[ALOCHONA] Turkman and Confused Heart

Dear Mr. Turkman:
 
Alas. Your thoughts and your 'self singing lores of gone by good old days' of your family is untraceable in history. Your thoughts and your ways of understanding is diluted to the level of utter confusion to yourself and others. Deamnding to know who you are - is our right as readers here in Alochona Online as often you have claimed to be a Muslim - and you claimed your children to be in your words 'Al Hamdulillah' Muslims but yet you tried to draw our attention over and over again to the the fact that we should be ashamed of being Muslims and you have over and over again pointed to the superiority of the West in all levels. Ofcourse we have the right to know who you are to understand your background and your level of knowledge. I am still very sure about the conclusion I had drawn about you earlier - you suffer from identity crisis and a mixture of diluted education. Your claim of being a scientist does not prove anything. You wake up in the morning and look at the mirror and think - one more generation and no one will recognise your progeny to have had a tant skin ever or to have had migrated from the East. Your conclusion about people like me to want to see harm befall you - is utterly funny and a dog-gone conclusion (as you Americans say) and that allegation is not going to work with me when I am internationally well known for being an honest and peace-making broker. I will not stand here with my fingers tied and eyes shut and watch you hurl abuses to my and my nation's forefathers for their religious faith and liberty struggle. I will use law and all my academic and intellectual power to stop that. If I have had your details - you can rest assure that a legal notice would have reached your doors and we can figt it out at Courts. Want to have the challenge? Come on - give me your deatils - don't hide like a coward. I will stop you with the law of the West. My life is crystal clear - if I am wrong - I am man enough to accept my faults.
 
You sang the song of your forefathers' struggle in 1857 - listen brother - I don't want to sing the song of my family as you can read that from various sources. But I know the history of 1857 from all major sources - even though your forefather's name does not ring a bell - yet if thy had struggled and suffered for their contribution in 1857 - God bless them - a struggle which you stampeded by saying the British should have stayed back for longer - until we had learnt Democracy. Shame on you!! Do you think your forefathers would have been proud of you?? Shame on you. We have had suffered enough.
 
The rise of British power in the early 17th century and the rise of Europe do not conclude them to have had human rights. I keep on telling into your apparent deaf ears -
 
a. I do not accept that Europe was more advanced than Muslim world until 16th century in any field - if you disagree - produce your evidence; Human Rights? My dear man - I am an expert in that field. England have had chopped their King's head for religion before that. The Bill of Rights still is upheld in UK where the King is always a Christian King? Laugh. Human Rights? No female rights to vote or even own property in UK until the 18th century. Want more examples? You are stupidly ignorrant.
 
b. Muslims fell into loss in economic and scientific development as your Western powers were ruling and chaining Muslim nations and selling them off to America and other powers as slave traders during this so called rise of Europe's era. Human Rights?? Yes we were writing philosophy and practising love whilst Europe was abusing us at the instructions of the Pope to Christianise the world.
 
Come on - give me examples - not conclusions and family galores.
 
Do you know the history of human rights??? Democracy??? Democracy does not work for pooer countries like us - we need the rule of the intellectual - we need a third way. How? We have to find a way. Our failure to find a third way does not mean - Democracy has to be conclusively final. Democracy did not work in Europe and America until they were poor as well - and still democracy does not work there. Talk to Amnesty International who think US is the worst Human Rights abuser and talk to 'Stop the War Coalition' who think Tony was a War Criminal. Talk to scholar Muslims who think Saddam was not a Muslim at all. Why we have police states?? Why do you think? To make it easy for the so called super powers to rule us with a stick...to make sure ordinary people are not heard. To make sure that at G8 - the African farmers cannot demand equal and fair value for the coffee. So that mass legitimate movements are nibbed in the bud.
 
Only a distorted and idiot like you will never understand.
 
Allah says in Sura Taoba verse 127:
 

And whenever any Sura is sent down, they begin to look at on each other. Whether any one watches you? Then they turn away. Allah has turned away their hearts, because they are a people who do not understand.

 
Peace be upon your confused and closed heart.
 
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate



 

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:28:24 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Seeking Knowledge from Turkman's posts?

Sir,

When Moslim lands were freed by Colonial Empires, Literacy Rate of those countries was not at par with advanced countries of Europe or Japan. Do you think, this is not true?

 

I don't care to know, what your opinion is about the question above but I know, ordinary Moslims had no idea, what the hell is Democracy since they had always lived in a Police State run by a Colonial Empire.

 

Moslims had no idea, what Civil Liberties and Human Rights meant because there was no such thing that had ever existed in any Islamic Empire before take-over their lands by Europeans. Moslims in almost all of Moslim Countries still don't know, what Civil Liberties and Human Rights mean even more than half a century after freedom from Europeans.

