Why the issue now?
What they really want ?
Are they more patrot than Osmany Jaill col Akbor?
osmany jalil acber never rose such demand.
But DR kamal is demanding for trial of "war criminals"who is DR kamal?
He was called Rajaker in in Charampatra of Sadhin Bangla beter kendra.
He signed the packt which bar the trial of crimes in 1971.
Musfique Prodhan <chena_kew@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr Raisuddin's call for unity for the betterment of Bangladesh is the demand of all patriots. However, his rebuttal below, may create doubt in ones mind about the depth of his understanding about our national agendas.There was only one agenda during our liberation war; i.e Freedom. Since the communist super power like USSR along with Socialist minded India helped us to fight for our cause, then Govt have adopted the Socialism, Secularism, Democracy, and Nationalism (Bangali) as the four pillars of our constitution.After the sad demise of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, and the rise of Bangladeshi nationalism, three out of four pillar of our Constitution was amended. Since it got popular among Bangladeshis, even Awami Leage too have adopted similar approach to their own constitution, though it was not inked.Awami Leage who politically steered our liberation war, clearly have adopted Capitalism over Socialism and Theism over Secularism in their principle. Only a hand full non realistic AL fans seldom echoes to go back to 1972s constitution as a part of non serious political chants.When Mr Raisuddin accuses Mr Ayubi to stand against the basic code of Bangladesh's liberation war, then one must wonder which century Mr Raisuddin belongs to? Because there is nothing against BD priciples that was disputed by Mr Ayubi. And Mr Raisuddin also didnot mention those violations at all.Except for democracy, the other three principles of our liberation war have been amended. If Mr Raisuddin is unaware of the change, then it must wonder which world does he lives?Though Bangladesh Awami Leage along with the name sake leftist parties seldomly echoes the banning of JIB from our political arena, but such call was never serious nor practical. In parliamentary system, two third majority in the house is necessary to pass such resolution.As far as the trial of the war crimes collaborator goes, in a civil society such can easily be attained through the judiciary. But such issue has been nourished days after days to gain political leverage, hence we see the emerge of GhaDaNiC, Sector Commander's Forum etc. If the issue was that serious to the concern parties, then they should already knocked the doors of the court, instead of engaging in street side violent agitation and killing of the innocents. ( Remember the Oct of 2006 event?)These are the things Mr Ayubi have been pointing out time to time, for which Mr Raisuddin have awarded him as the sympathizer of Rajakar, Al Badr, Al Shams, Urdu loving, even Al Quaida !!!! ( I wonder where does Al Quida comes from in this issue? Seems like someone really need serious learning about contemporary history of the world events)These tittles have been misused so much, that it doe snot make no impact on general public any more, rather sometimes raises the eyebrows into wonder.I have bad news for all Bangla loving patriots. Look deep in your own household. Your young ones know Hindi ( the mother of Urdu) better than Bangla, your female members are psychotically obsessed with Hindi entertainment channels and fashion, your dramatists, cinema and music directors often copy Hindi dialogs and songs. So is it ok to criticize one, probably who was born and grew up in a Urdu environment, for having limited passion for Urdu? ( A huge portion of Dhakaiyas speak Urdu as their mother tongue)My writeup should not be assumed as an answer on behalf of Mr Ayubi, as he is quite capable of doing it himself. Rather I am trying explore the common grounds among us to be united, as called by many reputed members here, that includes Mr Raisuddin too as well.In order to be united for greater cause, we must explore bias free sources to educate/rededucate our knowledge base. So we have a much clearer picture of our history and culture of present and past. Based on our rejuvenated mind, definitely we could adopt a path of meaningfull unification, for the greater cause of Bangladesh. Raising ourselves above political biasness would remove any bar from that noble path.Please agree that Bangladesh is much bigger than any political party or figure.Musfique.
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.com> wrote:From: Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. S A Hannan - Repentence for the past mistakes and asking the victims for forgiveness is the only way to create a better world !
