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Saturday, October 21, 2017


Democracy is messy and no country really can boast about having the perfect one. When I see Bangladeshis judging other countries' democratic rules and principles, I get really nervous and furious. Because these dogs can't even spell the word right, let alone practice it in any setting whether it is on the state level or even small community settings. Please practice it home before you preach. Even some of these Bangladeshis have spent long years in a very democratic entity like western world, they have learned nothing except fighting with their fists and daggers. I have seen many such fights in NY and around. Democracy is not a damn Laddoo!

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Khoniker Othithee <> wrote:
India is the largest demcracy, that is because it has largest population among the demcratic countrie. It is for niave to think  big guys are great guys.  UK by no means large democracy , but it is arguably  the greatest example of democracy. It is silly to hound on the size population, especially when when that democracy has  largest number of representatives with criminal backgrounds.

Not too long back, in online version of  times of India had a scathing review on she state democracy in India. It mentioned, more than 25% has heinous crime in their background. It is not a model to envy of, specially when there many much superior model in europe, australia, American continent. Even in asia, there are few better model exist, like Japan  and South Korea.

My knowledge of history  on democracies may not be deep, but it not a subject that needs endless study. If some think they need prolong studies, that might as well give it up;  the bengali maxim, jar hoy , naw mashay, jar hoy na, hoy na nobbo-e bochoray.

On Fri, 10/20/17, Post Card <> wrote:

 To: "Rezaul Karim" <>
 Cc: "Jalal Uddin Khan" <>, "BNP Chairperson Office" <>, "Muazzam Kazi" <>, "zainul abedin" <>, "NOORIN" <>, "Mohammad Aleem" <>, "New England Bnp" <>, "Hussain Suhrawardy" <>, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <>, "MohammadGani" <>, "Zoglul Husain" <>,, "" <>, "Zillur R. Khan" <>, "<>" <>, "" <>, "Barrister MBI Munshi" <>, "Atiqur Rahman Salu" <>, "Tanvir Nowaz" <>
 Date: Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:11 PM

 We haven't heard anything from our Gani bhai
 about  the typical India and Burma lover highly distinguished professor who was perhaps
 misleading Bangladeshi scholars for such a long time!.

 On Fri, Oct 20, 2017
 at 5:38 PM, Rezaul Karim <>
 The professor's love for
 our two neighbors, India & Myanmar is so repugant in
 this context when Bangladesh has fallen victim to
  His biggest blunder, iI think, his unwarrented
 showing of love for Indian democracy( biggest!) &
 affection for ASSK,  justfying her role & defending her
 position in the mist of brutal military
 action.Now, when our own lady Hitler has
 expressed her dissatisfaction to both the friendly nations
 on the Rohigya issue, why the professor shyed away from
 it,  is a mystery.

 God Bless our professors.
 Rezaul Karim
 On Oct 20, 2017 2:46
 PM, "Jalal Uddin Khan" <>
 The professor missed a NOT after his love, Indian
 Hindu democracy, out of blind love for Hindustan.  To claim
 the most communal and sectarian Hindu fundamentalist and
 Muslim hating and Muslim killing India as a country of
 "democracy as its political ideology" is a totally
 wrong-headed and laughable assertion by him, like the BAL
 hasina claiming Jan 5 election as being fair. How could a
 man be a Shiva Sena lover and a supporter of democracy at
 the same time? Shiva Sena and Hasina BAL are the
 same--fascist. One cannot be BAL blind and at the same time
 democratic. India is a bastion and champion of communalism
 and caste system. Its ideology is communalism and
 fundamentalism and Hinduism. It supports and ptomotes the
 Hasina BAL fascists and the bloody militant Myanmar
 military. Wake up, Prof! Come to yr senses!
 On Oct 20, 2017 10:00
 PM, "Zillur R. Khan" <>
 for pointing out the typos! Please rethink the basis of my
 brief comment : Justice for All! Whether you like the
 quality of Indian Democracy, the fact is that India is the
 largest nation having Democracy as its political

 Zillur R. Khan,
 Ph.D.Rosebush Professor
 Emeritus,University of
 Wisconsin, andAdjunct
 Professor, Rollins College, USAChair, RC-37, IPSA (, Bangladesh
 On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Post Card <>

 It is unfortunate to see Prof Zillur Rahman's
 half backed ideas about India as being the "world's
 largest democracy" and Burmese leader Suu Kyi.being
 trained in such a country. Perhaps not known to the
 professor that she became a Buddhist fundamentalist from her
 training in India. The professor even writes the
 name Rohingya wrongly as "Rohyngias" a sign of the
 intellectual poverty of some India -lover Bangladeshi famous
 professors..A protesting Kashmiri
 girl in the occupied Kashmir
 On Fri, Oct 13, 2017
 at 3:24 PM, Zillur R. Khan <>
 goals aren't easy to achieve. What counts most for
 stability and peace is the continuous striving by
 leaders for
 JUSTICE. Ideological conflicts and striving to attain and
 maintain POWER(opioids for many leaders) have been
 undermining justice throughout human history. Justice, as
 Socrates put it, is to give everyone his due [as a human
 in India, the largest Democratic Nation of the
 Laureate Aung San Suu Chi has been taking strong stand for
 Democracy in Burma/Myanmar for which her mobility was
 severely restricted by the military regime. Now is the time,
 upholding the efforts of her assassinated father General
 Aung San, recognized as the Father of independence of Burma
 from the British Rule, Nobel Peace Laureate must take an
 exemplary stand for Justice for Rohyngias. Unfortunately,
 as long as the Military Rule continues, she is more
 concerned about her own survival than the survival of a
 small religious minority. Trying to change the constitution
 to end military rule could lead to her ultimate sacrifice
 wishes to you all,Zillur

