Dear Mr. Saeed Rehman:
I think you have articulated very well for all of us who are becoming increasingly dismayed at the level of discourse among Bengalis of our class, the so-called educated, most successful etc, etc.
In most respects, notwithstanding small changes in nomenclature and names of principals, the discourse has remained wherever, it has been for the last two hundred years or more. Whenenever a new govt comes a section of our intelligentsia rise to become courtiers to the new order. Praising to high heaven, singing odes, composing poems & making a fetish of small differences*.
Very few people have the integrity/courage to tell the Emperor that he is not wearing any clothes. Perhaps I am being unfair in singling out our fellow Alochoks because it really goes beyond into our psyche as a nation. Freud would have had a field day analyzing all of us.
Thanks again
Robin Khundkar
[To the last point on small differences, I recommend highly, a slim volume by Sigmund Freud, "Civilization and Its Discontents" (1929-1930). Freud introduces a concept of what he calls "Narcissm of Small Differences". It describes the manner in which our negative feelings are sometimes directed at people who resemble us, while we take pride from the "small differences" that distinguish us from them] Source Wikepedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences
-----Original Message-----
>From: saeedurrehman92 <saeedurrehman92@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 13, 2008 7:42 AM
>To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
>
>
>Dear Mr. Rahim
>
>I will not disagree with you at all. Theoretically and ideally you are
>right. But see what is practically happening. Some leaders in both the
>major parties started talking about reforms till 2 nethris went to jail.
>In my opinion, and I may be wrong, it was not at all required at that
>time to send them to jail. Either this action should have taken
>immediately after 1/11 or should have taken after making strong cases.
>What was the result of that? People even stopped talking about reforms.
>All the public attention was diverted to the nethris. What happened to
>the reformists? The poor guys – they found it difficult to save
>their skin. All these years what AL and BNP had been doing? If they were
>in Power they used all their means, foul or fair, to remain in power.
>And if they were in opposition, they did everything possible, foul or
>fair, to drag down the other party out of power. But Mr. Rahim, tell me
>honestly, is not the present junta doing the same thing. Do you think
>Hasina came out of jail on public pressure? Absolutely not. There is an
>underhand arrangement.
>
>Mr. Rahim you think that the present government should remain in power
>till the political parties in the country start practicing real
>democracy inside and outside etc.etc. I, also will tell you the same
>thing. But tell me, is there any sign of it in the last 16/17 months?
>Not at all. With all due respect should I tell you that to learn
>swimming you have to get into waters. You can not first learn swimming
>and then get into waters. Even if I take your words does anybody have a
>time frame when our political parties will learn democracy and then we
>will have the election? Can our nation wait that long with the present
>stagnant economy?
>
>We need not to go far past; the recent history has a very bad record of
>Army rule at the least in South Asia. Look at every Army ruler, before
>relinquishing power, either they destroyed themselves or destroyed the
>nation or destroyed the both. Be it be Ayub, Yayha, Zia Huq, Zia Rahman,
>Irshad or for that matter Mushraff. There is no exception. Look deeply
>how all of them had to leave power. Of course, I want one exception. I
>want Moeen to leave power with honor and dignity. I only fear he will
>not. He has also ambitions like others but unfortunately he does not
>posses those talents. I will not debate that what he did at juncture was
>right or wrong. I will not debate that he should have taken this step
>earlier. I believe he rose at the right moment. I also believe that
>enough is enough. Now is the time to say Good Bye.
>
>You know Army is considered the most disciplined organization in any
>country. We can afford the mistakes of others (specifically the
>political parties) but you can not at all at all afford the mistakes by
>Army. And one thing more the Army gets corrupted if it remains in
>civilian touch for a long time.
>
>With all due respect
>
>
>
>Saeed
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Raheem M." <raheemm1@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr. Saeedurrehman,
>>
>> You wrote: "He (Gen. Moeen) rose up a right moment. Now is time for
>him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake hands."
>>
>> I agree with you that Gen. Moeen rose up at the right moment. However
>I am not sure that the current government's work is finished.
>>
>> It is pure and simple - BNP + AL's politics have caused the problems
>in the country and for themselves. No one is to blame except themselves.
>>
>> When they learn to practice real democracy (inside and outside), when
>they learn accountability, end dynastic politics, end corrupt practice,
>renounce hartal and violence, when they give to the country more than
>they take (loot?), kick out gundaas and mastaans from the party then it
>will be time for them to come back.Have they done any such thing in the
>last 2 years?
>>
>> The more I see the actions of BNP and AL - be it in power or out of
>power, in Bangladesh or out of Bangladesh, I am convinced that these
>parties are completely destroyed from top to bottom. So then why should
>they run our country or even in election?
>>
>> So the next question is - if AL and BNP cannot run the country, then
>who will do it? I say -lets give the new power a chance - whoever they
>are. Give them a full term just like we gave to BNP and AL.
>>
>> I think the CTG and the Army has made mistakes - This is true. But if
>you tell me that BNP or AL is better than our current government - then
>you are 100% wrong. But if they make their parties better then they will
>get another chance for sure - because that is democracy. Until then,
>forget them - it is for the good of the country.
>>
>> - Raheem
>> New York
>>
>>
>> saeedurrehman92 saeedurrehman92@... wrote: Dear Mr. Ejazur
>>
>> If is a person is sleeping you can wake him up. But you cannot wake up
>a person who is only pretending to be sleeping.
