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Friday, November 23, 2007

Re: [ALOCHONA] Jamati and Moududi Thoughts: An Illustration of Bankruptcy

Dear Alochoks,
 
Thanks for your brilliant mail engr. Shafiq bhuiyan.
First part of your mail is mostly correct.
I think the voting ratio should be around 12 not 15 percent.
The decreasing trend in vote is due to alliance and vote sharing with other parties like with BNP in 2001.
"Bangladeshi and Bengali" like you will always hate Jamat for sure. But remember, I am no less Bangladeshi and Bengali than you. And there are thousnads like me. And you have no right to generalize it.
 
Just to address some issues raised on this topic:
Mr. Cyrus wrote:
"Jamaat et. al. stands against our way of life, and if over 2 Crore people support its heinous movement, I am afraid, that whole group of people choose not to see the evil that lurks behind its message of peace. Just because a large group of people support a doctrine, doesn't make it right, does it? In Germany, a majority supported the Third Reich too and Nazis were regarded as the "protector" of "White, Germanic, Christian" race!! That doesn't mean that the Nazis were right. To me, Jamaat is nothing but a group of Nazis, trying to establish another "Reich", another Afghanistan. "
 
Well difference between Nazi or Taliban in Afghanistan and Jamat may be the democracy that exist inside the party. Kind of democracy that we all would have like in parties like AL or BNP and kind of democracy that can only still be imagined in industrialized world. Every committee from the top i.e. Majlis-e-shura up to union are elected from direct voting of members. Even general people from outiside may attend any of their party's meeting and see whats happening inside. Its not about Moududi or cultic nature that you are trying to portray about Jamat. Except may be 1971, where they may have misjudged the situation and did a mistake of their lifetime, they have always been with better civic sence. Like in the case Babri Masjid riot situation in the 80s in Bangladesh, while paper like Inquilab was fueling the violence, Jamat was quick to get down on the street to stand for communal harmony in the country.
 
And, ofcourse, Jamat is not all about Moududi. You may say its about Islam. Although, moudid's writings are largely respected all over the muslim world. For example, one of the better source of online quran, the USC-MSA compendium of muslim text, use Moududi's introduction for every suras of the Quran in their site. See for yourself:(http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/). Infact, as and educated person in modern science and technology, you will find moudid's interpretation of quran as more palatable.
 
 
Anyway, thanks for reading this mail.
 
S. Chowdhury
Dhaka.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


"Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan" <srbanunz@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
Hi liar Shoummo & other liar Jamat - RAZAKAR - Shibir - Paki - Muslim league supporter,
 
Do not produce lies & spread lies.
 
Read & see the statistics of last few, comparatively, free & fair general elections of Bangladesh (mainly 1991, 1996).
 
But those Jamat - RAZAKAR - Shibir - Paki - Muslim league supporters always "assume" & "think" that they (& their popularity) are 'huge' in number, as the see those in different blogs, in comparison to other.
 
Jamat never got 15% of casted vote in any general election and day by their votes are decreasing!
 
Huge number of the Jamati candidtes lost their "JAMANAT"
 
But this Jamati-Paki-Razakar wrote, "In past three election, Jamaat secured no less than 15% of the total vote count".
 
It is a complete lie and reality is different  
 
Actual statistics are:
 
 
Year
1991
1996
2001 (Highly rigged & controversial )
 
Vote got
NDF
Vote got
NDF
Vote got
Symbol: Party:
 
 
 
 
 
Boat : Awami League
33.73%
5
37.46%
2
40.13%
 
 
 
 
 
 
Balance Scale : Jamat
12.04%
104
8.59%
225
4.28%
 
 
 
 
 
 
Paddy Sheaf : BNP
30.81%
59
33.60%
36
40.97%
 
 
 
 
 
 
Plough: JP
11.81%
154
16.39%
135
7.25%
*NDF : Number of seats, where deposit were forfeited (JAMANOT BAJEAFTO)
Ref: Election commission of Bangladesh
But, one thing is that Jamat-RAZAKAR-Paki-Muslim league supporters (BNP is cocktail of these).have very "BIG" mouth and they can write; tell lie (& mix of lie & truth) without any hesitation & without any truth.
So, beware of the Jamaat - Shibir - Razakar - Al-Badar - Muslim League - Paki supporter and their cronies (BNP is cocktail of these).
Jamaat - Shibir - Razakar - Al-Badar - Paki - Muslim League (BNP is cocktail of these).will continue to be hated, criticized, damned as it was done in past and will be treated same at now and also be treated same in future, for hundreds and hundreds of years to come!
Bangalee & Bangladesh will fight the same fight they fought in 1971 to get rid of these Jamat-BNP-Razakar-Muslim League-Paki supporter and their cronies.
Finally I am telling to all Jamaat - Shibir - Razakar - Al-Badar - Paki - Muslim League (BNP is cocktail of these - not to assume any bogus data or manufacture & spread lies.
 