 

You call me an idiot but please tell me, if Moslims really know, what Civil Liberties and Human Rights are, why the hell almost all Moslim Countries are Police States?

 

My family was not Chamcha of British Empire. My Ancestor was the richest Prince of Moghual Empire Prince Khairuddin, who had sold all his Assets to finance the 1857 War against the British. After our Rebellion against 25,000 Britishers was shot-down by over-whelmingly Punjabi Recruits from Punjab, we were defeated. He was succumbed to wind Bed Strings with Jute in British Jail with his soft hands.

 

He was later poisoned to death by the British, while still in Jail because he was still considered as a thereat to British Empire in India. The British had later tried to compensate our family by lure of Pensions and we had considered that money our insult. Nobody from our family had accepted British Pensions.

 

Not all of us but my father later rose to become a Billionaire of India and had supported a socialist patriot Sobhaash Chandre Boas (a Bengali) instead of Gandhi (a fake) but he was no match for Multi Billionaire of those days, MoTi Lal Nehru the father of Jwaahar Lal Nehru so, Mr. Boas had resigned after being elected President of Congress Party, defeating Gandhi in open elections since my father could not support the whole Congress Party Salaries and Nehru had stopped bank-rolling Congress.

 

It really hurts, when ignorant people like you do not know, who the hell I am and accuse me of not me being a Chamchaa but even my ancestors. Was Tipu Sultan a Chamcha of British also?

Well, inter-marriages caused his grandson to be a part of my family and this is why I ended up in East Pakistan because half of them were there though rest of them remained in Calcutta. Do you know, who always which Anti Ayub Council League Member won National Assembly seat in Rajshahi District and his mother owned hundreds of acres of Tea Gardens in Sylhet until CIA with replacing the Ballot Boxes had made him lose to Awami League candidate?

He was my cousin. He was never a Chamcha of Ayub or Yahya and when people, who lived on his Estate free learnt that he had lost election, they were in front of his house crying and telling him, there must be a fraud because all of them had voted for him. Diversity of Politics can make patriots become Treasonous only in the most corrupt countries of the world. Can such a thing happen in the Western World?

 

In West Pakistan, our other part of family fought for freedom of masses also but were defeated by Punjabis and almost all of them were assassinated. Thanks for calling me a Chamcha, when 2 Assassination Attempts have taken place against me and I do not have a Phone in my own name and neither I do my Internet address. I have to keep moving every two years so your JehaaDis can not learn, where I live and I guess this is now a part of Islam to secretly assassinate, whoever your Molllaas order. Is this real Islam, sir?

 

I'm not scared of dieing. I'm only trying to live for people, who live-off me because I know, nobody would be taking care of them after you guys assassinate me. Allah tell us to fight against Evil and you are the Satanic Evil to me. You hate me, the only Major Moslim Inventor that has a major Invention since 1200 A.D. but I guess, I'm no more a Moslim anyway so you should not claim me as a Moslim Inventor. You people hate Education and

Science anyway and your record of blowing-up schools in Afghanistan and Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan is a proof of that. You have thrown Acid on the faces of Female Teachers of Schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Is this what Islam that is against Chamchas like me is all about?

Is this your Human Rights Activities are all about propogating B.S. against the West and ignoring, what you brothers do in Moslim Countries?

May Allah give you a better sense ...! 

 

 mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Turkman:
 
I am surprised at the strength of your innovativeness in finding ways to degrade our religion, colour, sovereignty and dignity. I don't understand how much mentally sick someone can be in their understanding to write things and suggest issues which are as appalling as the things you write/suggest. I am sure that your knowledge of our history is based on Satellite History Channel where you are spending a lot of time and you really did not have any education or history lesson in your academic life in Bangladesh - even at early stage. You claimed to have become a Mufti at 16 and yet I am sure you are one of the breeds of our unfortunate nation who are shamelessly hypocratic and Mir Jafor. How dare you suggest that the liberated or independent nations should have been ruled for longer. People like you are the hypocrats who supported the British in their killings of Indian Sub Continental people in 1757 and 1847 and people like you became their chamchas. Who helped the Americans when the British left them and when they were utterly poor in the early 19th century? Who helped the British when during Queen Victoria's time 'pick-pocketing' was a crime punishable by hanging? Which super power should have helped them? Only idiots like you have the gutts to talk like this.
 
With this letter I request the Moderator of this Online Service - to take care and not to allow publication of issues which are questionably abusive towards our hard earned independence - from Pakistan or even from the British. This is not freedom of speech by any terms. This is an abuse of a right to speak.
 
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocte

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