>>
>> Mr. Ejazur, it seems that you are interested to know my political
>identity. I remember in the past you have posed the same question to
>many others. Let me tell you that I like many others and unlike very
>handful, I call spade a spade. I will appreciate a person; let it be Tom
>or Harry, if he or she is doing well for the country. In the same token
>if someone in my opinion (mind you I said in my opinion, somebody may
>differ with me) has been other way around, I simply can not appreciate
>it. For example, I can appreciate Hussain Mohammad Irshad for improving
>the communication system in the country but cannot appreciate him for
>his other deeds. This is point many of us are trying to make. We don't
>try to justify the wrongs of the politicians rather we are critical of
>them. But for some handful of people, good or bad Gen. Moeen is the
>best. They are trying to justify all his deeds and all his misdeeds. I
>again pose you the same question, nobody asked you that why the brave
>> Gen. choose Crowne Plaza for his meeting. (I think by this time he
>would have a retired Gen. had he not extended his tenure himself) You
>justify it by claiming that this is the cheapest 5 star hotel in Kuwait.
>Thanks God, hundred times that you did not claim that it was a free
>treat from Hotel Crowne Plaza. Who could have challenged if you had said
>so. You are so blind with the deeds or misdeeds of the Gen. that you
>think 200 is the smallest gathering. Man, who paid the bills. Of course
>it was paid by the Embassy of Bangladesh on Government of Bangladesh
>account. When Hasina was in Kuwait, such expenditures were borne by AL
>affiliated businessmen. (These are your words not mine).
>>
>> I don't disagree that in the past hundred thousands of ordinary
>citizens were harassed because of their political opinions, with the
>lame excuse that they are criminals. But what about now? How many are
>put behind jails in the past few days fearing there may be an agitation
>in favor of any political party? What is the difference between the past
>and the present? Why we have to harp beautiful songs for this act of
>bravery?
>>
>> I know your limitations. I know you cannot apprehend the suffering of
>a common man. I understand you don't know the feelings of the man in the
>street. But I believe you can still understand the present situation in
>the country by the electronic media which you have access to. See and
>read how many people have gone below the poverty level during the past
>15/16 months. These are not my words neither these are the words of any
>political party.
>>
>> I asked your identity because you were advising one gentleman to
>conceal his identity. That made your own identity doubtful. Otherwise,
>who cares you are neutral or neutered.
>>
>> You said it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored by either
>the VIP party or the host party to get in the VIP lounge of Kuwait
>Airport. You further said see how many party fruitcakes and party dalals
>turn up in the VIP lounge when an AL or BNP MP or Minister turns up. I
>pose you the same question, how many dalals of brave Gen. Moeen turned
>up at Kuwait Airport when he turned up.
>>
>> Even if I buy your words, a meal in Sheraton Kuwait will cost you
>maximum 20 KD. Even if I buy your word, a meal in Crowne Plaza will cost
>you minimum 1 KD. So you are buying a ticket to Bangladesh with 19 KD. I
>can only pray for you.
>>
>> In the end I will tell you to look around yourself. Look at India.
>India prospered only because there was a political government. By the
>way the politicians in India were also corrupt. Look at Pakistan.
>Pakistan faltered because Pakistan was run mostly by brave Generals. Not
>only they were brave, their jehad was against corruption also.
>>
>> And remember one thing more, CIVILIZED WORLD LIKE CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT.
>We appreciate the bravery of Gen. Moneen. He rose up a right moment. Now
>is time for him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake hands.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Saeed
>>
>>
>> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" ezajur.rahman@ wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Alochok Saeed
>> >
>> > Our disagreement over hotels is not about minimum standards - it is
>> > about the highest standards. I said the Sheraton was the most
>> > prestigious hotel in Kuwait and you seek to cast doubt on me by
>> > deeming even this harmless statement to be either an exaggeration or
>> > lie!
>> >
>> > The fact that nobody asked me why the Crowne Plaza was hired does
>not
>> > stop me from stating why it was hired. It was hired because it is
>the
>> > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait.
>> >
>> > Under the nethri system lakhs of ordinary citizens are harassed
>> > because of their political opinions. People lose land, jobs, legal
>> > protection, state protection, business opportunities etc – just
>> > because they oppose the ruling party and its nethri. Be honest about
>> > the condition of the country. I was not writing about my own
>> > security – I was advising others to be careful. You don't need
>to
>> > worry about your own security I think as long as you continue to
>diligently avoid talking real politics.
>> >
>> > Yes, I am very afraid of the possibility that a nethri might come to
>> > power because I think it will be terrible for the country. You on
>the
>> > other hand, well I have no idea what you think… But you are
>probably
>> > a Nethrist…
>> >
>> > Sorry, what do you mean real identity? You don't even state your own
>> > political views or your own identity but you go around questioning
>> > other people's views and identities. It's so typical of so many
>> > people nowadays who promote their own political agenda only by
>> > attacking others – never explaining their own positions and
>> > pretending to be neutral. Neutered is a better word than neutral.