To: notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 7:54 AM
Mr. Ayubi,
With due respect, may I ask you, a similar question to you why you are so obsessed with Urdu, Pakistan, hijakars of Islam, Jamat, Arabists, Rajakars, Albadar, Alshams, AlQuaeda, and all who goes by someway, or by whatever means, go against the Basic Codes of Bangladesh on which this country was founded? Why you and your supporters have despicable stinky mouth through which world's most hated words come out when you are after someone? Why you can not maintain your normal posture in the public arena and express yourself like a gentlemen and an orator rather than showing extreme intolerance and uttering lowest level laudable words? You are a retired person having enough time to do all these and earn something out of it but most of the other people like me have regular work to earn, a lot of family work, and in between trying to contribute something, as much as possible, for the Mo/Fatherland where I was born, grown, educated, and earning by work, and where my all ancestors were born and where all my coming generations will be rooted. This isn't the same as you and us. Anyone like me have no free time to garbages out of the internet plate. So, I would really really request you to focus on the issues, talk about the issues the way you like, contribute rather confuse and laud, and be player and partner, either on side, or oppsite side, or be independent speaker or observer, but please don't drag us into plague. Almost everybody knows what is good and what is bad. Public isn't stupid. So, good deeds will make you better and submerging in evil will only bring loss, pains, and ultimate destruction of people and the country. We have to work together regardless of the difference of opinions. We must disagree to finally agree into better points. Let's have unity for the sake of my Mo/Fatherland instead of bifurcating, trifurcating, or multi-furcating the nation and the country. It's not going to happen unless leaving the detrimental extremism that you and your supporters are showing to the general puiblic of Bangladesh. iIam saying all these becuse I am an extremely neutral person. I was never affiliated with any party, any organization, any group, or anything other than myself. However, I am a keen observer of what is going on in Bangladesh. All I want the stability and progress of Bangladesh. I really have hard time to tolarate anyone who I find are engaged in the subversive activities against Bangladesh whoever he may be. Thanks.
Regards,
K. Raisuddin
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; SonarBangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
From: s_ayubi786@yahoo. com
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:33:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. S A Hannan - Repentence for the past mistakes and asking the victims for forgiveness is the only way to create a better world !
MR.ASLAM,
WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH JBI AND PAKISTAN, IN TODAYS CONTEXT THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER EVIL THAT OUR BIG NEIGHBOUR WHO ARE OUT TO DESTROY US. WHY NOT THINK OF WAYS TO DEAL WITH THEM. WE CAN DEAL WITH PAKIS AND JIB LATERWARDS ALSO BUT THIS DANGER IS IMMINENT. THEY ARE NOW GOING TO IMPOSE THEIR STOOGES IN OUR COUNTRY AS OUR RULERS. THEY ARE ACCUSING US OF TRAINING INSURGENTS BUT IT IS THEY WHO PATRONISED THE HILL TRACT INSURGENTS AGAINST BANGLADESH.
FOR OUR VERY SURVIVAL WE MAY HAVE TO TIE UP WITH CHINA AND PAKISTAN. SO WHY BOTHER PAISTGAN NOW. THEY MAY BE OUR USEFUL ALLY AGAINST INDIA. YOU ARE DRAGGING A MINOR AND INSIGNIFICANT PROBLEM IN THE CONTEXT OF TODAY TOO FAR AND IGNORING THE BIGGER MENACE. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED IN LAST FORTY YEARS. YOU HAVE LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO TO REACH TWENTY FIRST CENTURY.
SALAHUDDIN AYUBI
--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. S A Hannan - Repentence for the past mistakes and asking the victims for forgiveness is the only way to create a better world !
