.4 billion Muslims among the total population of about 7.0 billion. What are the comparisons between the Muslims and the other religious groups in terms of world-renowned scholars (an indication would be the Nobel Prize winners in all subjects but peace)?
What is keeping the Muslims backward compared to all other significant religious groups?  
Let me wait for some fact-based and honest answers to the above six questions, and some intelligent amalgamations of those answers, preferably from the accusers, before I comment on the subject.
Sukhamaya Bain
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