>> >
>> > 200 is indeed a small gathering. God only knows what your idea of a
>> > big gathering is! Though I'm sure if a better hotel was chosen there
>> > would have been more room :)
>> >
>> > The brave General came to Kuwait on the invitation of the Kuwait
>Army
>> > to discuss issues relating to the Bangladesh Army personnel serving
>> > in Kuwait. He, and the professional community here, took that
>> > opportunity to have a dialogue. Its simple.
>> >
>> > Accessing the VIP lounge is not a matter of sneaking in through the
>> > back door – it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored by
>> > either the VIP party or the host party. I think you know how easy it
>> > is to get a pass if you know the right people. See how many party
>> > fruitcakes and party dalals turn up in the VIP lounge when an AL or
>> > BNP MP or Minister turns up :)
>> >
>> > I think Nizami should be tried for war crimes and would disagree
>with
>> > Mr Bhuiyan if he thought otherwise. I congratulate General Moeen on
>> > at least showing the way that Nizami, on whatever grounds, can at
>> > least be arrested. The Nethris never had the courage, or the
>> > character, to do anything. The arrest of Nizami is not a ploy to
>> > divert attention. The public's demands for the trial of war
>> > criminals, and their exclusion from elections, remains intact –
>even
>> > reinvigorated after the arrest of Nizami.
>> >
>> > In the end I thank you for your interest in my money. I spend it at
>> > the Crowne Plaza instead of the Sheraton, because with the money
>thus
>> > saved I can buy another plane ticket to Bangladesh :)
>> >
>> > There are minimum standards and highest standards in politics –
>and
>> > in hotels. Though I appreciate standards in hotels are easier to
>> > discuss than standards in your preferred political party :)
>> >
>> > I remain in good humour and hope you are too.
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> >
>> > Ezajur Rahman
>> > Kuwait
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "saeedurrehman92"
>> > saeedurrehman92@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Mr. Ejazur
>> > >
>> > > I thank you for your advisory words to Mr. Bhuiyan. I believe he
>> > owes it
>> > > from you because you and him are living in the same country.
>> > >
>> > > Mr. Ejazur should I remind you very humbly that every 5 star hotel
>> > > (everywhere, and not only in Kuwait) has a minimum standard and
>> > that is
>> > > why it is categorized as a 5 star hotel. And why are so defensive?
>> > > Nobody asked you why it was hired for the brave Gen.'s meeting. Of
>> > > course there are many places in Kuwait which are cheaper than and
>> > better
>> > > than the 5 star hotel you mentioned.
>> > >
>> > > Sorry to say it Mr. Ejazur, but it is clear that you think
>yourself
>> > a
>> > > celebrity. Come `n man be brave like our beloved General. Deep in
>> > > your conscious or subconscious you still think one of the nethris
>> > will
>> > > come to power again. And if you are identified now, you will be
>> > harassed
>> > > then. Mr. Ejazur, please don't be a paranoid. Don't feel
>> > > yourself that important. Believe you me nobody will bother to
>> > harass men
>> > > like you and me for their political believes. By the way what is
>> > your
>> > > real identity?
>> > >
>> > > Should I remind you again, Kuwait is also part of this world. Many
>> > > Bangladeshis still live there. (I am not talking about our
>unskilled
>> > > brothers). Surely they are more than 200. Who picked those 200 and
>> > on
>> > > what criteria?And you call 200 a smallest gathering. Give me break
>> > man.
>> > > And why the brave Gen. and if he is really brave, did not been to
>> > Saudi
>> > > Arabia or to Bahrain. We have more problems with our expatriate
>> > > community than in Kuwait.
>> > >
>> > > My intention is not to embarrass you but fact is that nobody,
>unless
>> > > authorized, is allowed to enter the VIP lounge of Kuwait Airport.
>> > Not to
>> > > talk about entering, he is not even allowed to drive on the road
>> > leading
>> > > to VIP lounge. Mr. Ejazur you admitted in the past that you do
>> > > exaggerate but don't lie. In what category it falls, exaggeration
>or
>> > > a lie. Is not it clear to everybody that Mr. Bhuiyan exaggerate
>(or
>> > lie)
>> > > like you so you have come for his rescue as he does not have any
>> > answer
>> > > to any of the questions.
>> > >
>> > > I am not a supporter of Jamaat-i-Islami but I believe that Mr.
>> > Nizami
>> > > should have been behind bars not for GATCO but for war crimes. Mr.
>> > > Bhuiyan, you call Gen. a very brave man. You are a very die-hard
>> > > supporter of Jamaat. So you endorse that Nizami was corrupt or you
>> > think
>> > > it is a ploy of the brave General to divert public attention and
>to
>> > stop
>> > > people calling for war criminal trials.
