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Re: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)

The biggest holocaust in World History...whitewashed from history

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The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognised by the World.

The only similar genocide in the recent past was that of the Jewish people at the hands of the Nazis; of the Africans during the slave trade and also the almost total extermination of native populations like the Aboriginal people in Australia and the native Indians, Aztecs, Incas, etc. in North and South America.

The holocaust of the Hindus in India was of even greater proportions, the only difference was that it continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700's.

We have elaborate literary evidence of the World's biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India's Hindus.

These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed - and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, mass rapes of Hindu women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World's biggest holocaust.
Quotes from modern historians
Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article "Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?" states:

 "There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty.

The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526)."He also writes in his book "Negation in India":

"The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter."
Will Durant argued in his 1935 book "The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage" (page 459):
"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period."

Writer Fernand Braudel wrote in A History of Civilisations (1995), that Islamic rule in India as a
 "colonial experiment" was "extremely violent", and "the Muslims could not rule the country except by systematic terror. Cruelty was the norm – burnings, summary executions, crucifixions or impalements, inventive tortures. Hindu temples were destroyed to make way for mosques. On occasion there were forced conversions. If ever there were an uprising, it was instantly and savagely repressed: houses were burned, the countryside was laid waste, men were slaughtered and women were taken as slaves."Alain Danielou in his book, Histoire de l' Inde writes:

"From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of  murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of 'a holy war' of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races."

Irfan Husain in his article "Demons from the Past" observes:
"While historical events should be judged in the context of their times, it cannot be denied that even in that bloody period of history, no mercy was shown to the Hindus unfortunate enough to be in the path of either the Arab conquerors of Sindh and south Punjab, or the Central Asians who swept in from Afghanistan…The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed some dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.

"Their temples were razed, their idols smashed, their women raped, their men killed or taken slaves. When Mahmud of Ghazni entered Somnath on one of his annual raids, he slaughtered all 50,000 inhabitants. Aibak killed and enslaved hundreds of thousands. The list of horrors is long and painful. These conquerors justified their deeds by claiming it was their religious duty to smite non-believers. Cloaking themselves in the banner of Islam, they claimed they were fighting for their faith when, in reality, they were indulging in straightforward slaughter and pillage..."
A sample of contemporary eyewitness accounts of the invaders and rulers, during the Indian conquests
The  Afghan ruler Mahmud al-Ghazni invaded India no less than seventeen times between 1001 - 1026 AD. The book 'Tarikh-i-Yamini' - written by his secretary documents several episodes of his bloody military campaigns : "The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at the Indian city of Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it…the infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river...but many of them were slain, taken or drowned... Nearly fifty thousand men were killed."
In the contemporary record - ' Taj-ul-Ma'asir' by Hassn Nizam-i-Naishapuri, it is stated that when Qutb-ul- Din Aibak (of Turko - Afghan origin and the First Sultan of Delhi 1194-1210 AD) conquered Meerat, he demolished all the Hindu temples of the city and erected mosques on their sites. In the city of Aligarh, he converted Hindu inhabitants to Islam by the sword and beheaded all those who adhered to their own religion.
The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book 'Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar' that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves. 

This ruler once asked his spiritual advisor (or 'Qazi') as to what was the Islamic law prescribed for the Hindus. The Qazi replied:
"Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu's mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated."
Timur was a Turkic conqueror and founder of the Timurid Dynasty. Timur's Indian campaign (1398 – 1399 AD) was recorded in his memoirs, collectively known as 'Tuzk-i-Timuri.' In them, he vividly described probably the greatest gruesome act in the entire history of the world – where 100,000 Hindu prisoners of war in his camp were executed in a very short space of time. Timur after taking advice from his entourage says in his memoirs :
"they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty.

"In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword'
Timur thereupon resolved to put them to death. He proclaimed :
"throughout the camp that every man who has infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasir-ud-din Umar, a counselor and a man of learning, who, in all his life had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives".
During his campaign in India - Timur describes the scene when his army conquered the Indian city of Delhi :
"In a short space of time all the people in the [Delhi] fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers.

"They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground....All these infidel Hindus were slain, their women and children, and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors. I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death."
The Mughal emperor Babur (who ruled India from 1526 -1530 AD) writing in his memoirs called the 'Baburnama' -  wrote : " In AH 934 (2538 C.E.) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours.  We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been Daru'l-Harb (nation of non-muslims) for years was made into a Daru'l-Islam (a muslim nation)."
In Babur's own words in a poem about killing Hindus (From the 'Baburnama' ) he wrote :
"For the sake of Islam I became a wanderer,
I battled infidels and Hindus,
I determined to become a martyr
Thank God I became a Killer of Non-Muslims!"
The atrocities of the Mughal ruler Shah Jahan (who ruled India between 1628 - 1658 AD) are mentioned in the contemporary record called : 'Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahori' and goes on to state : "When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus...The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts....Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars (Noblemen)"
The Afghan ruler Ahmad Shah Abdali attacked India in 1757 AD and made his way to the holy Hindu city of Mathura, the Bethlehem of the Hindus and birthplace ofKrishna.

