>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mature adults. but if you are a six year old, you may fall for such simpleton logic.
If you look at old pictures of any family, you will see long veiled women. This is OUR heritage. I did not promote it, I simply validated a FACT. I am not sure why an educated man like you want to deny OUR history?
This also testifies to the fact that you although claiming to be true Islamist are not sensitive to the economic needs of our poor women. Allama Q.R. Rahman
>>>>>>>>> Nope. It shows how desperate you are!
You know very little about me and you are trying to be a Shadu baba. Many times I stated that, I am NOT against women working.
I am happy that you have agreed with Fatemolla that Islamic preachers did not recommend borkha.
>>>>>>>>>> If Fatemollaji say something factual, I do not see any harm agreeing with him. That goes for everyone of you. I have agreed with you in plenty of times and that does not mean I have endorse everything you say.
It is really unfortunate that you do not treat borkha as a burden and a hazard and as such a persuasive religious and social movement aimed at enlightening our women about it can be beneficial for the society.
>>>>>>>>>> To me, it is more important to give women the choice of what she want to wear. I am for empowering women and feel women are smart enough to pick her dress. I dealt with plenty of women who do not agree with me but I don't get into the business of forcing them into my ideas. Seems like that is what you like to do.
Bottom line is if a woman want to wear a Burkha, it is not your damn business to lecture her. Albeit I do not think Burka is Islamic requirement. Hijab is enough but why should I force people? At best I can share my opinion (Like I do here) but why should YOU get into business of telling a Muslima, what is good for her? It is the ultimate insult!!
I guess you are afraid that such an enlightenment program will endanger Islam.
>>>>>>>>> I do not know what kind of dumb ass Muslims you hang around with but I do not worry about Islam at all. There are times I worry about Muslims but I worry about if I am following Islam properly. Allah is enough as a protector of Islam. This is the fundamental difference between me and so called Islamist people.
My guess is based on the fact that you are over protective about Islam
>>>>>>> When Christian missionaries (And orientalists) were saying untrue and ugly things about Hindus and India, swami Vivekananda decided to go to America and give them the authentic concept of Hinduism (Vedantic). It was a great success and right thing to do.
I get inspired by all kind of people (Swamiji is one of them) and I am doing very similar thing. When I see untrue rumor against good people or good religion, I try to offer correct information with enough references. Similarly when I hear similar things about my cultural heritage or even Bangabandhu, I offer correct information. That is all.
I do not know why you are into "Imagination" phase today. Bad day brother?
you are so overprotective that by quoting and referring to various sources (fictions and unscientific articles) you make a great religion like Islam laughable in the eyes of the rational thinkers
>>>>>>>>> Actually I have been in this field for a while (Comparative religion). It is a hobby of mine. Trust me, I only aim to supply authentic information to people (Peacefully) but if it makes anyone laugh, that is a byproduct. Cannot take credit for that.
Why are you trying to fish in the troubled waters by mixing up Rabindranath and Nirmalendu Goon with women who are victims of the fanatic teachings of our illiterate and half-literate mollas and priests?
>>>>>>>>>>> Rabindranath had beard and seen many pictures with cap. So I guess if he was alive our "Newly aroused half educated Bengali" [ Like Mita Huq] would have harrased him as well. I was talking about Mita Huq. Not sure where you found mollas and preists in my statement?
Lucky Rabiondranath was spared by these idiots. Same goes for Bangabandu as well. Since he stated his politics in Muslim League and mentored by a person who could not even speak Bangla properly (Only English and Urdu).
This day and age idiots even question if Ziaur Rahman was a freedom fighter or not. Anything is possible.
It is truly "Koli Jug".
One of my childhood friend married to daughter of well known intellectual who was murdered around 14th December of 1971. Few years ago she decided to practice Islamic dress (Hijab). One dumb ass came and asked her if she was supporting rajakars. My friend lamented and the following year they left Bangladesh.
I am talking about a person who's father is well known to the whole nation and after sacrificing their whole life, they get this treatment in our country.
Like religion, patriotism has to be practice in a balanced manner. Otherwise our next generation will detest out finest achievements (Since we abuse them as political tools so often).