>> > >
>> > > In the end Mr.Ejazur, please don't spend your money in Crowne
>Plaza
>> > > Hotel. Go to Fahaheel to Ali Baba hotel. The money thus saved can
>be
>> > > used for the country.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Saeed
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Mohammed Ramjan
>> > > >
>> > > > You were indeed unfortunate to attend the reception at the
>Crowne
>> > > > Plaza - the General gave an excellent speech! There were only
>200
>> > > > guests as space was limited but everyone certainly had a
>> > thoroughly
>> > > > refreshing evening - the community spoke about the problems of
>our
>> > > > labourers and the General spoke about efforts underway to fix
>> > some of
>> > > > the problems. This would never have been possible under a
>> > political
>> > > > government because the crooks are all politically protected : )
>> > > >
>> > > > Come on man! The Crowne Plaza is a fine hotel but it is probably
>> > the
>> > > > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait! Sheesh. It was hired solely
>> > > > because it was the cheapest :D I've hired the same ballroom used
>> > for
>> > > > Mooen U Ahmed's reception several times - because it was the
>> > > > cheapeast :D
>> > > >
>> > > > Be careful about giving too much personal information on these
>> > > > forums - there are real people who provoke you for an answer
>only
>> > to
>> > > > identify you. So that when their Nethri comes to power they will
>> > > > harass you. I don't give a rats backside about such challenges
>> > but I
>> > > > am also a reckless person too. Be careful.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know one person who managed to access the VIP lounge and give
>> > their
>> > > > regards to Moeen U Ahmed. Its not so difficult. As if the VIP
>> > Lounge
>> > > > of ZIA Airport cannot be accessed! Yes Kuwait is part of the
>> > > > world :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Write to me directly and lets meet up! And we can have a nice
>> > cheap
>> > > > meal at the Crowne Plaza Hotel and discuss who supports which
>> > nethri
>> > > > on the internet but is too ashamed to actually say it : )
>> > > >
>> > > > Have a nice day
>> > > >
>> > > > Ezajur Rahman
>> > > > Kuwait
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, "saeedurrehman92" saeedurrehman92@
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dear Mr.Bhuiyan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think that you were unfortunate that you could not see Gen.
>> > Moin
>> > > > at
>> > > > > Hotel Crown Plaza (again one of the most prestigious Hotels in
>> > > > Kuwait).
>> > > > > And, I think that the General was fortunate that he did not
>see
>> > > > you. You
>> > > > > said it was smallest public gathering. In what capacity you
>were
>> > > > invited
>> > > > > there?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Again, you said that you went to VIP lounge of Kuwait Airport
>> > along
>> > > > with
>> > > > > Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti Defense Ministry officials in
>(or
>> > > > on)
>> > > > > the day of his departure. Were you from Bangladesh Embassy or
>> > from
>> > > > > Kuwaiti Defense Ministry? In your few minutes talk you
>> > found "this
>> > > > > general a man of high personalities (or personality), really a
>> > > > brave son
>> > > > > of Bangladesh". I don't know that I should agree with you or
>not
>> > > > > but I found you a man of high personalities (or personality)
>> > though
>> > > > I am
>> > > > > not sure if you are a brave son of Bangladesh. One shake hand
>> > and
>> > > > you
>> > > > > knew everything about the General.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would like to remind you that Kuwait is also part of the
>world
>> > > > and if
>> > > > > not all some people know how the business is conducted there.
>My
>> > > > > brotherly advice, try to be honest don't exaggerate or lie.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Saeed
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Mohammed Ramjan <mramjan@>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Fortunately or unfortunately I was invited to attend General
>> > Moin
>> > > > U
>> > > > > Ahmed's smallest public gathering in Crown Plaza Hotel Kuwait.
>> > Due
>> > > > to
>> > > > > some other reason I did not attend the gathering.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In the day of his departure at Kuwait Airport VIP lounge, I
>> > was
>> > > > > present with Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti Defence ministry
>> > > > officials.
>> > > > > I found this general a man of high personalities, really a
>brave
>> > > > son of
>> > > > > Bangladesh. Our talk was held for few minutes, shake hands and
>> > > > finally
>> > > > > goodbye.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Same day I have handed over a book (binder) on "Land use
>> > > > Technology" a
>> > > > > subject on development control process and planning
>permission,
>> > > > which
>> > > > > technology UK implementing from 1948. Unfortunately in India,
>> > > > Pakistan ,
>> > > > > Bangladesh, no where this subject was included for study in
>any
>> > > > > engineering college/university or in any polytechnic
>Institute.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > We want implementation of this valuable technology in
>> > Bangladesh.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Thanking you all
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
>> > > > > > Kuwait
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > To: alochona@: ezajur.rahman@: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:21:11
>> > > > > +0000Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dear Alochok ZaheedMany thanks for your call for good
>manners.
>> > > > Though
>> > > > > to be honest I am probably the one most guilty of bad
>> > manners : ) I
>> > > > am
>> > > > > writing to you because you have smashed the proverbial nail on
>> > the
>> > > > head
>> > > > > by saying..."...putting forth information, references, logic,
>> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals..."This is precisely the
>> > point -
>> > > > there
>> > > > > is hardly any such debate anywhere. People are so tied up in
>the
>> > > > > technicalities, strategies, problems, processes, etc that
>> > thorough
>> > > > > political debate on the issues (any issue) simply does not
>> > exist.
>> > > > Our
>> > > > > papers are busy collecting handouts, press releases,
>quotations
>> > and
>> > > > > numbers. Our editors and tv pundits are busy pondering the
>> > > > mechanisms of
>> > > > > democracy and not the meaning of democracy. And thats about
>> > > > it.WHERE ARE
>> > > > > THE GREAT NATIONAL DEBATES ON HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION,
>> > ENVIRONMENT,
>> > > > LOCAL
>> > > > > GOVERNMENT AND THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN A MODERN BANGLADESH? Sure
>> > > > there's a
>> > > > > debate on food prices but that debate happened because there
>> > was no
>> > > > > choice.Go to any BNP and AL meeting and talk to them about any
>> > of
>> > > > these
>> > > > > subjects. Some will look bewildered, some will get angry
>> > because you
>> > > > > didn't mention the 'nethri' and some will think you are a
>> > showoff
>> > > > from
>> > > > > abroad.But get back to the fight for power and everyone is an
>> > > > expert!
