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Saturday, October 20, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist



Hello. Thanks.

Not that, this is the first time I am under attack with all those rubbish terms, nor it will be the last. In an Islamic Pakistan we born as an infidel, and born as an Indian agent. Time and again, we say that, India is the largest democracy and we love democracy, reason for that is, we saw and still seeing the inhuman rule of those so-called Muslim countries including Pakistan.  

Those who criticize me are all militants, openly or in disguise; none of them love USA-India, West & free world. They dislike anything 'good'! But they love to live in non-Muslim lands, while they want their countries to be a Muslim land, and no others can live their!

Frequently I asked a question to those perverts, show me a Muslim country where non-Muslims are growing, and that includes Bangladesh. And then ask, why?

I always argue that, if you try to blame others all the time for your faults, then you will end up with more problems! Nobody is asking why this 21 year boy, Nafis became a terrorist?

I try to ask a lot of times, why Muslims are doing better in non-Muslim countries than their own hub? Why Muslim parents love to send their kids to free world, rather than Saudia, Kuwait or Iran? If they are given a choice to go to USA or Saudia; is not that the whole Muslim world will come to USA?

One of my friends always say that, America is fool; otherwise why they will bring us here to make their country a hell like ours! Looking at those perverts, I sometimes thing that my friend may be right!



On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
Why can't Mr. Guha have same right to show allegiance to Hindu center of origin, India? American and European Jews do the same thing. You can justify your allegiance towards Mecca and Medina but others have no choice but to follow your Islamic dictate? Practice as you preach, bro!

Why terrorist Nadal Hassan can kill his own American colleagues in the name of Islam and be treated like a hero by people like you? Why is that discrimination, bro? Because being a Muslim is so different from being a Hindu, Jew or  Christian?

I do not now whether Mr. Guha is a fan of Modi but I know Osama and Al-Zahihis are the true heroes of millions of Muslims. But you think that is totally OK because they pray with you in the same row?

You do not make good arguments, bro. Look at yourself in the mirror and then judge others!
-SD

  

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Mr. SD
Not only myself,  billion Muslims pleadge their alligience to Holy Makkah and Holy Madina (except some Athiests who has Islamic name). Donot complicate your view like attaching Pakistan or Israel or other nations with our pleadge to Islams holiest place Makkah and Madinah.   Hindu fundamentalist Narendra's are hero of people like you and Guho's not myself..Shibshena are Guho's favourite party.  Why calling the so called issue of  cleansing minorities from Bangladesh while  pro-Indian Baksalis are in power in Bangladesh ? Why Guho's never protest killing inncocent Bangladeshis by Hayena BSF Force ?
 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:30:05 -0400

Brother Mohi,
If you can show your full love and dedication to Mecca, Medina, Pakistan and Muslim ummah, why can't Mr. Guha show some affinity for a country like India? Why should that bother you when people like you are ready to cleanse minorities from their ancestral land? Does he need to be a Jamati or BNP cadre to earn your trust? Who do you consider yourself? You don't own Bangladesh? Do you?

It would be better if you talk to the point. People in the US can burn their own flag if they wish and you as a foreign national are allowed to sing your Islami song as much you want. Why do you think Mr. Guha needs to think and act like you?
-SD

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Sri Sitangshu,
 
Your love for Mohan Bharot is well known to most Bangladeshis. Mohan Bharot
is your second home make no doubt about it. Can you deny that ?
Did you forget Rohinga muslim killing by Burmese security forces well supported by
Burmese Monks ?
I don't thnk Bangladeshi Buddists supported that killing.
Ramu Tragedy was created by Hasina regime to show to the civilized
World that Hasina is needed to fight the extreamist elements of Bangladesh, therefore
We saw lot of Awamis engaged in tne demonstration before the Ramu Tragedy.
You never protested the recent Murti destruction in Bangladesh, Why ?
Your love  for oppressive/dictatorial Hasina regime is well known to us.
Do you think opporessive Hasina will remain in power indefinitely ?
She has to go, change is coming InshaAllah.
 
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, baaiwdc_comm@yahoogroups.com,  khabor@yahoogroups.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, shahdeeldar@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:20:29 -0400

 

Hello Mohiuddin: I never expect your support and if you support me sometime, then I must think, I am not in the right path!
 