 Zillur R. Khan,
 Ph.D.Rosebush Professor
 Emeritus,University of
 Wisconsin, andAdjunct
 Professor, Rollins College, USAChair, RC-37, IPSA (, Bangladesh
 On Oct 13, 2017, at 3:57 AM, Outlook Team <>

 From: Zoglul Husain (

 Thank you, Abid Bahar Bhai, for sharing. 

 on behalf of Post Card <>

 Sent: 13 October 2017 03:55

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 Tied by Old Hope, Diplomats in Myanmar Stay Silent

 As the humanitarian crisis for Rohingya Muslims worsens,
 envoys are reluctant to criticize Aung San Suu Kyi even
 though they seem to have been frozen out.



 News Analysis

 Hands Tied by Old Hope, Diplomats in Myanmar
 Stay Silent


 12, 2017

 refugees outside Cox's Bazar, in Bangladesh, last month.
 More than half a million Rohingya Muslims have fled to
  since late August, and hundreds of thousands more still in
 Myanmar may still be trying to cross the border.
 Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times

 YANGON, Myanmar — It is unfolding again:
 Troops have unleashed fire and rape and indiscriminate
 slaughter on a vulnerable minority, driving hundreds of
 thousands of civilians to flee and creating a humanitarian
 emergency that crosses borders.

 A crisis in Myanmar that
 many saw coming has brought a host of uncomfortable
 questions along with it: Why did the world — which
 promised "never again" after Rwanda and Bosnia, then
 Sudan and Syria — seemingly do so little to forestall an
 ethnic cleansing campaign by Myanmar's military?
  And what can be done now to address the urgent humanitarian
 calamity caused when more than half of Myanmar's ethnic
 Rohingya Muslims fled the country over just a few

 Outside Myanmar, criticism of its military
 has mounted. The United Nations secretary general, António
 Guterres, has urged "unfettered access" for
 international agencies and called the Rohingya crisis "the
 world's fastest-developing refugee emergency
  and a humanitarian and human rights

 President Emmanuel Macron of France has
 called it genocide. And there is talk, although still
 tentative, of the European Union's renewing targeted
 sanctions on people culpable in the violence that has driven
 the Rohingya from their homes in Rakhine,
  a state in western Myanmar.

 But in Yangon, Myanmar's
 commercial capital, where the diplomatic corps is based,
 there is still reluctance to call to task publicly either
 the military or the civilian administration led by Daw Aung
 San Suu Kyi. Some diplomats
  say they are trying to preserve whatever influence they may
 have left, in order to avert an even worse

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 More than half a million Rohingya Muslims
 have fled to Bangladesh since late August, when a Rohingya
 militant attack on Myanmar security posts catalyzed a brutal
 counteroffensive. Hundreds of thousands more remaining in
 Myanmar may still be trying
  to cross the border. Those who cannot flee are trapped and
 hungry in northern Rakhine, according to anecdotal evidence
 collected by international aid agencies, which the
 government has largely prevented from delivering relief
 supplies or even assessing need
  in the region.

 San Suu Kyi supporters at an 'Interreligious Gathering of
 Prayers for Peace' organized by her party in Yangon
 Tuesday.Credit Adam
  Dean for The New York Times

 "There are few places on Earth where we are
 denied access to this extent," said Jan Egeland, the
 secretary general of the Norwegian Refugee Council. "We
 have an office in northern Rakhine, we have staff there, we
 have supplies there, we could
  go tomorrow
 with our trucks — but we are being stopped. This is
 illegal, this is intolerable."

 I spoke to half a dozen ambassadors and
 senior aid agency staff members in Yangon about what the
 problem was. All asked to speak off the record.

 There are many reasons for their reticence,
 but a major one is this: Myanmar has been presented as a
 success story, despite a host of economic and ethnic

 in 2015 elevated Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace
 Prize laureate whose name was once
  a byword for acts of conscience, and seemed to usher in a
 chance for democracy to take hold.

 But whatever authority she has, as the
 nation's state counselor, is dwarfed by that of a military
 that ruled for nearly half a century and continues to
 monopolize power.

 Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi is not the one ordering
 Rohingya villages to be burned down or civilians to be
 massacred. That firepower lies with the Tatmadaw,
 Myanmar's military, led by Senior Gen. Min Aung

 In a Facebook post on
 Thursday recounting his meeting with the
 United States ambassador, Scot Marciel, the military chief
 called reports of a large exodus of Rohingya
  to Bangladesh an "exaggeration." He reiterated that
 Rohingya were "not the natives" of Myanmar.

 praying in Bengala Monastery in Yangon, this month. Over the
 past year or so, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi has played to hatred
  of Rohingya Muslims among Myanmar's Buddhist
 majority. Credit Adam
  Dean for The New York Times

 Diplomats say Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi used to
 express sympathy for the Rohingya in private, explaining
 that she could not speak out because of widespread hatred
 for them among Myanmar's Buddhist majority. But over the
 past year or so, she has played
  to that prejudice, referring instead to the Rohingya as
 illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.

 In a televised address on
 Thursday, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi pushed back
 against international criticism and promised to personally
 oversee efforts to bring peace to Rakhine
  and repatriate those who have fled to

 In the speech, as in an address delivered to
 foreign envoys last month, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi declined to
 tackle accusations that the military has unleashed arson,
 murder and rape on the Rohingya.

 Despite Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi's
 obfuscations, diplomats in Yangon have tended to avoid
 increasing public pressure. Veteran observers of Myanmar's
 military, which has long faced condemnation for its
 brutality toward civilians and ethnic minorities,
  have warned that an international shaming of a disgraced
 Nobel laureate is just what the generals want.

 "She gets all the criticism, and then the
 Tatmadaw gets to quietly do what it wants and what it has
 done for decades, which is to burn villages and terrorize
 ethnic areas," said David Scott Mathieson, a longtime
 human-rights researcher in Myanmar.

 Foreign envoys here are mindful of the
 complex politics. A nation does not emerge from 50 years of
 military dictatorship without political wounds, they say,
 asserting that pushing Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi, whose famous
 resolve can tend toward obduracy,
  could be counterproductive.

 One senior Western envoy said that with no
 real coordination between military and civilian officials,
 weeks of flying back and forth to talk with them had come to
 nothing. The diplomat called it "by far the most
 frustrating issue I've ever worked

 in a camp in Sittwe, Rakhine, this month. The Myanmar
 government has prevented international aid agencies from
  delivering relief supplies or even assessing need in the
 area. Credit Adam
  Dean for The New York Times

 Mr. Egeland, who once served as the United
 Nations' under secretary general for humanitarian affairs,
 has grown impatient.

 "I would like to issue a terse message to
 the diplomats," he said. "I would like to disagree that
 it is a complicated situation. It is very simple: When
 humanitarians are not allowed to help civilians, people

 For its part, the United Nations in Myanmar
 commissioned an internal report, submitted in April, that
 warned against soft-pedaling on human rights to placate the
 military or the civilian authority.

 "Trade-offs between advocacy and access,"
 the report said, "have in practice deprioritized human
 rights and humanitarian action, which are seen as
 complicating and undermining relations with

 The report's author, Richard Horsey, noted
 how quickly the honeymoon period after the 2015 elections
 had subsided.

 "We shouldn't be surprised that the
 landing spot for Myanmar's transition may be as one more
 Southeast Asian nation with authoritarian tendencies, rising
 nationalism and ethnic tensions," he said. "But Myanmar
 should aspire to be so much better
  than that."

 Certainly, few countries enjoyed as much
 international good will as Myanmar did, at a time when the
 world was desperate for a positive narrative.

 burned house in Gawdu Zara village, in Rakhine state, last
 month. International aid workers with years of experience in
  Rakhine say that they have never seen the situation so
 grave. Credit Associated

 "Western donors and the U.N. have not
 always been helpful," said Charles Petrie, a former United
 Nations resident coordinator in Myanmar, noting "the
 refusal for a long time to let go of the fairy-tale view of
 Myanmar with Aung San Suu Kyi coming
  to power and the corresponding refusal to push back on some
 of her dogmatic positions."

 Mr. Petrie drew comparisons with South Sudan,
 where the world was "so taken by the narrative of a new
 country emerging from northern enslavement that the signs of
 the emerging violence were ignored."

 International aid workers with years of
 experience in Rakhine say they have never seen the situation
 so grave.

 Brad Hazlett of Partners Relief and
 Development, a Christian charity that has provided food aid
 to the Rohingya, said he had been prevented from visiting
 internment camps this month in the state capital, Sittwe,
 that he had visited dozens of
  times before.

 "I think their strategy is to starve them
 out," he said.

 Abul Hashim, a Rohingya from the northern
 Rakhine village of Anauk Pyin, described by cellphone how a
 team of ambassadors and United Nations officials had gone to
 the community on Oct. 2 as part of a stage-managed
 government trip. The crowds
  of officials who had helicoptered in promised food aid to
 the village.

 But for nearly 10 days, Mr. Hashim said, his
 community has received nothing. For three months, none of
 the Rohingya have been allowed to step outside the village,
 he said. They have had no access to doctors or schools. All
 he, his wife, their
  three daughters and three sons had eaten that day was less
 than a pound of rice and some water.

 "Our sorrows," he said, "know no

 AKM Moinuddin contributed reporting from
 Dhaka, Bangladesh.

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