>> > > > > It's like we're all stuck in a neverending third rate Hindi
>> > daytime
>> > > > soap
>> > > > > opera!The Army is indeed the darwan. The electorate is the
>> > > > landlord. The
>> > > > > politcial parties are the tenants. The darwan has indeed taken
>> > over
>> > > > > because the tenants are wrecking the house and the landlord is
>> > fed
>> > > > up.
>> > > > > The darwan broke some flashy vases and ruined some precious
>> > > > paintings -
>> > > > > but the house itself was saved. As with all jonogonists, fancy
>> > talk
>> > > > > about the lower classes ultimately gave way to scornful
>disdain
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > > lowly darwan!And personal attacks are all part of the fun -
>and
>> > a
>> > > > good
>> > > > > measure of how effective one is :) Best wishesEzajur
>> > RahmanKuwait---
>> > > > In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, Zaheed Naser zaheed_naser@ wrote:>>
>> > Dear
>> > > > > Alochok,> > We all support a party, group or ideology one way
>or
>> > > > another
>> > > > > and speak for them in a direct or subtle way and dear Ejajur
>> > > > obviously
>> > > > > speaks for CTG and definitely is not the best friend of the
>two
>> > > > begums!
>> > > > > Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes, I donft,
>whichever, I
>> > > read
>> > > > > his writings with care and attention obviously because of the
>> > fact
>> > > > that
>> > > > > he knows how to dish it out well (and does he write well when
>> > he is
>> > > > > pissed off J). My attempt here is to draw attention to the
>fact
>> > > > that we
>> > > > > shouldnft get personal (licking and all that phrases....)
>when
>> > > we
>> > > > > are indulging in an argument, we have the right to speak for
>any
>> > > > party
>> > > > > and we can do that by putting forth information, references,
>> > logic,
>> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals and anything except stooping
>> > down
>> > > > to
>> > > > > the low level of attacking any Alochok personally with
>indecent
>> > > > words! >
>> > > > > > Regards,> Zaheed> > > Sajjad Hossain shossain456@ wrote:> Do
>> > not
>> > > > wash
>> > > > > your hands. Lick it for the rest of your life. Did you jump on
>> > his
>> > > > feet?
>> > > > > Moeen U Ahmed is a "Daroan" of the Country. When a "Daroan"
>> > takes
>> > > > over
>> > > > > the house, then everything collapses. > > SH> Toronto> >
>ezajur
>> > > > > ezajur.rahman@ wrote:> Khaleda Zia became BNP leader and PM
>> > because
>> > > > she
>> > > > > is the wife of Ziaur > Rahman. BNP would have broken into
>> > various
>> > > > groups
>> > > > > if the symbolism of > Khaleda was absent. Khaleda maintained
>her
>> > > > > position by a network of > patronage, corruption and the
>> > ruthless
>> > > > > removal of all internal > opposition.> > Hasina Wajed became
>AL
>> > > > leader
>> > > > > and PM because she is the daughter of > Sheikh Mujib. AL would
>> > have
>> > > > > broken into various groups if the > symbolism of Hasina was
>> > absent.
>> > > > > Hasina maintained her postion by a > network of patronage,
>> > > > corruption
>> > > > > and the ruthless removal of all > internal opposition.> > Tell
>> > it
>> > > > the
>> > > > > way it is man Enot the way it makes your patriotic ego >
>feel
>> > > > > good.> > Where was I asking you to worship me or Moeen?> You
>> > don't
>> > > > have
>> > > > > the guts or the ability to write 20 strong lines > against
>> > Hasina or
>> > > > > Khaleda for anything.> And that's why, in reality, you do
>> > worship
>> > > > them.>
>> > > > > > I am indeed privileged to shake the hand of the man who went
>> > > > after >
>> > > > > Nizami. I am indeed privileged to shake the hand of the man
>who
>> > > > went >
>> > > > > after Salauddin Qader Chowdhury. But I don't expect you to
>> > > > understand >
>> > > > > that. Please continue with the pechali, bhejali rubbish that
>> > has >
>> > > > > ruined our country.> > The same ladies you admire were crazy
>to
>> > give
>> > > > > malas to Dr Yunus when > he got the Nobel Prize. But when he
>> > dared
>> > > > to
>> > > > > enter politics they > hurled abuse at him like the selfish
>> > > > hypocrites
>> > > > > they are. Even though > as a citizen he is perfectly entitled
>to
>> > > > enter
>> > > > > politics. Becasue these Royal Begums can't stand anyone else
>in
>> > > > their
>> > > > > Kingdom.> > Don't give me that jonogonist mumbo jumbo. That's
>> > for
>> > > > the
>> > > > > Royal > Khaleda and Royal Hasina to say during their
>> > campaigns.> > I
>> > > > > haven't lost my mind. I just see that something is better than
>>
>> > > > > nothing.> > Are you looking forward to the election man and
>> > making
>> > > > some
>> > > > > money if > Hasina and Khaleda become PM? I am! If Hasina and
>> > Khaleda
>> > > > > become PM > I'm going to make some real money. Deshi style!