But I know it is the usual habit of Paki-Razakar-Jamat-Muslim League supports (BNP is cocktail of these).
 
So, all Paki-Razakar-Jamat-Muslim League supports go back to your 'F(p)akistan'
 
 
 
 
Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU) 
 
 
 


On 11/19/07, Shaummo Chowdhury <schowdhury52@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Shamim Chowdhury,
 
I enjoyed reading the article attached in your mail. But remember, in past three election, hailed atleast by one major party i.e. BNP or AL as free and fair, Jamaat secured no less than 15% of the total vote count. If you convert these percentage point to equivalent population, considering each voter represent same chunk of population as a mass, that would come to like 2,25,00,000 number of people supporting Jamat. (Considering population of Bangladesh to be 15 crore). This number is bigger than the population of most of countries in the world and almost half of that of influential country like UK.  For every 20 people in Bangladesh, there is atleast 3 person supporting Jamat. And beleive me, those who support Jamat, support it on their own free will. They understand it's mission and vision and very little we and other scholarly alem can do about it.
 The way some people try to just wipe Jamat off with their 'well written' mail is simply astonishing. We should try to respect people and respect their choices. Only then, in return, we can expect respect from others.
 
Thanking you.
 
Shoummo

Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com> wrote:

I like to reprint this inquisitive article published in a blog on September 25th of 2005 by someone with a nick name as Addabaj about bankrupted political and religious thoughts of Moududi and his creation Jamaat-e-Islami and
Hope you will enjoy reading this article.
Thanks.
Shamim Chowdhury
 
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Sunday, September 25, 2005

Jamati and Moududi Thoughts: An Illustration of Bankruptcy

I?d like to assure Adda?s readers that I absolutely have no personal or political agenda in Adda. I feel ethically obligated to express my thoughts and ideas independently and objectively when most of the Islamic and nationalistic ideas in Bangladesh are basically bankrupt, distorted and politically biased. Jamati Islami, as a fundamentalist and extremist Islamic party in Bangladesh, needs to look at their misdeeds and misrepresentation of Islamic thoughts that really hurt them and absolutely undermine the Muslim world.

Jamatis inherited their Islamic ideologies from Moududi, a Pakistani literary scholar who has never had any in-depeth Islamic knowledge and background even he appears to be as an Islamic scholar to Jamatis and its followers. Basically, Jamatis read his ?Tafhims? (explanation of Holy Quran) as text books and frequently use them as references. Tafhim was considered controversial about different statments on prophethood and sunnah. Any literate person can browse books in this regard that highlighted distortion in Moududi's thoughts. Moududi, like Jamati leader Golam Azam, lacks any academic background and expertise in Islamic teaching. Yet, their books and booklets are text books for Jamatis that simply ignite their Jihadi political spirits based on narrow and misleading explanations of Islamic tenets. Philosophically, Jamatis follow the Taiymiah explanation and thoughts that have narrowly followed basic Islamic beliefs and drastically lacked the Prophet (PBUH) and his companions' teaching.

In Saudi Arabia and some other Middle Eastern countries, they have followed Taiymiah?s strict teaching of Islam that Jamatis and their leader Moududi have always allied with. Saudi assistance and influence have generously benefited Jamatis and their followers to establish financial and academic institutions in Bangladesh. Islamic scholars in the mainstream Muslim world have always rejected Wahabi and Moududi?s fundamentalist thoughts as false and misguided. Islam in its belief and practice has never endorsed any political party system and putting a party in this effect, indeed, can be considered as a misguided innovation.

Jamatis perceive political islam as their mainstream ideology where extremism reins their thoughts and practice. For example, few blind people were asked to depict an elephant by touching. Each blind person explained an elephant based on the body part or limb he touched as an Elephant. Jamatis are like those blinds who firmly believe in and fight only for the fundamentalist form of political Islam that simply lacks the complete and fair expression and practice of Islamic tenets. Islam teaches peace, compassion and leaves no place for violence in its practice.

In Bangladesh, politically active and conscious people who rejected Jamatis have never been adequately equipped to refute Jamati view points in larger context other than their disgraceful collaboration with Pakistanis in mass killing of innocent Bangladeshis. On the other hand, Islamic scholars in Bangladesh who fundamentally exposed the bankruptcy in Jamati and Moududi thoughts have mostly failed to articulate and present their writings to the larger audience of conscious people. In reality, Jamatis have found ways to reappear as Epiphytes in our political system. History has shown us independence loving Bangladeshis' hearts and souls have never been deceived for a long period. People will wake up to put Jamatis in the dustbin of history.
 


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