The atrocities that followed are recorded in the contemporary chronicle called : 'Tarikh-I-Alamgiri' :
"Abdali's soldiers would be paid  5 Rupees (a sizeable amount at the time) for every enemy head brought in. Every horseman had loaded up all his horses with the plundered property, and atop of it rode the girl-captives and the slaves. The severed heads were tied up in rugs like bundles of grain and placed on the heads of the captives...Then the heads were stuck upon lances and taken to the gate of the chief minister for payment.

"It was an extraordinary display! Daily did this manner of slaughter and plundering proceed. And at night the shrieks of the women captives who were being raped, deafened the ears of the people...All those heads that had been cut off were built into pillars, and the captive men upon whose heads those bloody bundles had been brought in, were made to grind corn, and then their heads too were cut off. These things went on all the way to the city of Agra, nor was any part of the country spared."
Why we should remember
"Holocaust Memorial Day (HMD) is the international day of remembrance for the victims of the Holocaust and of other genocides" (Holocaust Memorial Day Trust)
The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history.
When we hear the word HOLOCAUST most of us think immediately of the Jewish holocaust. Today, with increased awareness and countless cinema films and television documentaries - many of us are also aware of the Holocaust of the Native American peoples, the genocide of the Armenian peoples in the Ottoman Empire, and the millions of African lives lost during the Atlantic slave trade.
The World  seems to either ignore or just does not seem to care about the many millions of lives lost during the 800 - year long holocaust of Hindus in India.
The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.
Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times – including the 10th Sikh Guru - Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king – Shivaji Maratha – who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s - after centuries of death and destruction.
The modern World today is facing a global threat from organizations and groups of terrorists such as the Taliban and Al-Qaeeda - whose ideology is chillingly similar to that of the perpetrators of the World's biggest holocaust in India. Also ironically – these terrorist groups are growing and launching attacks in exactly those areas that suffered extensively during India's holocaust. Let us hope that the bloody lessons of the past are learnt so that history does not even have the remotest chance of repeating itself.

Bibliography, Articles and Links:

Negationism in India, by Dr Koenrad Elst. (Voice of India, New Delhi.)
"Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?" (article) by Dr. Koenraad Elst (

 Rewriting Indian History by Francois Gautier (Vikas Publishing House, New Delhi 1996)
''Aurangzeb, as he was according to Mughal Records''(An exhibition) by Francois Gautier's Trust : 'FACT – India'  URL(
The Story of Civilization. Vol. 1: Our Oriental Heritage by Will Durant (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1935.)
A History of Civilisations by Fernand Braudel (Penguin Books, New York 1995)
Histoire de l'Inde, by Jean Danielou. (Editions Fayard, Paris.)
Growth of Muslim population in India (A.D. 1000-1800) by  K.S. Lal. (Voice of India, New Delhi.)
"Demons from the Past" (article in the 'Daily Times', Pakistan  August 30, 2004) by Irfan Husain (

The 'Hindu Wisdom' website : website :

The Hindu Holocaust Museum website :

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty [mukto-mona] <> wrote:

Farida apa, I know you are a deeply religious person. But your faith level is so high that even many atheists cannot reach that level when it comes to open mindedness, expressing secular and liberal ideals, and tolerance. Some people have accused you of being a closet fundamentalist. They don't know what they are taking about. I hope they  will carefully read your piece on Bande Mataram. I myself never thought about the spirit of the song the way you have looked at it. 
Apnake pronam. 

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On Jul 1, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Farida Majid <> wrote:

"mukto-mona Yahoogroups" <>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:14 PM
From its inception during the Independence Movement, Bande Mataram controversy was artificially canned by shrewd manipulators of communal politics posing as village idiots pitifully needing protection of their "religious sentiments." The recent re-visiting of the controversy was unnecessary and a publicity stunt by the Deoband Maulanas.
Some quick facts:
                           The text is completely secular (with no ref. to the Vedas, Upanishads or the Geeta)
                            It was composed before the writing of the novel, Anandamath
                            The novel is mis-characterized as anti-Muslim or against Muslim rule of Bengal, and a recent English translation confirms that there is no full-blown communalism in the text
                            The song was written for Mother Bengal and addressed to her 'saat koti' children, half of whom were Muslims. In a sly bit of editing, 'saat koti' was changed to 'koti koti' thereby not only decoupling it from Bengal, but also distorting the song's homage to Mother Bengal and turning it into a divine Durga. By then Bankim was long dead, and had nothing to do with this doctoring of his song's text.