>> > Talk the
>> > > > > jonogon talk > and fill my pockets with the nation's money at
>> > the
>> > > > same
>> > > > > time.> > Maybe I could write a book: HOW TO MAKE MONEY WITH AL
>> > AND
>> > > > BNP
>> > > > > EFOR > DUMMIES.> > Ezajur Rahman> Kuwait> > --- In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@> >
>> > wrote:>
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > > Khaleda Zia became Prime Minister of Bangladesh on her own
>> > credit >
>> > > > and
>> > > > > elected by the people. She was not there by virtue of the
>> > mighty >
>> > > > gun.
>> > > > > 99% of Bangladeshis belong to lower-middle or middle class. To
>>
>> > > > what
>> > > > > class Mr Ezajur belong to? To what class Gen Moen Uddin Ahmed
>>
>> > > > belong
>> > > > > to? Royal class? Are you asking us to worship you? Sorry I am
>>
>> > not
>> > > > > worshiping Hasina or Khaleda. Both of them are leading two
>> > large >
>> > > > > political parties for more than two decades. They posses
>strong
>> > >
>> > > > > leadership qualities. Your Gen Moen has tried to form one
>> > political
>> > > > >
>> > > > > party with the help of C grade politicians and Nobel Prize
>> > winner
>> > > > but >
>> > > > > has failed to even kick off.> > > > These army boot lickers
>have
>> > > > lost
>> > > > > their minds.> > > > ezajur <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> > Dear
>> > > > Alochoks> > >
>> > > > > > Or perhaps I should prefer the State visit of Khaleda to
>> > Kuwait a
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > couple of years ago. Yes, perhaps her visit was more dignified
>> > than
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > the visit of Moeen U Ahmed. > > > > She wanted to buy some
>> > > > jewellery.
>> > > > > She was advised that the finest > > jewellers in Kuwait would
>> > > > happily
>> > > > > take a wide selection of pieces > to > > her hotel. She was
>> > advised
>> > > > to
>> > > > > go to a prestigious location. But she > > took the advice of
>> > some
>> > > > idiots
>> > > > > and went to one of the worst gold > > markets in Kuwait. As
>she
>> > > > walked
>> > > > > through the shops onlookers were > > bemused by her entourage.
>> > Who
>> > > > is
>> > > > > she? Why is she here? The market > > that seldom saw an upper
>> > middle
>> > > > > class Indian was now graced by the > > Prime Minister of
>> > > > Bangladesh. Of
>> > > > > course our jonogonists will say > she went to the shops of the
>> > > > common
>> > > > > man. But of course she bought > nothing > > there and in the
>end
>> > > > went to
>> > > > > an exclusive shop and purchased a few > > trinkets and baubles
>-
>> > > > costing
>> > > > > well beyond the dreams of the common > > man. Any idea how
>much
>> > she
>> > > > > spent?> > > > Good old Bangladeshi democracy.> > > > It's a
>> > > > slapstick
>> > > > > comedy.> > > > Regards> > > > Ezajur Rahman> > Kuwait> > > >
>---
>> > In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> >
>> > >> > >
>> > > > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > > On the other hand perhaps I am wrong.
>> > > > Perhaps I
>> > > > > should prefer > > Hasina > > > to Moeen U Ahmed. Perhaps I
>> > should
>> > > > prefer
>> > > > > her State visit to > Kuwait > > > back in 2000. The
>businessmen
>> > of
>> > > > AL
>> > > > > held a reception for her in > the > > > Grand Ballroom of the
>> > > > Sheraton
>> > > > > Hotel. Perhaps I should be proud > of > > > when the Foreign
>> > > > Minister,
>> > > > > Abdus Samad Azad, declared that the > > > audience should
>shout
>> > `Joy
>> > > > > Bangla' in honour of The Nethri. And > as > > > the
>chandeliers
>> > > > shook to
>> > > > > the refrain of a 800 idiots chanting Joy > > > Bangla the
>front
>> > > > rows of
>> > > > > VIPs, Ambassadors, MPs and Ministers > > quickly > > > and
>> > quietly
>> > > > > escaped through the side doors. And the receptionists > > and
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > security men ran around the hotel like headless chickens. And
>>
>> > > > other >
>> > > > > > > guests thought some terrorists had attacked. And like a
>> > > > brilliant >
>> > > > > > > Foreign Minister he turned to one side of the crowd and
>> > raising
>> > > > >
>> > > > > his > > > hand urged them to shout even louder because he
>could
>> > not
>> > > > hear
>> > > > > > > them. > > > And Hasina just smiled with happiness.> > > >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > The
>> > > > > Sheraton Hotel, the oldest and most prestigious hotel in > >
>> > > > Kuwait, > >
>> > > > > > entwined with the very history of Kuwait itself, witness to
>> > the >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > graciousness of a 1,000 stately receptions over the decades,
>> > had > >
>> > > > > just > > > seen its most ungracious day.> > > > > > But then
>who
>> > > > cares
>> > > > > that the rest of Kuwait just thought:> > > > > > What else do
>> > you
>> > > > expect
>> > > > > from the Prime Minister and Foreign > > Minister > > > of the
>> > > > > cleanersElt;BR>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > Ezajur
>Rahman> > >
>> > > > > Kuwait > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
>> > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur"
>> > > > > <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Saeed Bhai> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well I was just saying that I was privileged to shake his hand
>>
>> > > > and> >
>> > > > > > > wish him well. Pretty modest compared to what you might be
>> > > >
>> > > > > thinking> > > > for Hasina or Khaleda : )> > > > > > > > He is
>> > > > certainly
>> > > > > not one of the greatest personalities on> > > > earth but
>> > > > definitely one
>> > > > > of the bravest in Bangladesh.> > > > > > > > The future does
>not
>> > > > belong
>> > > > > to him or me. But it belongs to all > of > > us> > > > who
>want
>> > a
