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Saturday, December 6, 2014

Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

Durga is dasabhuja, i.e., she has ten hands. Her birth is similar to that of Athena. Vedic Saraswati ultimately transformed to Durga. Saraswati is also Sarah in Abrahamic religions, and Anahita/Anat in ancient Persian and Mesopotamian religions. She had fought and destroyed her consort. Mahishasur, an avatar of Shiva, is Ahura Majda. Any ancient sage could write a myth. The stories are not clueless. Most goddesses and nymphs/apsaras represent Venus. In Egypt, she is Isis, one with ten thousand stories.

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On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:31 AM, "ANISUR RAHMAN [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:


If Hinduism believes in the trinity of gods, then where does the goddess Durga, who with eight arms defeated the buffalo demon, Mahishura fit in? Surely in Durga Puja, Hindus celebrate this victory of goddess Durga. Then there is goddess Saraswati and many other gods and goddesses. These are all confusing.

- AR

From: "Subimal Chakrabarty [mukto-mona]" <>
Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014, 16:37
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

Hindu trinity Brahma-Visnu-Mahadev includes Brahma who is the creator while Visnu and Mahadev are sustainer and destroyer respectively. 

Yes, God (gods, goddesses, demons, etc. included) and religion are inseparable in most cases. 

Nietzsche said that God was dead. But as we know, He is not. He is still doing and undoing things depending on whose God He is. God will be living until man will live. 

Shitola Devi is still worshipped maybe not at the same rate as before. I agree, modernization will bring the number of gods and goddesses down. 

The bottom line is, I agree, lives in the mind of the believer. 

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On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Kamal Das [mukto-mona] <> wrote:

God is a creator only in Abrahamic religions. In it, God needs religion and vice versa. God is mortal too, albeit with longer lifespan than human beings. For example, with eradication of small pox virus, Goddess Sheetala has become extinct. Mighty gods like Marduk, Mithra, Wodin, and Zeus are all dead. Presently, God lives only in the mind of devotee. Like demons and ghosts, God has disappeared with the advancement of science.

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On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:16 PM, "sanjeev kulkarni [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:

Jiten,  Can any thing live any where without having existence ? 

If god has only one attribute or characteristic then every individual can claim for him god means XXXX (where XXXX stands for creator,  truth, spirit, love, barby doll, some prophet, avtar, saint, big bang, black hole etc. etc.  --pick your favourite attribute and put it  in place of XXXX   as per your liking and ask whether atheist can accept it. But 
if you study all the religions, god is not just a single attribute but it is  sum total of all supposed attributes of god viz. creator, dispenser of justice, punisher of evil, sustainer of order, capable of bending rules by way of miracles to favour his devotees to answer 
prayers , sender of messages and prophets and taking birth as avtar to destroy evil, 
intelligent designer etc.  Unless you believe in most of the attributes, you cannot say 
you believe in god. 

 Just believing in spirit, or creator etc. does not make it god in totality.  And we 
atheists do not believe there is any thing in the universe which meet most of the 
criteria and supposed attributes.  For any thing like this to exist, the  universe will 
have to violate many laws of nature, which is simply impossible.  Nature does not 
make exception to its rule no matter how holy the person or entity is.  


From: "Jiten Roy [mukto-mona]" <>
To: "" <>
Sent: Friday, 5 December 2014 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

Yes, Sanjeev, you need to define God first. If I say, my God has no existence, He lives in the spirit, then where the question of existence of God come from? Atheists should not have trouble accepting this God. Isn't it? 

Jiten Roy


From: "sanjeev kulkarni [mukto-mona]" <>
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

Define god ?  Poison by any name will kill.



Posted by: Kamal Das <>

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