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Saturday, July 11, 2015

[mukto-mona] Re: Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury's New York Speech

Yeah, more studies of Islam would make it more understandable as if it was built on the basis of science and scientific arguments. What Mr. Bash brings forward here.. have more logic and substances than you will ever bring with your poor knowledge of Islamic history and its historical analysis. What part of Islam needs to be studied more when most of it basically copied, pasted and grabbed?  How did your forefathers become Muslims when they did not know a single word of Arabic language? Even to this day, nobody understands Islam except people like Al-Bagda-di? Bringing Adam and Eve in this equation is rather idiotic because Islam was created in the 7th century and Adam and Eve were not born in the same century. Or, did they? Did Islam exist before our human civilization began? What a dumb proposition!

Gaffar Choudhury is simply a brilliant man with true knowledge. He is not the last one to stir pot, which has huge problems. Without him many Abedins would be still be working for Pakistani masters because Pakistan is located closer to holy Kabba..

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 3:15 AM, zainul abedin <> wrote:
Mr. Bamboo or Borakh Bash
You know the term "bash" in English mainly means assault, what bamboo does!

I should not repeat the same thing again and again.  There are some problems in basic understanding of Islam. Islam is a culmination of all stages of one religion into a name.  If you want to refer to Islam please study about it properly. I/we always say: Islam is not a new religion.

I will just refer to the first sentence of your posted article: "Long before Islam came in to existence, Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia  was  a pilgrimage site." The message of this part "Kaaba, ....  was  a pilgrimage site" has no problem. Problem is with this part: "Long before Islam came in to existence." Islam came into existence right from Baba Adam (AS). Please read the following messages, such as The Core of Islam, you will get some (not full) understanding.

I do not blame you nor others for saying: "Long before Islam came in to existence, ......" Our history books have been written in this wrong way and we have learned wrong things, in many cases!

More readings will give us proper understanding of overlapping and/or similarities of different religious issues of different times followed in successions. In the succession process, people of all times have to obey the (new) Orders of God/Allah, and concurrent Prophet(s), among whom Muhammad (SM) is the last one. Following God's/Allah's Orders not fully, but partially or not at all made many people "disbelievers" at all times.

Best wishes,

Zainul Abedin

The Core of Islam
The main message of Islam is the same basic message in all revealed religions, as they are all are from the same source, and the reasons for disparity found between religions.
By M. Abdulsalam (© 2006
The Inclusiveness of Islam: The Finality of Prophethood
By Jamaal al-Din Zarabozo (© 2007
What is meant here by "the inclusiveness of Islam" is that fact that Islam is for all times and places. ….
The Prophet Muhammad himself said:
"I have been sent to all of the creation and the prophets have been sealed by me." (Saheeh Muslim)
Again, he said:
"The Children of Israel were led by the prophets; whenever a prophet died, a prophet succeeded (him).  Lo!  There will be no prophet after me" (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim)
Thus, there finally came the Prophet who explicitly declared that he is the final prophet.  The Prophets who came before the Prophet—as far as can be seen from what is narrated from them—did not make such a claim regarding themselves.  Thus, for example, in Deuteronomy 18:17-19, God is telling Moses that He is going to send another messenger "like unto him" in the future.  In the New Testament, in John 14:15-16, Jesus speaks of "another Comforter" being sent by God.  (Also in John 16:7-8 and John 16:12-13 Jesus speaks of someone coming in the future.)  On the other hand, the Prophet Muhammad made it very clear that no prophet would come after him.
God has also said:
"…This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…" (Quran 5:3)
Thus, the religion is completed and perfected and there is no need for any alteration or change.  The message has come and shall suffice until the Day of Judgment.  The Prophet sent for all peoples has already come.

On Fri, 7/10/15, Borakh Bash <> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury's New York Speech
 To: "zainul abedin" <>
 Cc: "Bangladeshi Americans" <>, "Nabdc Group" <>, "BDPANA" <>, "Bazlul Wahab" <>, "Akm Rahman" <>, "NewEngland Awami League" <>, "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <>, "bachchuhaq13" <>, "" <>, "Shah DeEldar" <>, "Dr.Gholam Mostofa" <>, "Farida Majid" <>, "saokot hossain" <>, "Quazi Nuruzzaman" <>
 Date: Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:28 PM