>> > > > > Bangladesh without Hasina and Khaleda and all that > > they >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > > represent. And in spite of all the mistakes the possibilty of
>>
>> > > > that > >
>> > > > > > future exists only because of the courage of the CTG. Not
>> > because
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > of > > > anyone else or anything else.> > > > > > > > What is
>> > this
>> > > > apple
>> > > > > polishing you speak of? What do you know > about> > > > real
>> > apple
>> > > > > polishing? Look at what our people do with Hasina and> > > >
>> > > > Khaleda -
>> > > > > the puja, the worshipping, the polishing, the > malishing,> >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > the
>> > > > > thel dhalano, the chamchagiri.. It is record breaking! We > >
>> > > > could> > >
>> > > > > > turn it into an export industry! But you won't mention that
>>
>> > > > will > >
>> > > > > > you.> > > > That's too uncomfortable. Far easier to talk
>> > about me
>> > > > and
>> > > > > my> > > > handshake.> > > > > > > > And what is this pity you
>> > feel?
>> > > > What
>> > > > > do you know about real > pity?> > > > Where is your pity for
>our
>> > > > people
>> > > > > who are made fools of by> > > > politicians year after year
>> > with lie
>> > > > > after lie? Where is your > pity> > > > for a democracy where
>> > > > democracy
>> > > > > ONLY means that political > > operatives> > > > are allowed to
>> > do
>> > > > > anything they want? Where is your pity for a> > > > democracy
>> > where
>> > > > if
>> > > > > you challenge the leader of your party your > > house> > > >
>> > gets
>> > > > burned
>> > > > > down? You won't speak of such uncomfortable truths. > > Far> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > easier to talk about me wishing the General well.> > > > > > >
>> > > You
>> > > > > should wish him well too. For because of him the voter > rolls
>> > > > >
>> > > > > will> > > > be more accurate than ever before. The voting
>booths
>> > > > will be
>> > > > > > more> > > > secure than ever before. The vote count will be
>> > more
>> > > > > legitimate > > than> > > > ever before. The voters will be
>safer
>> > > > than
>> > > > > every before. Your > > dream> > > > will come true - you will
>> > have
>> > > > your
>> > > > > free and fair election > between> > > > corrupt parties.> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > I don't dream of a future where unelected, unaccountable >
>> > > > officials> >
>> > > > > > > are forced to act because of the stupidity of elected > >
>> > > > > politicians. I> > > > dream of a future where AL and BNP
>behave
>> > like
>> > > > > proper democratic> > > > parties in a modern Bangladesh. And
>the
>> > > > CTG has
>> > > > > done more to > > achieve> > > > that than the Central
>> > Committees of
>> > > > AL
>> > > > > or BNP. People who slam > the> > > > CTG and claim to be
>neutral
>> > > > never
>> > > > > ever talk about AL and BNP. > If > > > they> > > > did then
>they
>> > > > would
>> > > > > be really making a difference.> > > > > > > > Look at our
>> > country.
>> > > > Be
>> > > > > honest. We have far more to pity than > > Moeen> > > > and
>> > > > Fakhruddin
>> > > > > and dreamers like me.> > > > > > > > By the way - who do you
>> > think I
>> > > > > should vote for? Hasina or > > Khaleda?> > > > Why? Convince
>me
>> > > > without
>> > > > > insulting me : )> > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > >
>> > Ezajur
>> > > > > Rahman> > > > Kuwait> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > > ---
>> > > > > In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "saeedurrehman92"> > > >
>> > > > <saeedurrehman92@>
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr. Ejazur> > > > >> >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > Thousand and one congratulations on your one of the biggest> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > achievements. I hope you have not washed your hands after > >
>> > > > shaking >
>> > > > > > > it> > > > > with Gen. Moeen's hand. You must preserve the
>> > scent
>> > > > of
>> > > > > him on > > > your> > > > > hands. The future definitely
>belongs
>> > to
>> > > > you
>> > > > > because you > shaked > > > hands> > > > > with one the
>greatest
>> > > > > personality on earth.> > > > >> > > > > I really don't feel
>bad
>> > > > feel bad
>> > > > > when I read a writing like > > this.> > > > Nice> > > > >
>piece
>> > of
>> > > > apple
>> > > > > polishing. I, however, feel pity for a nation > in> > > >
>> > which> >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > people like this exists.> > > > >> > > > > Saeed> > > > >> > >
>> > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@>
>> > > >
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > >> > > > >
>>
>> > > > > Yesterday I had the privilege and the honour of shaking the >
>>
>> > > > hand> >
>> > > > > > > of> > > > > > General Moeen U Ahmed. He is on an official
>> > visit
>> > > > to
>> > > > > Kuwait.> > > > Whilst> > > > > > he was largely surrounded by
>> > > > people who
>> > > > > supported the CTG > and > > > who> > > > > > were showering
>him
>> > with
>> > > > > their views I got the opportunity on> > > > behalf> > > > > >
>> > of all
>> > > > > supporters of the CTG to wish him good health, long > > life>
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > and>
>> > > > > > > > > > continued success. He reiterated that the nation
>> > needed
>> > > > an> >
>> > > > > > > election> > > > > > in December 2008.> > > > > >> > > > >
>>
>> > > > Moeen U
>> > > > > Ahmed and Dr Fakhruddin are great men and I remain> > > >
>> > > > defiantly> > >
>> > > > > > > > supportive. Becasue of such men we know that change is >
>>
>> > > > > possible.> > > > > > Because of such men even politicians now
>> > > > believe
>> > > > > that > change > > is> > > > > > possible. That change, so
>> > > > desperately
>> > > > > needed, must finally > be> > > > decided> > > > > > by our
>> > > > politicians.