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com, notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, chottala@yahoogroup s.com, SonarBangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 8:12 PM
Repentence for the past mistakes and asking the victims for forgiveness is the only way to create a better world and unify people not by justifying the crimes and misdeeds or by denials !wrt:Yes, the ordinary people of Pakistan was not responsible for theatrocities of 1971in Bangladesh by the ruling Junta of Pakistan ofwhich Jamaate Islami (JIB) was the main local collaborator.Among many reasons that "keep the Muslims of Bangladesh andPakistan divided" is a basic attitude that is reflected in the blog below:"Paki-Jamaati snakes are undermining our LiberationWar with their venoms and justifying Pak-attrocitie in thename of Islam...... [Javed Iqbal Kaleem's blog].Here is the quote justifying the genocide of 1971 in thename of Islam :"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim government,loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deservesdeath penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supportedthe army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami Leaguetried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslimenemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal Kaleem inDo you approve this Paki-Jamaati propaganda,Brother Hannan ?The people of different countries can join together toform a better world only through a bottom up approach.Although very feeble we can see a growth ofvoices of conscince in Pakistan which can unifythe mankind: Repentence for the past mistakesand asking the victims for forgiveness is the only wayto create a better world for the people of the countriesthat had been at war with each other, not by justifying thecrimes and misdeeds or denials.Voice of Conscience from PakistanPhoto: Prothom Alo 12/27/2007Read the full story at:http://www.prothom- alo.com/archive/ news_details_ home.php? dt=2007-12- 27&issue_id=468&nid=MTI4MDg=[12-27-2007]Like charity, religion and moral values begins at home. Islam can benefit by creatingan environments for better families and tolerance towards others, not by preaching ownsupremacy, hatered & parochialism in the name of Islam.Syed Aslam
On 7/2/08, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.com> wrote:Dear members,Assalamu Alaikum. As regards the correspondence below , as far as I nderstand there are some extremists on both sides who are making highly sentimental stories to inflame public opinion. The truth, free from propaganda, on the events of 71can be properly evaluated if any one reads the accounts on it by senior writers from Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Americans and European journalists. Then only it will be possible to form a balanced view.Recently my niwce , a journalist went to Pakistan in a journalists delegation .She wrote and also told me that common people of Pakistan say that they are in no way responsible. It is only the then politicians and generals who were responsible for all mis-happengs. They feel that some element are out to keep the Muslims of Bangladesh and Pakistan divided so that enemies of these countries and Islam can benefit.Shah Abdul Hannan----- Original Message -----From: Syed AslamSent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:52 PMSubject: [khabor.com] Bangladesh: A Legacy of Blood, Lest we forgetâ"lest we forget!
WRT:Bangladesh: A Legacy of Blood, Lest we forgetâ"lest we forget!Mr. Saluddin Ayubi
These are clear indications that few Paki-Jamaatis [ Javed, Kaukab et el] are very activein Bangladeshi forums and trying to justify the crimes of 1971 where Jamaate Islami wasthe main accessory and collaborator with it's Al-Badar in the front-line.Till today, they are actively trying to falsify our history and justify their crimes and atrocitiesof 1971 in the name of Islam. JIB and its cohorts have the same game plan.I have no problem with the ordinary people of Pakistan, they are as deprived as ourordinary masses. What has happened in 1971 is a phenomenon. This phenomenonmay repeat unless the new generation know the true history of our Nation's birthand stay alert against all external enemies, and enemies within. The price for ourindependence was paid with the blood of our masses and the izzats of mothers andsisters.Do you see that the same Pakistani indoctrination still prevails, I have been calleda Hindu (Mr. Sri Gose) , promoting his Indian agenda, just because I have a differentvision or different points of view. I read in history books and heard from our elderly that everydemocratic movements before independence [1947-71 from Bhasa Andolon to 6-point /11-pointmovements] were termed as acts of Hindus promoting Indian agenda. I think, you knowbetter than me ....Lo and behold ! All our victories of yesterday Is embedded in one that we paid the price with blood... And the honor of our mothers and sisters ... Stay alert of the traitors and enemies within ..... Lest we forgetâ"lest we forget! Thanks for your patienceSyed AslamOn 7/1/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:Mr. Aslam,
I fail to understand as to why are you trying to quote from a Pakistani national and trying to prove that he is Bangladeshi Jamat Activist. Pakistanis may say anything but we can not take that as bench mark for anything because we are no longer Pakistan. We were Pakistan for only 24 years and we are Bangladesh for 37 years. the most active part of our population were all born in bangladesh. Then why cant you forget Pakistan. We have nothing to do with them. they are not our friend , philosopher or guide. So why bother about them. Just believe that Pakistan do not exist.