 Long before Islam
 came in to existence, Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia  was
 a pilgrimage site. The word Kaaba might have come from the
 Tamil  Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil
 Nadu Kabaalishwaran  temple is Lord Shiva's temple and
 Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The  black stone at Kaaba is
 held sacred and holy in Islam and is called  "Hajre
 Aswad" from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or
 Non-white stone.  The Shiva Lingam is also called Sanghey
 Ashweta. So what is in Kaaba  could be the same what Hindus
 worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at  the centre of the
 Kaaba is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal  of
 Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. Muslim
 pilgrims  visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven
 times. In no other mosque  does the circumambulation
 prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate or  Pradakshina,
 around their deities. This is yet another proof that the 
 Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic. In Shiva temples Hindus
 always practice  circumambulation or Pradakshina. Just as
 in Hinduism, the custom of  circumambulation by muslim
 pilgrims around the entire Kaaba building  seven times
 shows that the claim that in Islam they don't worship
 stones  is not true.
 Allah was one of the
 deities in Kaaba long before Islam was founded. It  might
 come as a stunning revelation to many that the word
 'ALLAH' itself  is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language
 Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms.  They signify a goddess
 or mother. The term 'ALLAH' forms part of  Sanskrit
 chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani,
 Chandi  and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God
 is., therefore, not an  innovation but the ancient Sanskrit
 appellation retained and continued  by Islam. Allah means
 mother or goddess and mother goddess.
 The King
 Vikramaditya inscription was found on a gold dish hung
 inside  the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt
 that the Arabian  Peninsula formed a part of his Indian
 Empire. (Ref: page 315 of a volume  known as
 'Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania
 library in  Istanbul, Turkey). King Vikrama's preachers
 had succeeded in spreading  the Vedic Hindu sacred
 scriptures in Arabia and Arabs were once  followers of the
 Indian Vedic way of life. The annual fair known as OKAJ 
 which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in
 Mecca and  the present annual hajj of the Muslims to the
 Kaaba is of earlier  pre-Islamic congregation. . Even to
 this day ancient Siva emblems can be  seen. It is the
 Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently 
 touch and kiss in the Kaaba.
 Muslims shave their
 head and beard and don special sacred attire that  consists
 of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn
 round  the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both
 these rites are  remnants of the old Vedic practice of
 entering Hindu temples clean and  with holy seamless white
 sheets. According to the Encyclopedia  Britannica, the
 Kaaba has 360 idols. Traditional accounts mention that  one
 of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was
 stormed  was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and
 yet another was one  called Allah. That shows that in the
 Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine  planets in pre-Islamic
 days. In India the practice of 'Navagraha' puja, 
 that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two
 of these  nine are Saturn and Moon. In India the crescent
 moon is always painted  across the forehead of the Siva
 symbol. Since that symbol was associated  with the Siva
 emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of 
 The Hindu Vedic
 letter in Sanskrit "OM" if seen in a mirror one
 can see  the Arabic numbers 786 and this is the most sacred
 number for Muslims  and copies of the Arabic Koran have the
 mysterious figure 786 imprinted  on them. In their
 ignorance simply they do not realize that this special 
 number is nothing more than the holiest of Vedic symbols
 misread and  none of the Arabic scholar has been able to
 determine how they chose 786  as the sacred for them. In
 short muslims are also going around Siva  Lingam at Kaaba,
 seven times as Hindus go around it seven times.
 few miles away from Mecca are a big signboard which bars the
 entry of  any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder
 of the days when the  Kaaba was stormed and captured solely
 for the newly established faith of  Islam. The object in
 barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to  prevent its
 recapture. Kaaba is clothed in a black shroud. This custom 
 also originated from the days when it was thought necessary
 to  discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.
 Another Hindu
 tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred 
 stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According
 to the Hindu  tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the
 Shiva emblem as the  crescent moon. Wherever there is a
 Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist.  True to that association
 a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water  is held
 sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga 
 since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).

 2015-07-10 17:53 GMT-04:00
 'zainul abedin' via Bangladeshi-Americans Living in
 New England <>:
 Alaikum, brother Shaheen,

 A well-researched article. Thank you so much for this useful
 article (May Allah give you Barakat).

 I already made a few comments. Here is a little bit about
 Gachow's (I used this term before) intellectual
 bankruptcy/dishonesty (though he is a very well-known
 personality) about the word "Rasul." Rasul can
 convey different meanings/messages by its differential
 contexts of uses, as you said.

 There are many words (of the same spelling and sound), which
 carry different meanings due  to changes in use-contexts.
 For example, "Watch" by which we can mean just
 seeing/observing (watch out), while it's another meaning
 of wrist-watch (that gives us time).

 Most important thing is: Gachow has a sworn mission of
 anti-Islam advocacy that made him arrogant and ultimately
 ignorant in many cases, such as his speech at the
 BD-Mission. Iblis lost his position from and earned the
 curse of Allah (SWT) due to arrogance, which ultimately
 earned him nothing but idiocy (he became the great

 Khoda Hafez,

 Zainul Abedin


 On Fri, 7/10/15, 'Bazlul Wahab' via
 Bangladeshi-Americans Living in New England <>

  Subject: Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury's New York Speech

  To: "Bangladeshi Americans" <>,
 "Nabdc Group" <>,
 "BDPANA" <>

  Date: Friday, July 10, 2015, 12:37 PM

    Dear All:

  As Salamu Alaikum. Hope Ramadan is going


  Recently, Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury

  (I'll mention him as AGC now on) gave a speech

  in New York City (NYC) that caused quite a bit of

  uproar. I've decided to listen to his speech before

  making any conclusion. I listened (watched) to his

  speech he delievered in NYC. I don't think AGC is

  Islamic scholar. An Islamic scholar would provide

  from the Holy Qur'an & Sahih (authentic) Hadith

  providing exmaples, facts which AGC didn't do. It

  appears that the NYC meeting/program was not based on a

  religious topic. It's puzzling why AGC choose to

  about Islam during the holy month of Ramadan despite it

  not an Islamic topic program.