>> > > > > But there is no doubt that it is these > > men > > > who> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > threw the ball back in the pitch. Lets all pray that the >
>> > teams> >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > play> > > > > > sincerely.> > > > > >> > > > > > And for those
>> > who
>> > > > think
>> > > > > that standing next to Hasina or > > Khaleda> > > > is a> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > greater privilege than shaking the hand of Dr Yunus, Dr> > > >
>> > > > > Fakhruddin or> > > > > > General Moeen U Ahmed - even if your
>> > dreams
>> > > > > come true, the > > > future> > > > > > still does not belong
>to
>> > > > you.> >
>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Ezajur
>Rahman>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kuwait> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir > > faruquealamgir@>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > IDIOTS ALWAYS THNKS THEM AS
>THE
>> > > > > GREATEST INTELIGENT SO > THE > > > CASE> > > > > > WITH OUR
>> > > > > FRIEND....................................> > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Faruque Alamgir> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Salahuddin Ayubi
>> > > > s_ayubi786@>
>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: Fakahruddin's speech> > > > > > was an
>> > excellent
>> > > > one.
>> > > > > Why nitwits like yourself criticise > him > > is> > > > > >
>> > beyond
>> > > > my
>> > > > > comprehension. Instead of using a very famous > man's > > >
>> > name> >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > as your mask why dont you appear in your own name. You
>are>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > disgracing a great man. You with your level of intelligence
>>
>> > >
>> > > > will>
>> > > > > > > > > > never reach anywhere near what the great man
>achieved
>> > in
>> > > > his>
>> > > > > > > > > > lifetime. Stop bullshitting and misguiding people. I
>> > do
>> > > > not >
>> > > > > > feel> > > > > > that the country is safe in the hands of our
>> > kind
>> > > > of >
>> > > > > > > politicians,> > > > > > most of whom do not have the basic
>> > > > education
>> > > > > behind them. > Era> > > > shobai> > > > > > foot pather neta.
>> > bhalo
>> > > > > kichu bojhar ba korar shamortho eder> > > > > > akebarei nei.>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > .> > > > > > > Salahuddin Ayubi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >
>---
>> > On
>> > > > Tue,
>> > > > > 5/13/08, mahathir of bd wouldbemahathirofbd@ > > > wrote:> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > > From: mahathir of bd wouldbemahathirofbd@> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Subject: [Dahuk]: Thanks Fakhruddin - you have made us > >
>> > laugh >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > by> > > > > > your sermon> > > > > > > To:
>> > > > tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com,
>> > > > > chottala@yahoogroups.com,> > > > > > khabor@yahoogroups.com,
>> > > > > dahuk@yahoogroups.com,> > > > > > vinnomot@yahoogroups.com,
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com,> > > > > >
>> > > > notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com >
>> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 7:11 AM> > > > > > >> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > তà§à¦®à¦¿ কর
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > না> > > > > করার> > > > > >
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>> > > ।>
>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >
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>> > > > > কষà§à¦Ÿà§E¦°> > > > > >
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>> > > > > সà§à¦¥à¦—িত বা শিথিল,> > > > >
>>
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>> > > > > ধারাবাহিকতা> > > > > >
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>> > >
>> > > >
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>> > > > > পà§&lsqauo;রà§E¦¶à¦¨à§E¦°
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>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > নির> > > > > > à§à¦¬à¦¾à¦šà¦¨à§€ ফল
>> > > > > মà§E¦¨à§Eনà§E§Ÿà¦¾> > > > > >
>> > > > > নিশà§à¦šà¦¿à¦¤
>করতà§Eহবà§Elt;BR>> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > http://www.manabzam in.net/lead- 01.htm> > > > > > >> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >
>> > > > > ততà§à¦¬à¦¬à¦§à¦¾à§Ÿà¦•à¦¦à§E¦°> > > > >
>> > > > > তাবà§E¦¦à¦¾à¦°> > > > > > দà§E¦°
>> > > > > জà§à¦¤à¦¾ দিয়à§Eপিটাà¦",> > >
>> >
>> > > > > জà§E¦²à§Elt;BR>> > > > > যাà¦",
>> > > > > তিনবà§E¦²à¦¾> > > > >
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