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Wednesday, December 10, 2014

Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

Your mind is not nonexistent. It lives in your temporal lobe. Belief in existence of soul and metaphysics would lead you to a labyrinth to be devoured by Minotaur. Ancient Egyptian belief placed mind and soul in heart. Spiritual experience grows from temporal lobe disorder. Epileptic fit is described as samadhi. Most prophets and preachers had this trait.

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On Dec 11, 2014, at 6:25 AM, "Jiten Roy [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:


One of the materialistic thoughts is - something that does not exist physically does not exist at all. But, that's not always correct. There are entities which do not exist in the physical world, but exist in the meta-physical world. Our mind does not exist physically, but exists in the metaphysical space; it controls most of the things we do. Our consciousness is another superior trait in us that has no physical existence, but exists in the metaphysical space, and guides us to sort out good and bad. There are many such entities that exist only in the metaphysical space, and have practical implications in our lives.
Deeldar said his spirituality is in line with Poet RN Tagore. The existence of a spiritual-idol is present in most of Tagore's works. His spiritual idol as the creator of the universe.
Now, let's think about meditation. You will see it requires a focal-point of thought. During simple meditation routine, instructor will ask participants to concentrate on his/her breathing. Why is that? It is to concentrate on the breathing, which occupies the focal-spot of the thought, and help participants to concentrate. Meditation can take us to the gate of the spiritual world. But, once you are at the gate, then what? You need a superior tour guide to achieve something meaningful in the spiritual world. Tagore had spiritual idol, so does everybody. Otherwise, it will be simply unproductive meditation.
Jiten Roy

From: "Shah Deeldar [mukto-mona]" <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

I appreciate your wisdom. But, not completely agree with this kind of extreme view. I am not talking about adoring a Shalgram Shila but imagining certain thing in a secular way to give our minds a temporary picture of a thing that we do not understand (please ignore the God). Why this would be considered as sinful and toxic when we know that science corrects itself whether we want or not? Why this rigidity when we do not know everything as opposed to an idealist knowing everything about *his/her God and messengers?

Neurons of our brains are autonomous entities even though they work in synchrony. It would be absurd and wrong to say that we control all of them consciously all the time. We don't!! If you consider a secular spirituality is toxic, I must say we are being exposed to it every moment and we have been doing fine since the first man started to walk. Life would be totally disaster without the simultaneous existence of spirituality in our minds. Call it a hardware to function without the software.

My definition of spirituality is some what different from other forum members. I call it a deeper thinking with all doors being open all the time along the line of great Tagore. Thank you all and I stop here.

On Monday, December 8, 2014 9:33 PM, "Kamal Das [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:

Spiritualism is toxic, materialism is not. As a spiritual person, one can adore a hollow stone known as shalgram shila as Narayana. To a materialist, it is worth no more than a paper weight. Shallowness in ancient thoughts led to religious concepts. Not even the modern scientific world can get rid of them.

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On Dec 9, 2014, at 2:35 AM, "Shah Deeldar [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:

Yes, however, I do not see why a materialist would not be able to practice a non religious spiritualism? It is rather an inherent property of our cognitive brain, which is a product of many million years of evolution. Is it always logical? Does it always need to seek a material basis of everything? There are plenty of things that we do not sense with our sensory organs. Does that mean they not exist? There are plenty of things that we would never see even with our fancy instruments but their existence might be proven indirectly with some math equations. Are they real?

I do not think the spirituality should exclusively be boxed with idealism.

On Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:35 PM, "Jiten Roy [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:

Use Bangla meaning of materialistic and spiritualistic to understand them.

Spiritualistic => Addhyattik
Materialistic => Bastovbadik

From: "Shah Deeldar [mukto-mona]" <>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:12 PM
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