Dear Mr. Turkman:
In short - I meant - saudi Arabia has the lowest crime rate in the world according to all major sources of world recognised reports - including agencies who has thoroigh accesses in all levels - including - Amnesty International, US State Department of Justice and Human Rights Watch and even AFP. Pls refer to their websites. If we don't accept any of them - then we have to rely on hunches and hypothesis - do we want to? As a lawyer - I always rely on data and references. By the way the definition of un-natural death - means the death wahich was caused by criminal act or accident - not the re4sult of natural causation.
Sincerely,
Mufassil Islam
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From: kareem871@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 05:25:44 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Turkman the Trickman
Dear Mr. Mufassil Islam,
I follow your postings with interest but there is something in your last letter that caught my attention. You said,"in case of Saudi Arabia where the un-natural deaths of women are astonishingly much lower than even USA, UK or any of the Christian or Non-Christian countries".
Would you please care to clarify three basic things:
1. What precisely constitutes "unnatural" death?
2. What is the source of such an assertion. I find it highly improbable that Saudi Arabia publishes data on female homicides.
3. If "USA,UK or any of the Christian or Non-Christian countries" are excluded which countries remain?
Thanks for your time,
Sincerely,
Reza
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From: mufassili@hotmail.
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:36:28 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Turkman the Trickman
Dear Mr. Turman/Trickman:
Greetings. You might have sighed a relief thinking that I have had overlooked your last two letters. Well as you can see, I did not. I do not understand what is the problem in your assessments and related understandings. You are an obvious derogated Islam hater who wears a hypocratic musk of a Muslim and ends with emperor Akbar's Allah Akbar at times and claims to be a Muslim yet write issues to which you are yourself utterly confused.
I think I requested you to men tion references in your mentionings and not to use tricking out of context misquotes. It is true that in an overall world data - the female birth rates are much higher than males in the world (CIA Fact File) but that does not mean all the countries will have to have female birth rates higher than males. In poor countries like Bangladesh, Angola and others - the women folk lack contraceptives and safe birth facilities and maternity care which results in higher female deaths - pushing the female population lower but you cannot say that in case of Saudi Arabia where the un-natural deaths of women are astonishingly much lower than even USA, UK or any of the Christian or Non-Christian countries. They simply have to have less female births. Are you trying to say Saudi Arabia has more female deaths from national and social deaths than many other countries? You are crazy if you think this is the case in world's lowest crime rate nation. But I do not support many of their human rights issues which are also not Islamic in the true sense. But what has that got to do anything with female deaths???? You have wildly mentioned some develioped Christian countries but why not take the examples of African nations? Female deaths are much higher among war-torn AIDS inflicted non-Islamic countries where rapes flare???
About Pakistan condemning China: I am confident that you do not have the basic understanding about International Law. A nation will condemn and call the diplomat of another nation if the other nation holds any view governmentally or might have taken up a new view which affects the basic existing and well documented views of both countries upon which the bilateral ties are bound. That's why I do not support that the Denmark Government had to apologise for the cartoons as they never supported the cartoons but they could have brought criminal charges for incitement of communal violence by the cartoonists. I hope you remember the Christian outcry after the screening of 'The Last Temptation of Christ' and the burning of Cinema halls in Latin America. In UK, when Salman Rushdie was knighted the basic view of the so called secular Government was questioned and that is the reason it was debated in the Pakistani parliament. Alas if you could realise these basic norms. (Read: William Stark's Interntaional Law).
I request you to reveal your real name and to refrain from using several names in several of your letters as you have already tried in vain several times with your apparent lack of knowledge in almost every field.
Sincerely,
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate
President and CE: Law Offices of Islam and Associates
UK, Singapore, Nepal, Australia, Bangaldesh, India
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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:06:52 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] India baby girl deaths increase
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Greetings. You might have sighed a relief thinking that I have had overlooked your last two letters. Well as you can see, I did not. I do not understand what is the problem in your assessments and related understandings. You are an obvious derogated Islam hater who wears a hypocratic musk of a Muslim and ends with emperor Akbar's Allah Akbar at times and claims to be a Muslim yet write issues to which you are yourself utterly confused.
I think I requested you to men tion references in your mentionings and not to use tricking out of context misquotes. It is true that in an overall world data - the female birth rates are much higher than males in the world (CIA Fact File) but that does not mean all the countries will have to have female birth rates higher than males. In poor countries like Bangladesh, Angola and others - the women folk lack contraceptives and safe birth facilities and maternity care which results in higher female deaths - pushing the female population lower but you cannot say that in case of Saudi Arabia where the un-natural deaths of women are astonishingly much lower than even USA, UK or any of the Christian or Non-Christian countries. They simply have to have less female births. Are you trying to say Saudi Arabia has more female deaths from national and social deaths than many other countries? You are crazy if you think this is the case in world's lowest crime rate nation. But I do not support many of their human rights issues which are also not Islamic in the true sense. But what has that got to do anything with female deaths???? You have wildly mentioned some develioped Christian countries but why not take the examples of African nations? Female deaths are much higher among war-torn AIDS inflicted non-Islamic countries where rapes flare???