[So Kamal Das lying about 'tyrannical Muslim rule' whose reference he got from the American historian Will Durant, the popular "Readers' Digest"-y type of writer in the 1950s whom no one reads seriously any more, is a bit farcical and part of the ongoing communal bs about the innocent song].
Like the popular American sports news-broadcaster bellows on camera: "Let's go to the videotape!" I would like to roll the 'tape' of the time of production of the text of Bande Mataram.
At around the timing of the composition of the song, it would be more than a couple of decades since the British had dropped all mercantile pretensions and gobbled up India as a part of its Empire. The not-too-distant memory of the bitter battles fought and lost in 1857 is still smarting in many a heart. Bengal, whose plentiful wealth had been systematically robbed to enrich the British Treasury for more than a hundred years now, is the seat of governance of this foreign imperial power over whole India.  Calcutta, a flourishing metropolis, was turning out an educated urban middle class whose intellectual and cultural accomplishments far surpassed the expectations of Mill-Macaulay & Co. who wanted nothing more than mediocre servicemen of the Empire by their Indian education policies.  Bankim was the first graduate of the newly established Calcutta University after trudging through an incredibly cumbersome and tough syllabus.
Exposure to English language and literature acted as an enabler in the rapid development of Bengali as a modern language.  There was a new awakening of love and pride for motherland and mother language, and nostalgia for the freedom that used to belong to the people in the pre-colonial era. Bengal had traded with foreigners for centuries, and even endured Company rule since the fall of Sirajuddowla in 1757.  Heavy taxation and privatization of community land caused unprecedented famine (1770) that devastated the population. Even so, the effect of outright colonization took some time to sink in.  Bankim lamented in one of his essays: "Nowadays we hear a lot about Administrator and all sorts of rules and regulations. In this land in the olden times you could call a bunyan tree an 'administrator' (shasonkarta)". By which Bankim is stating unambiguously that we Bangalis were a free, self-governed nation under the Muslim Kings before the British came and took away our freedom.
Bankim's Bande Mataram was the most powerful, but many of his contemporary poets and composers, both Hindus and Muslims, wrote paeans for Mother Bangla (the word 'bangla' denoting both the land and the language).  Two generations after Bankim, my grandfather, the poet Golam Mostafa composed his song showing clear influence of both Bankim and Iqbal's 'Sare jahan se': "Shakol desher chaite shera moder Bangladesh, sujala sufala shasya-shyamola snigdho shitalabesh." Kazi Nazrul Islam, one of the greatest Bengali poets, my nana's friend, wrote: "Namo namo namo Bangladesh momo, chiromonoramo, chiro madhur." Unfortunately the village idiots of Bangladesh today do not sing Nazrul's song because it has 'namo namo namo' as invocation that is considered a bit too Hindu-like. Invocations are common parlance, and any speaker of that language should be free to use them regardless of the religious identity of that person.  Imagine Hindi/Urdu-speaking Hindus not singing A. R. Rahman's "Ma, tujhe salaam" because 'salaam' sounds Muslim-like!
[Will be continued with more facts and findings .. .. .. ]
                 Farida Majid

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:16:10 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)


East India Company was displaced by British Government as a consequence of 1857 right away.

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On Jun 29, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty [mukto-mona] <> wrote:


The time period in the novel was the transition period in the history of Bengal. 1757 had already happened. The a East India Company was in the process of taking over. The administration was practically in the hands of a Muslim and a Hindu who jointly ran the local administration. Corruption was rampant. That is the time when the infamous Chhiattorer monwontor eclipsed Bengal. Rebels came from among the common masses. 

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On Jun 28, 2015, at 10:25 PM, Kamal Das [mukto-mona] <> wrote:


Bande Mataram, the slogan, was used against the British. Muslim rulers became history when it was written. Common Muslims hadn't become a significant political force in Bengal. The novel in which the song became a part ends with solace that Muslim tyranny had ended and just rule by the British had come.

War cry or patriotic fervor? Isn't patriotism just another religion? As Dr. Johnson said, it is the last refuge of scoundrels.

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On Jun 28, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Sukhamaya Bain [mukto-mona] <> wrote:


War cry or patriotic fervor; but was it against the Muslims or against the British? I knew that many Muslims did not like the song because it had a distinct Hindu flavor. But I never heard of it being used against the Muslims during a riot. 