  Anyway, from his speech in NYC, in my

  humble understanding, I've found out that he did

  some false information on Islam. They are:


  AGC mentioned mushriks deities (idols) names'

  can be found in Allah's 99 names (known as

  "Al-Asmaul Husna"). Actually AGC's claim

  completely false. On the contrary, not a single name out

  99 names are same as any deity's (idol's) name.

  Definitely, the mushriks would have been very happy, if

  Allah's 99 names had been taken from their

  names. But obviuosly, that's not the case.


  AGC mentioned there was no "porda" (dress

  during Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) time and

  that "porda" was added later on by others.

  This is false. In fact, verses 30 and 31 of
 SurahAn Noor (24:30-31) and verse 59 of Surah Al

  Ahzab (33:59) revealed to provide
 dress code to Muslim men

  and women. And as soon as any verse revealed, that has

  become mandatory on Muslims and at that time, Muslims

  implemented them immediately. AGC said

  implemented 'Porda,' which is completely false.

  It's the commandment of Allah (swt) through the

  Qur'an (I cited references above) to Prophet

  (pbuh) which then was taught, practiced and

  implemented immediately during Prophet Muhammad's

  (pbuh) time.

  To prove his point, AGC said Aishah (our

  Prophet's wife) fought in a battle while sitting on

  horse. So she didn't do any

  'porda.' Actually Aishah (May Allah be Please

  with her) did take part in a battle but she was sitting on

  camel (not on a horse), but it is false that during

  battle Aishah didn't do any 'porda.' This

  took place about 34 years after the death of Prophet

  (pbuh). Aishah was one of the best scholars in Islam, one

  the wives of our beloved Prophet, she is one of the

  examples to Muslims and yet AGC tried to claim, since

  fought a battle, she didn't wearing proper Islamic

  attire mandated by the Holy Qur'an. This alone

  constitutes an insult to Aishah, because after

  Quar'nic veres on the guidelines of proper Islamic

  attire (I provided Qur'anic references above) Aishah

  definitely wearing the proper Islamic attire all the

  even during that battle. Therefore, AGC's claim

  Aishah didn't do 'porda' during that battle

  completely false.

  This battle took place about 34 years after

  the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and we all know

  the whole revelation of the Holy Qur'an was

  during Prophet's (pbuh) lifetime. So it's not

  Aishah was in the battle before the Qur'anic verses

  Islamic attire were revealed, but it's many years

  Prophet's (pbuh) death.


  AGC was also very critical on the fact that in his

  Bangladesh is seeing increasing numbers of hijab,

  tupis. Why would this bother him when Muslim men and

  women can use hijab, burqa, tupis to follow the

  verses and our Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) sunnah and

  guidelines? Some women choose to wear burqa, because

  think that's safe for them so that they don't

  noticed by other men. Yes, covering face by women is

  mandatory, but if some women choose to cover their

  what is wrong with them? What is wrong with wearing,

  burqa, tupi, if Muslims choose to do so?

  (4) AGC was trying to

  explain the Arabic word, "Rasul." The word

  "Rasul" could be used by Arabic speakers in

  broader sense to simply mean a 'representative.'

  the term "Rasulullah" (Rasul + Allah) has

  used for all major Prophets including Prophet Muhammad,

  E'esah (Jesus), Moses. Muslims know very well that

  Prophet Muhammad is "Rasulullah." Prophet

  E'esah (Jesus) was also mentioned as

  "Rasulullah" in verse 157 of Surah An Nisa

  (4:157). He could have cited this example. But I assume

  doesn't know about references from the Holy

  Instead he foolishly tried to cite Nehru's example

  saying when Nehru was visiting Saudi Arabia, he was

  with the world "Marhaba Rasul Al Salam"

  means "welcome, messenger of peace." It was

  completely unnecesary to bring Nehru into this, because

  could have cited Qur'anic example to show other

  besides prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were also mentioned as

  "Rasulullah" (messenger of Allah).

  Though I'm not a scholar, I feel as a

  Muslim, it is my duty to speak up especially when AGC

  provided some false information on Islam. Please feel

  to correct me, if there is/are any error(s) in my

  and facts. May Allah help us. May Allah give

  "Hidayah" (guidance) to AGC.

  Thank you.




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