About Pakistan condemning China: I am confident that you do not have the basic understanding about International Law. A nation will condemn and call the diplomat of another nation if the other nation holds any view governmentally or might have taken up a new view which affects the basic existing and well documented views of both countries upon which the bilateral ties are bound. That's why I do not support that the Denmark Government had to apologise for the cartoons as they never supported the cartoons but they could have brought criminal charges for incitement of communal violence by the cartoonists. I hope you remember the Christian outcry after the screening of 'The Last Temptation of Christ' and the burning of Cinema halls in Latin America. In UK, when Salman Rushdie was knighted the basic view of the so called secular Government was questioned and that is the reason it was debated in the Pakistani parliament. Alas if you could realise these basic norms. (Read: William Stark's Interntaional Law).
I request you to reveal your real name and to refrain from using several names in several of your letters as you have already tried in vain several times with your apparent lack of knowledge in almost every field.
Sincerely,
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate
President and CE: Law Offices of Islam and Associates
UK, Singapore, Nepal, Australia, Bangaldesh, India
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From: turkman@sbcglobal.
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:06:52 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] India baby girl deaths increase
I knew Sikhs and Moslims in that part of India did not want daughters because their white and fair complexion daughters were being kidnapped very young and some were running-away with dark-skinned Hindu Boys, after they grew-up but had no idea the Male-Female ratio of the whole region was 30 Girls to 100 Boys.
Its not true that India's Average Ratio is supposed to be 95 Females to 100 Males. Females are always born 105 to 100 Males in the world. According to UNO Statistical Data following are the Female Population ratios to every 100 Males in countries of the our region:
Pakistan 93, India 94, Sri Lanka 103, Maldives 95, Nepal 102, Bhutan 89, Bangladesh 95, Burma 102, China 94, Thailand 105, Cambodia 105, Indonesia 100.
27.55 % of Non Moslim Countries or territories show Female Population at least equal to male population or lower but 70.45 % of Moslim Countries show the same. All White Countries have higher Females population than Males.
Countries and territories with most Females to 100 Males:
Falkland Islands 122, Palau 120, Montserrat, Estonia, Ukraine, Latvia 117, Russia 116, Belarus, Lithuania, Armenia, Netherlands Antilles 115, Georgia, Lesotho 112, US Virgin Islands 111, Hungary 110, Hong Kong, Macao, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Aruba, Puerto Rico 109. (No Moslim Country)
Countries with least Female Population to 100 Males:
UAE 48, Qatar 49, Kuwait 67, Bahrain 75, Oman 79, Saudi Arabia 82. (All Moslim)
. Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com> wrote:
India baby girl deaths increase
There is a cultural preference for male children in IndiaThe number of girls born and surviving in India has hit an all time low compared to boys, ActionAid says.A report by the UK charity says increasing numbers of female foetuses were being aborted and baby girls deliberately neglected and left to die.In one site in the Punjab state, there are just 300 girls to every 1,000 boys among higher caste families, it says.ActionAid says India faces a "bleak" future if it does not end its practice of cultural preference for boys.Girls 'condemned'ActionAid teamed up with Canada's International Development Research Centre (IDRC) to produce the Disappearing Daughters report.More than 6,000 households in sites across five states in north-western India were interviewed and statistical comparisons were made with national census date.
The real horror of the situation is that for women avoiding having daughters is a rational choice
Laura Turquet, ActionAidUnder "normal" circumstances, there should be about 950 girls for every 1,000 boys, the charity said.But it said that in three of the five sites, that number was below 800.In four of the five sites surveyed, the proportion of girls to boys had declined since a 2001 census, the report said.The research also found that ratios of girls to boys were declining fastest in comparatively prosperous urban areas.ActionAid suggested the increasing use of ultrasound technology may be a factor in the trend.The document says that Indian woman are put under intense pressure to produce sons, in a culture that predominantly views girls as a burden rather than an asset.It says many families now use ultrasound scans and abort female foetuses, despite the existence of the 1994 law banning gender selection and selective abortion.The charity also blames other illegal practices - such as allowing the umbilical cord to become infected - for the growing gender imbalance."The real horror of the situation is that, for women, avoiding having daughters is a rational choice. But for wider society it's creating an appalling and desperate state of affairs," Laura Turquet, women's rights policy official at ActionAid said."In the long term, cultural attitudes need to change. India must address economic and social barriers including property rights, marriage dowries and gender roles that condemn girls before they are even born."If we don't act now the future looks bleak," Ms Turquet said.Some 10 million female foetuses have been aborted in India in the past 20 years, the British medical journal the Lancet has said.
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