Shalom!
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, your thinking almost coincides with that Allama Shafi.
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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: মিতা হকের বাঙ্গালীয়ানা ও মরু-সাম্রাজ্যবাদ
Veils (grandmother's one longer) represent our authentic heritage! Such an orthodox thinking testifies to the fact that you are against 100% liberation of women.
-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> The main issue is Mita is trying to "Tell" (Dictatorial style) about who can and cannot be Bengalis. This is exactly what Pakistanis tried (And failed) to do. As far as "Borkha" is concern, it is a cultural choice. Mostly liked by women of our sub-continent. As far as religion is concern, it does NOT force any specific dress on men or women (There are restriction of men as well, but we don't discuss that often). Islam simply gives us guideline and one can pick any dress that fulfill the basic requirement. For example, the US national fencing team has a practicing Muslima who covers her body and still participate in sports. I am aware of your personal opinion about it and understand where you are coming from. However those of us who are interested to be practicing Muslims should not restricted from doing so. So if a woman want to wear Burkha, it is her choice and none of my business. Relieving her of excessive burden of clothings aimed at maintaining her dignity and sanctity of the society as well is one such liberation>>>>>>>>> That is your "Opinion" and I respect that. At the same time there are lot of people who do not agree with you. As long you learn to respect their choices, we'll get along fine. People define liberation differently and getting rid of cloths cannot be the only way to liberate ourselves. Personally freeing our mind is liberation to me. According to Fatemolla preachers of islam have never recommended borkha. What is your comment on that? >>>>>>>> think I answered it. Like Sari, it is a choice of our people but it is NOT any Islamic requirement. Don't you think that borkha is not only unnecessary in the context of Bangladesh, it also creates many hazards, and as such, a reform movement may not be a bad idea?>>>>>>>>>>> There are lot of smart educated women who accept Hijab (Head cover) as their Islamic dress and do not wear Burkha. I do not think me or you should be telling others what to wear. It is their choice and as long it is not hurting anyone, it is none of our business. . But personally I am against advocating for any such thing and I will point out the demerits of such things.>>>>>>>>> There are lot of spiritual and worldly benefit of the dress as well. I do not expect you to know about that, so you are welcome to share your opinion but I do not feel inspired to support you in this specific cause. The veil of my grand mother was longer than that of my mother. My sisters do not use veil except in rare occasions. My nieces do not even wear saris.>>>>>>>>>> Your mother and grandmothers generation represent our authentic heritage. However if modern generation are happy with their dress, it is none of my business. If they are happy, I am happy for them. :-). But this cannot be a general rule for the society. We need more and more women's liberation if we really want to progress and prosper. >>>>>>>>>> If society pick of the role to dictate dress of people, we may lose future Nirmolendu Gun or Rabindranath Tagore or Maulana Bhashani. Freedom of thought and freedom of religion are fundamental rights. As long such rights does not hurt anyone else, we should leave it alone. Shalom!
"Your mother and grandmother's generation represent our authentic heritage."----QR.
Veils (grandmother's one longer) represent our authentic heritage! Such an orthodox thinking testifies to the fact that you are against 100% liberation of women. This also testifies to the fact that you although claiming to be true Islamist are not sensitive to the economic needs of our poor women. Allama Q.R. Rahman
I am happy that you have agreed with Fatemolla that Islamic preachers did not recommend borkha. It is really unfortunate that you do not treat borkha as a burden and a hazard and as such a persuasive religious and social movement aimed at enlightening our women about it can be beneficial for the society. I guess you are afraid that such an enlightenment program will endanger Islam. My guess is based on the fact that you are over protective about Islam and sometimes you are so overprotective that by quoting and referring to various sources (fictions and unscientific articles) you make a great religion like Islam laughable in the eyes of the rational thinkers. Why are you trying to fish in the troubled waters by mixing up Rabindranath and Nirmalendu Goon with women who are victims of the fanatic teachings of our illiterate and half-literate mollas and priests?
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
Now let us focus on the main issue which is borkha, hijab, or even veil, let alone keeping our women confined within the four walls. As the society is progressing, we are noticing more and more liberation of women--liberation in all respects
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