My comments are inserted below.
mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz, Mr. Turkman and Other Readers:
It is easy to get carried away into the vortex of conflicting issues if we do not take on board, patience and constructive critocims of opposing view holders on board.
I agree that the nourishment of freedom of speech in EU (sorry but I do have further reservations about the US) is held high but these rights are often manipulated and misguided in the name of atrocious laws as rightly said by Karl Marx once that law is the toll of oppression by the ruler. Al must agree that during and soon after second world war - may fundamental human rights were currauled even for the UK citizens in UK for the sake of national security and I believe these sorts of checks should be allowed when national security is doomed but the question is for how long and for how much?TURKMAN: Until the problem exists.----------------------------------The recent atrocities and threats of atrocities in the West has very reasonable justifications of putting a check on people at random or even basing on their religious and national entities whilst visiting the West - esxpecially the US. I was more than once checked by the authorities and I have had no reason to worry as the authorities did explain that it was a random checking even though it did appear to me that the system did target me. It is also true that the criminals do not necessarily have to wear a beard to pose a threat and even may be of European origin.TURKMAN: I think, profiling is a better way and they should only check the teens to the ones up to 38 years old because all the Terrorists are covered in that age group. Women and Children should be spared because not many children and women have blown themselves up. The problem is, I have seen a 90 years old White American Lady being picked for special screening and a famous Jewish Movie Actor here in USA.--------------------------------
But it is not true as well that we are not curtailed of our freedom of expressions in the West. It is not at all right to presume that our thoughts can be told at full. Here are some examples:
The issue of Palestinians blowing themselves up - although I do not support the act at all but it is also true that these acts do emanate from decades of utter frustration and from series of torture by the Israeli regime which is being backed blindly by the US government. Mrs. Blair was subjected to severe criticisms and even calls were made by the media to boycot her when she had expressed that she did feel the utter frustration of the Palestinians.TURKMAN: Palestinian cause is a victim of 9/11.--------------------------------
There are criminals and crazy people in Iraq who are against peace but its is also true that there are people in that country who want to see the Americans go and if they declare war and pick up arms in defence of the liberty of their motherland - West will never allow them to be called 'freedom fighters' as under the 'glorification' clause of the Terrorims Act 2006 in UK or under the Homeland Security Act of the US. An example of this is the comments against George Galloway MP (UK) when he had done so. What about many MPs in UK who had lost their party nominations after they had mentioned that the UK parliament was a poodle of the zionist regime? Or what about the Historian who had questioned the depth of the authenticity of the German atrocities on the zews? Or what about the several examples of money lending scandals from the zewish peers in UK and what about Mr. Lor Levi being posted as a Minister even though he was part of the money lending scandal in the British Government?TURKMAN: Democracy is, what majority of people think, not what you think. Osama and Mollaas should have thought about it before starting it.---------------------------------
I don't know why Mr. Turkman talks as always baselessly and without examples. I challenge that the Western view is not democratic.TURKMAN: Whichever system creates a better society and keeps people satisfied giving them all their rights is Democratic. Does any of our systems do that? If you do not like Western views, go back to Bangladesh and fight with your Mollaas ...!---------------------------We do go their for practical means of survitude and benefits of this world but that does not mean we the people of the East are blindly unethical. What do you call the US policy or the Amnesty International's report about US being the worst violators of Human Rights in the world? TURKMAN: Not really 'the worst'. USA is the only country of the world where Illegal Aliens have a right to come on the streets to protest and vandalize demanding they should be granted citizenship. Tell me, which country of the world permits this kind of attitude?-----------------------------If you do not know the statistics - please ask me brother but Mr. Turkman's utter use of bad and vulgar language proves the point that either he has a close relative in the family who is White Christian American and that has pushed him to be utterly biased or he has lost the plot simply because he is uninformed. We do not have any grudges about white, yellow or blue or even against people of other faiths but we must not be carried away blindly.TURKMAN: Yeah, this is why, when I was a Teenager, my country's people used to make fun of me because of my too fair complexion and good looks that my mother must have had slept with an Iranian to have a boy like me. Of course, I had Anglo-Indian Christian Friends before I arrived in USA and all my wife's relatives and a lot of my friends are White American Christians and they are a lot better people than my Daishi Moslim, Hindu and Sikh friends.--------------------------------
As for Islam I have only a few excerpts from the Quran and that should suffice for Muslims travelling to other country:
Sura Al Araf:
On Entry into new city:
161. And (remember) when it was said to them: "Dwell in this town (Jerusalem) and eat therefrom wherever you wish, and say, '(O All�h) forgive our sins'; and enter the gate prostrate (bowing with humility). We shall forgive you your wrong-doings. We shall increase (the reward) for the good-doers."
And we must respect their laws but not at the cost of our souls and you want us out of there?TURKMAN: That Verse was for the city, where 1st Qiblaa of Moslims was located, not for any Western City. Allah doesn't consider those Moslims, who live amongst Non Moslims. Read Verse 8 : 72 ...! I'm violating that verse myself because I think, its now obsolete. I haven't sold my soul. Your Soul is possessed by Demon of Tribalism and backwardness and this is why becoming civilized means selling your soul to you.----------------------------------Surprised - how you became a poodle as you decided not to enter into the world of intellectual battle. Allah made us poor financially but spiritually rich so that we can all work for the spread of Islam - the only peaceful life. Read Sura Al Araf it also teaches us to be patient as people will surely hurl abuses.TURKMAN: Spread the word for what? To make USA become another corrupt country like Bangladesh or Pakistan? And I can see, how patient you are by hurling abuses at me, calling me a Poodle.---------------------------------
I don't know under law of which country the Government can cease passports for ever as suggested by Mr. Turkman but is a good advise to lecture the prospective migrant to advise them about foreign culture as adopted by Phillipines (Post Departure Seminar) - Mr. Turkman you forgot to give an example and I am giving it for all.