Salahuddin ayubi
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. BaharWhen in doubt, check it out [follow your big brothers of 1971]"Merir tonoy jodi Isshor tonoy hoi, Ghoser tonoy tobey dosher to noy !"I just wonder what a metamorphosis Mr. Bahar has gone through in 40 years .......now he is an apologist for the JIB, a buddhi-Jibi working for Jamaat .Read my lips again:"Paki-Jamaati snakes are undermining our Liberation War with their venoms andjustifying Pak-attrocitie in the name of Islam...... [Javed Iqbal Kaleem's blog].Here is the quote justifying the genocide of 1971 in the name of Islam :"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim government,loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deservesdeath penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supportedthe army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami Leaguetried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslimenemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal Kaleem in]So, you approve this Jamaati propaganda, Mr. Bahar?Mr. Bahar you are basically saying that opposing this attitudeand defending the Glory of our War of Liberation is topromote the Indian agenda .......Mr. Bahar when your logic fails you use "argumentum ad hominem".I have to admit, you specialize in the propaganda tactics of repeatedlyfalsifying facts and personal attacks.Oh, yeah ! people who glorify our liberation war do not have shame,because they don't wear the special kind of lebash that Jamaatis wear.Syed AslamPS: You previously called him Mr. Sri Gose. Your Pakistani collegue called him Tilak Mataji, no wonder you guys are indoctrinated in the same Goebelian School: Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.On 6/30/08, abid bahar <abidbahar@yahoo. com> wrote:Mr. Gose(Syed Aslam):Namaskar,Please read the following:I am surprised to see people in the Notun Bangla forgot that this gentleman used two Muslim names to promote his Indian agenda. I previously called him Mr. Sri Gose. After my rebuttle he stopped using one Muslim name and now is very cosy using the other Sufi like name, Syed Aslam. But I saved all his previous files where he used two names.Lately he wrote here:"I have openly declared many timesthat, I consider Jamaate Islami Bangladesh (JIB) the most henioussocio-political group in the history of Bangladesh. This groupis a proven traitor and have never regreted for their misdeeds of1971. Now they are trying to justify their crimes of 1971 in cahootwith their Paki-cohorts. [Paki-Jamaati snakes are undermining the ourLiberation War with their venoms and justifying Pak-attrocities in thename of Islam....."Well, why to wonder in this Gose's commitment to hate Jamati Islami and its cohorts. Mr. Gose giving everybody advise to worship the Indian/ AL agenda of 1971 liberation war and divide our nation between pro-liberation and anti- liberation forces is not surprising.Mr. Gose,It has been close to 40 years. You are playing the broken record. If you get paid for this full time job to feed your family, that is your business but in your very immoral act how do you feel to advise people? Previously, I asked you to ask your consciounce and to keep quiet or use the real name. I can see that people who have no shame do not change. But here I can see someone even giving us advise.
Attention : Mr. Md. Mostafa KamalMr. Md. Mostafa KamalWhat makes you so irritated? Mr Golam Ahmed is a gentleman andadmitted that it was a "copy paste mistake"In general, I am not interested in nitpicking and didn't want to getdragged into that debate.But, as a matter of fact I have no problem in using the term BAL.Read my past posts, I have used the word BAL many times to indicateAwami League.However, we the Bangladeshis do not use ML for Muslim LeagueJIB for Jamaate Islami of Bangladesh or BAL for BangladeshAwami League, in general. It is very clear from your posts that youare using the word BAL in bad faith with your pubic senses andbiased understandings of the ongoing historical processes.I desdain to conceal my views: I have openly declared many timesthat, I consider Jamaate Islami Bangladesh (JIB) the most henioussocio-political group in the history of Bangladesh. This groupis a proven traitor and have never regreted for their misdeeds of1971. Now they are trying to justify their crimes of 1971 in cahootwith their Paki-cohorts. [Paki-Jamaati snakes are undermining the ourLiberation War with their venoms and justifying Pak-attrocitie in thename of Islam......[ Javed Iqbal Kaleem's blog].Here is the quote justifying the genocide of 1971 in thename of Islam :"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim government,loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deservesdeath penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supportedthe army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami Leaguetried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslimenemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal Kaleem in]Mr. Kamal, You are stunchly anti-BAL. Just admit it ! That is the fact !As I see, you and your Mastuto cousins get tremendous amounts of innerpubic sataisfaction when using the term BAL for Awami League. If you wantto fight Awami League, fight politically, not with your pubic narrowness.As always, am a silent on-looker of of the events that are unfolding beforeour eyes. Between BNP and Awami League, I look into their agendacase by case basis. Each party has it's own GOOD, BAD and UGLY.Sorry, Julfi ki baat may BAL o pe aagiya .....Take it easy ....ThanksSyed AslamPS: In urdu, Bal means human hair, alternatively it may meanwings. Please read Bal-i-Jibril (Urdu: با ٠جبر ÛÙ; or Gabriel's Wingby poet Allama Iqbal and freshen up your mind !!!!)
On 6/30/08, Md. Mostafa Kamal <mmk3k@yahoo. com> wrote:Mr. Aslam,
Why are you now avoiding or hiding, huh?
It because you strongly guided by your heart & not by brain. That is why you making
Mr. Golam Ahmed's simple matter to complex things.
You agree or not BAL = Bangladesh Awami League. That is the fact.
Thank You All,
Md. Mostafa Kamal.
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