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Sunday, August 16, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] The savages!

I actually have not read the entire Koran; and frankly, I do not think I would have the patience to read anything like that in its entirety. I have read enough to see that it is not worth my time. Please feel free to read as much as you wish/can, and talk based upon your real knowledge; but please do not perceive based upon hearsay. In fact, most religious Bangalee Muslims of our generation and earlier generations had their perceptions on hearsay, not on real knowledge. Even today, how many percent of the head-wagging Koran-memorizing madrassa students of Bangladesh do who think actually understand the language to know what they are reading?

BTW: How do you educate a PhD in Physics who would follow his religion to the extent of being really stupid? Example: before he prays in his corporate office that is immaculately clean, he would take his shoes and socks off and wash his feet. I just gave you an example of what I call innocent stupidity. But I can tell you that I would not be surprised to learn if it is found that this PhD-degree-holding moron is OK with the IS barbarians raping the Yazidi women, for example.



On Sunday, August 16, 2015 10:54 AM, "Subimal Chakrabarty [mukto-mona]" <> wrote:

I can guess you have read the entire Koran word for word and between lines. I am nowhere near you in this respect. My perception about Islam has been shaped by the writings of authors like Ibrahim Khan, Yakub Ali Chowdhury, Nazrul Islam, Dr. Shahidullah, Gholam Mistafa, Barkatullah, Mir Mosharraf Hossain, and so on. Many bards like Lalon and Sufi poets also have important role in shaping my perception. During my school years I had to read a memoir by Dr. Suniti Chatterjee in which there is a dialog between the author and a very ordinary Muslim co-passenger of the ship. I have grown up with Muslims along with my fellow Hindus. I still have many Muslim friends. Many of them are very religious. Are they not true Muslims? They will claim they are. 

My wife is proud of being a Hindu although he does not follow many things that an orthodox Hindu follows. Is she not a true Hindu? By Manu's standard she is not. If a fundamentalist view of a religion is the true religion, then should we trash the other views and thereby brand them as false Hindus? Why would they tolerate it? We have to see how she interprets her religious teachings and how much she accepts and how much she remains silent about. 

The problem with religion is that it is embedded in our psyche so deeply that it would be almost an impossible proposition to separate it from our lives. The lifelong confirmed atheist Dr. Ahmed Sharif understood this reality quite well. That's why attempts to bury religions by the communists or the proponents of Lokayata (Carvak) philosophy turned out to be boomerang. The best way would be to enlighten people through modern education, not by demeaning his religion but allowing them complete freedom in practicing his own religion in a more and more universally appealing way. 

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On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Abul Kasem [mukto-mona] <> wrote:

Please tell us why these jihadists are not true Muslims.


Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 16:37:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The savages!

Looks like only Mr. Abul Kasem and Abu-Bakr-Al-Baghdadi have fully understood the Islam preached by Muhammed. 

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On Aug 15, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Abul Kasem [mukto-mona] <> wrote:


He is not savage; he is a true Muslim.

He practices Islam as preached and practiced by Muhammad.

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:39:55 -0400
Subject: [mukto-mona] The savages!



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