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:47 PM, "Kamal Das [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:

Bande Mataram was indeed the war cry, like Joy Bangla, during the Swadeshi Movement, but only in Bengal not elsewhere in India.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jiten Roy [mukto-mona] <> wrote:
Ali Saheen's comments appear to be childish to me. It seems like she is just arguing without substance. She needs linguistic abilities and some research about the pretexts of the song, as Farida Majid mentioned, to understand Bande Mataram. Without which, it will be misunderstood, as many people do.
Anyway, this is what I found about Bande Mataram:

This is the summary of a lecture delivered by Sri Aurobindoin the Grand Square of the National School, Amraoti, Berar, on January 29, 1908. The meeting commenced with the singing of Bande Mataram
Bande Mataram – a mantra with hidden meaning
Song in Bengali of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee
translation by Sri Aurobindo (November 20, 1909)
Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Dark fields waving, Mother of might,
Mother free.
Glory of moonlight dreams
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease,
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother, I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.
Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands,
When the swords flash out in twice seventy million hands
And seventy millions voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call, Mother and Lord!
Thou who savest, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foemen drave
Back from plain and sea
And shook herself free.
Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
Thou our heart, our soul, our breath,
Thou the love divine, the awe
In our hearts that conquers death.
Thine the strength that nerves the arm,
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
Every image made divine
In our temples is but thine.
Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother, lend thine ear.
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleams,
Dark of hue, O candid-fair
In thy soul, with jewelled hair
And thy glorious smile divine,
Loveliest of all earthly lands,
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
Mother, mother mine!
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
Mother great and free.
Sri Aurobindo said that he was exceedingly pleased to know that the song had become so popular in all parts of India and that it was being so repeatedly sung. He said that he would make this national anthem the subject of his speech.
The song, he said, was not only a national anthem to be looked on as the European nations look upon their own, but one replete with mighty power, being a sacred mantra, revealed to us by the author of "Ananda Math", who might be called an inspired Rishi. He described the manner in which the mantra had been revealed to Bankim Chandra, probably by a Sannyasi under whose teaching he was. He said that the mantra was not an invention, but a revivification of the old mantra which had become extinct, so to speak, by the treachery of one Navakishan. The mantra of Bankim Chandra was not appreciated in his own day, and he predicted that there would come a time when the whole of India would resound with the singing of the song, and the word of the prophet was miraculously fulfilled.
The meaning of the song was not understood then because there was no patriotism except such as consisted in making India the shadow of England and other countries which dazzled the sight of the sons of this our Motherland with their glory and opulence. The so-called patriots of that time might have been the well-wishers of India but not men who loved her. One who loved his mother never looked to her defects, never disregarded her as an ignorant, superstitious, degraded and decrepit woman. 
The speaker then unfolded the meaning of the song. As with the individual, so with the nation, there were three bodies or koshas, the sth's'a and k'na shariras. In this way the speaker went on clearing up the hidden meaning of the song. The manner in which he treated of love and devotion was exceedingly touching and the audience sat before him like dumb statues, not knowing where they were or whether they were listening to a prophet revealing to them the higher mysteries of life.
He then concluded with a most pathetic appeal to true patriotism and exhorted the audience to love the Motherland and sacrifice everything to bring about her salvation.
First published in "Bande Mataram", January 29, 1908


From: "Sukhamaya Bain [mukto-mona]" <>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:54 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)

Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla) - so says Farida Majid in a post June 26, 2015, in the Mukto-Mona forum. Let me quote her, "I had posted a long, well-researched, linguistically analyzed article on Bankim's Bande Mataram, supporting the claim that the text of the song had nothing against Muslims, and in fact INCLUDES Muslims (as arithmetical half) as part of Bangla Ma's 'sontan'."
She also complained that Dr. Kamal Das, Dr. Jiten Roy and I did not remember her article. Let me say sorry to her for not remembering her article; I am actually not very good at remembering anything.
However, let me advise her that the three gentlemen's name she mentioned know that Bande Mataram is not a hate-song against the Muslims. I personally would not propose it in its entirety to be the national anthem of a pluralistic India. For that purpose, I would expunge the fourth and fifth stanzas, where Hindu deities and temples are invoked. As I wrote before, I can understand that many Muslims would not like this song as the national anthem; but this song certainly was not used for actually hating or hurting the Muslims.
The point is not really if the above three persons remember Ms. Majid's article. Ms. Majid needs to educate people like Ali Shaheen and the worse creatures in the forums and elsewhere.
BTW: Ms. Majid also did not like my statement that "she masquerades as a rational human being, but in reality her mind is subservient to the prescriptions of her religion, which obviously she cannot hide. I feel pity for her kind of people who, in spite of a good deal of academic accomplishment in humanities/sciences, remain captive to the stupidity and hatred of their religions."
Let me challenge Ms. Majid to prove me wrong. Ms. Majid, could you cite some verses in the Quran that should be actually discarded/disregarded? You need to tell the Muslims unequivocally, "these verses in the Quran are wrong; do not follow them."
Again, let me be clear that irrespective of what verses of the Quran are wrong and need to be discarded/disregarded, I wish nothing but the best for the Muslims. (That obviously means that I want them to live in an environment where they and the non-Muslims would treat each other with justice, dignity, human rights, citizenship rights, etc. - all the good things that all humans wish for themselves).
Sukhamaya Bain


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