Read my latest article
http://www.thedailystar.net/ law/2008/ 05/05/index. htm
Sincerely,
Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights AdvocateTURKMAN: You are again showing lack of your General Knowledge. Passport has been Government Property of the country that issues it since the first Passport was issued in this world. It can be confiscated, whenever any issuing Government wants to. Go Read the Booklet smart Alec ...! Passport is not a right. Its a privilege. Stop acting like a Know-all, when you are a Knows-nothing ...!Best of all, learn to spell words instead of giving readers such a hard time trying to understand, what the hell you have written ...! You have more than a dozen spelling mistakes in your above post. Please do not converse with me Mollaa, I have no time for illiterate ignorant nuts like you.
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
I have no idea, why these people can find a Conspiracy Theory behind everything that goes wrong with our saintly people anywhere.
Nilkanto Chowdhury <nilkanto@myway.com> wrote:
There are people who are working against Bangladeshi in Middle East so that they can ruin Bangladeshi job market there and get benifite from that. Our government and people should speak up about that. Please be aware of that kind of people and media. Well, people from all nations are doing nusty things. We don't blame the full nation for that, do we? Why then Bangladeshi?
--- On Mon 05/26, Robin Khundkar < rkhundkar@earthlink.net > wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar [mailto: rkhundkar@earthlink.net]
This is really bad news. A hysteria seems to be rising againsts workers from Bangladesh. Though murder cannot be justified under any circumstances but does anyone know what happened that led to this tragic crime or the general perception that all Bengalis are prone to crimes. I have heard that employers mistreat workers and withhold their hard earned salaries, etc.
Robin
Bahrain government urged to stop hiring Bangladeshis
http://archive.gulfnews. com/articles/ 08/05/26/ 10216119. html
05/26/2008 11:50 PM |
By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
Manama: Decisions on hiring of Bangladeshi workers would have to be made by various official bodies, said a labour official as pressure mounted on the Bahraini government to halt the hiring of Bangladeshis.
Several Bahrainis, including journalists and a parliamentary bloc, have called upon the authorities not to allow Bangladeshis to work in the kingdom following the murder of a 38-year-old Bahraini at a garage on Friday.
Mohammad Hassan Al Dossary, a father of three daughters, was killed by Bangladeshi worker Mohammad, also a father of two daughters living with their mother in their native village, following an argument.
The mechanic allegedly attacked Al Dossary using a grinder before fleeing the scene, according to his sponsor, to hide in a mosque several kilometres away before he was arrested.
The murder revived calls made last year to take stringent measures against Bangladeshis following the killing of a Bahraini woman by her cook.
Monitoring
"Such a decision is not just about cancelling work permits by the Labour Ministry, but involves several other government bodies. There is a close monitoring of all events that helps understand the general orientation of the labourers and their adaptation to the character of the Bahraini society," Jameel Al Humaidan, Labour Ministry Undersecretary, said yesterday.
Al Asala, the second largest parliamentary bloc, called for a timetable to deport Bangladeshis, saying that they represented a threat to social peace and stability.
"We are shocked by the number and frequency of the murders and crimes perpetrated by this community, and the government should act promptly to deport those who are now in Bahrain and to stop issuing any new permits," Al Asala said.
"We will soon submit a motion to the parliament to force the government to end the hiring of Bangladeshis because of their aggressive and tense character," the Islamist bloc said.
Several columnists called for the "immediate and irrevocable" deportation of Bangladeshis, warning that failure to take action would mean more hostile behaviour.
However, the head of Al Meethaq Society, Ahmad Juma, rejected the calls, saying that Bangladesh should not be punished for the crimes by some of its citizens.
Bahraini blogger calls for ban on all Bangladeshis after horrible murder
http://archive.gulfnews. com/articles/ 08/05/25/ 10215875. html
05/24/2008 11:09 PM |
By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
Manama: Bahrainis on Saturday called for a ban on the hiring of Bangladeshi workers, hours after the gruesome murder of a Bahraini father of three.
"We have noticed that most of the crimes in this country are perpetrated by people coming from Bangladesh, and the wise thing to do is to stop bringing them to Bahrain," a Bahraini blogger wrote on a website.
"We should have no mercy for the killer and ban other Bangladeshis from coming here out of fear of what they might do to us, exactly what Saudi Arabia and Kuwait did at one time."
Similar calls against Bangladeshi labourers were made last year following the murder of Sana Al Jalahma, a Bahraini woman, by her 29-year-old Bangladeshi cook. The cook, angered by Al Jalahma's remarks, waited hours for her return home to kill her. The murderer was sentenced to death.
However, political activist Ahmad Juma said while the calls to ban Bangladeshis were understandable because of the grisly character of the murder, a nation cannot be punished for the acts of some citizens.
"We sympathise with the family and friends of the victim, but we cannot simply say that no Bangladeshi should be allowed in Bahrain because of this. The criminal should be punished, but the country did nothing wrong," he told Gulf News.
Bahraini Mohammad Hassan Eisa Al Dossary was killed on Friday morning when a Bangladeshi mechanic attacked him with a grinder. Al Dossary, father of three daughters, wanted the mechanic to do some welding work on his car, but the two disagreed over the fee. Witnesses said their argument was over 500 fils (Dh5).
The mechanic fled the garage in Hamad Town, 20 kilometres south of Manama, but was eventually arrested after he called his sponsor who alerted the police and guided them to his hideout.
Bahrain is home to about 70,000 Bangladeshis.
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