Can you tell me one thing: When Buddhists were beating Muslims in Burma, you had proposed that all Buddhists need to be sent to Burma from BD. Now you are shedding crocodiles tears for Buddhists and Hindus! For what?
 
I am glad that I am not pro-Pakistan or Iran or BNP, Jamat and I am pro-democracy. India is the largest democracy. Just think this point: will you send your under 18 son (Imaginary) to Pakistan, Iran, BD alone to stay there; but you will send him to London, USA or India; this is not because they are non-Muslims; rather they are democratic and give some respect to all. Look, all those Muslim countries could not produce an Oscar winner AR Rahman; India does, because in democracy you have the ability to grow, not in any religion based country! That is why we will always want BD a democratic country, not a mini Pakistan.
Thank you.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Very good comment from Ms.Farida Mazid. I support her views not views of Sitanshu's. Sitangshi is pro-Indian and always tries to protect the interest
of his second home India and forgets the interest of his motherland Bangladesh. He never condemned the killing of Banladeshis by Hayena BSF'[s.


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "khabor@yahoogroups.com" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:45:22 -0400

 

          Sitangshu,
                           You're a good activist, but a very lazy analyzer.  This not a time for easy arithmetics. You say you're against 'fundamentalists' but you really end up endorsing their ideas in a covert way.
            Remember 2004 Presidential election time?  There was a Osama bin Laden video that suddenly made an appearance and scared the voters against Islamic terrorists. And Bush won narrowly.  This time there is a scare tactics of Tea Parties to label Obama as a "Muslim" which would turn away millions of Christian fundamentalist voters.

            Keep in mind: A Republican win would favor Jamaati fundamentalist of Bangladesh-- they (U. S. foreign policy in general) dislike "secularism" since they equate that with communists. The State Dept. is already very cosy with Jamaati leaders.

         There were a lot of unknown factors involved in the Ramu destruction and LOT of money came pouring in for the extraordinary operation.  Your peyara Awami League people were completely ineffectual and they have a lot of answering to do.  Read this disgusting fellow's article below -- he is a bitter and extreme fundo -- but his writing has some points that need to be answered.

           Assalamu alaikum.

Please find my new article "বৌদ্ধদের উপর হামলা এবং দেশধ্বংসী সংকটে বাংলাদেশ (Attack on the Budhists and the Critical Crisis in Bangladesh)" as attached word and pdf file.

You can also find the same article by clicking the following link:
http://www.drfirozmahboobkamal.com/2010-03-24-10-21-22/877-attack-on-the-budhists-in-bangladesh-and-the-critical-crisis.html

It is also pasted below for your convenience.

If you find any merit in the article, please send it to others.
Regards.

Firoz Mahboob Kamal

 
To: bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com
CC: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: guhasb@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:05:56 -0400
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 

Here we go again!!!!!!
This is the people, who spreads the rumour that, Jews are behind 9/11-------
This is the people who spreads, India is behind Ramu's incident!!!!!!!!!
and wash their hands!
So, fundamentalism and terrorism will continue growing. Doing so, these people actually help the terrorists, they are the sympathesiers!
While they should think why a 21 year old become a terrorist, find the reason to rectify it; they are trying to find a hole to blame others and wash their hands!


 
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is Nafis really framed? Or, he was rather a willing soul to be a good victim? The kid did not believe in violence for the Muslim cause and yet, he resorted to commit the act. So, how can a westerner or easterner can trust these kinds of people who say certain things in public but would not hesitate to do the opposite? Is Islam a peaceful religion? Doesn't it sound like a broken record? How long can we keep the violent doctrine of Islam under the rug? If Nafis has committed his act in Bangladesh, he would have been showered by rose petals by a great number of people as we can see recent responses to violence against the Buddhists and minorities. Who are brainwashing these Nafises? Parents, Imams, local thugs? What should the buck stop?
-SD
 
 
 

Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
 
NEW YORK: At the Missouri college where Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis enrolled, a classmate said he often remarked that true Muslims don't believe in violence.    
That image seemed startlingly at odds with the Bangladesh native's arrest in an FBI sting this week on charges of trying to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in New York with what he thought was a 1,000-pound car bomb.
"I can't imagine being more shocked about somebody doing something like this," said Jim Dow, a 54-year-old Army veteran who rode home from class with Nafis twice a week. "I didn't just meet this kid a couple of times. We talked quite a bit. … And this doesn't seem to be in character."
Nafis' family in Dhaka, Bangladesh, denied he could have been involved in the plot. His parents said he was incapable of such actions and came to America only to study.
Federal investigators, often accused by defense attorneys of entrapping and leading would-be terrorists along, said the 21-year-old Nafis made the first move over the summer, reaching out for accomplices and eventually contacting a government informant, who then went to federal authorities.
They said he also selected his target, drove the van loaded with dummy explosives up to the door of the bank, and tried to set off the bomb from a hotel room using a cellphone he thought had been rigged as a detonator.
During the investigation, he and the informant corresponded via Facebook and other social media, talked on the phone and met in hotel rooms, according to a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.    Nafis spoke of his admiration for Osama bin Laden, talked of writing an article about his plot for an AL-Qaida-affiliated magazine, and said he would be willing to be a martyr but preferred to go home to his family after carrying out the attack, authorities said. And he also talked about wanting to kill President Barack Obama and bomb the New York Stock Exchange, a law enforcement official said.
Investigators said in court papers that he came to the U.S. bent on jihad and worked out the specifics of a plot when he arrived. While Nafis believed he had the blessing of al-Qaida and was acting on behalf of the terrorist group, he has no known ties, according to federal officials.
Nafis, who at the time of his arrest Wednesday was working as a busboy at a restaurant in Manhattan, was jailed without bail. His attorney has not commented on the case, but in other instances where undercover agents and sting operations were used, lawyers have argued entrapment.
Investigators would not say exactly how he initially contacted the government informant.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, whose department had a role in the arrest as a member of a joint federal-state terrorism task force, said the entrapment argument rarely prevails.
"You have to be otherwise not disposed to do a crime," Kelly said. "And if it's your intent to do a crime, and somehow there are means made available, then generally speaking, the entrapment defense does not succeed."
Nafis was a terrible student in his native Bangladesh, and his middle-class parents said he persuaded them to send him to study in the US as a way of improving his job prospects. They don't believe he was planning an attack.
His father, a banker, said Nafis was so timid he couldn't venture out onto the roof alone.
"My son couldn't have done it," Quazi Ahsanullah said, weeping.
"He is very gentle and devoted to his studies," he said, pointing to Nafis' time studying at the private North South University in Dhaka.    Belal Ahmed, a spokesman for the university, said Nafis was put on probation and threatened with expulsion if he didn't bring his grades up. Nafis eventually stopped coming to school, Ahmed said.
The father of Bangladeshi national Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis who arrested in New York for attempting to detonate a bomb, cries alongside other relatives in Dhaka.—AFP photo
Ahsanullah said his son had argued that a US degree would give him a better chance at success in Bangladesh. "I spent all my savings to send him to America," the father said.
Nafis moved to Missouri, where he studied cyber security at Southeast Missouri State University. He also became vice president of the school's Muslim Student Association and began attending a mosque.
But he withdrew after one semester and requested over the summer that his records be transferred to a school in Brooklyn. The university declined to identify which school.    Dow, his former classmate at Southeast Missouri State, said Nafis spoke admiringly of bin Laden.
At the same time, "he told me he didn't really believe bin Laden was involved in the twin towers because he said bin Laden was a religious man, and a religious man wouldn't have done something like that," Dow said.
He said Nafis gave Dow a copy of the Quran and asked him to read it. But he "didn't rant or rave or say crazy stuff," Dow said.
"What really shocked me the most was he had specifically spoken to me about true Muslims not believing in violence," Dow said.
Dion Duncan of St. Louis, a fellow student and member of the Muslim organization, said: "Nafis was a good kid. He showed no traces of anti-Americanism, or death to America, or anything like that. He was a trustworthy, honest kid."
"He was polite and courteous. He was helpful. All the things you would expect from a good Muslim kid. He prayed five times a day," Duncan said.
 
 
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