My comments are inserted below for fun and enjoyment of readers. On Fri, 9/5/08, mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:
It seems Mr. Turkman strikes a zero again. I don't know what's wrong with this man!! He keeps on babbling in his confused state of mind and it seems he is the only one who is up and awake with all that rubbish peep holes that someone can see from fanatic burkhas (un-Islamic) towards open-brandishing sex-shops in Time Square , New York where I need to close my children's eyes. TURKMAN: Why do you go there with your children to start-with? Why do you live in a Secular country, if you hate Secularism so much. Who forced you to do that? When did I say, I'm for Sex Shops so you can visit them? ------------------------------------ Yes, I agree to some extent to his views of secularism as to state and I agree that is the way a sate should behave. But I am not equally surprised again by his failed dilemma of distorted Islamic view. TURKMAN: What you wrote means, only your view of Islam is distorted. Not mine. --------------------------------------- He belongs to those groups of people who think in Bangladesh there can be no religious Muslim who can hate Jamaat's stand during liberation war and I think he belongs to that invisible people who think Islamic Law means cutting off forehands for stealing when not a single man was subjected to that during the prophet (pbuh)'s time and don't know the reason why!! TURKMAN: This does not mean, law of cutting hands for stealing does not exist in Islam. ------------------------------ He talks about women beating. Well what does records say? TURKMAN: UN Record says 70.45% of Moslim Countries show that they have same number of Females or a lot lesser, when the fact is that Nature causes 5 to 10% more Female Births in Humans than Male Births. 27.55 % of Non Moslim Poor Countries or territories show the same. Almost all Christian Countries have more Females than Males. ----------------------------- Where do we see worst atrocities on women?? TURKMAN: In Moslim Countries. Female Fetus Abortions with the help of Ultrasound Machines, Female Infanticide, Honor Killings etc. -------------------------------- What does the Bible say when it depicts Eve to have had misled Adam and Quran does not recogise that and confirms that both Adam and Eve were misled together? TURKMAN: What present facts have to do with Bible? ------------------------------------ Somalia or Afghnistan? Well shock for him NO - it is in Angola and USA where Muslims are minorities that women are worst treated. TURKMAN: Both Angola and USA have 103 Females to 100 Males in their population and USA has that despite 3/4 million male emigrants enter USA every year legally or illegally. Afghanistan 93 Females to 100 Males. Somalia 101 Females to 100 Males but below natural level of 105 to 109 Females. (Ref: UN Deptt. of Statiscs) ----------------------------- Shock again that by the time I am done with this letter - hundreds of women will be raped by hooligans in those countries as there is no Islamic law. There a fast car and a half naked woman on the bill board says together - 'Take me for a Test Drive'. TURKMAN: How many of those Women you have taken for Test Drive? How many have you raped because our ratio of raping Women is 50 times higher in the West than ratio of the Western Men. Even our 2 Imams of Mosques are serving Jail for Raping Women or underage White Girls in U.K. How many Christian Imams are serving the same in U.K.? ... Allaho Akbar ...! --------------------------- Some views may sound nice from afar as being humane but in reality they fail in practice. Want to talk about Human Rights? Well ask Mrr. McCaine under what law did he keep the Bangladeshi girl in violation of our national law about adoption. TURKMAN: Ask the corrupt Bangla officials, who allowed it ...! He has legal papers from Govt. of Bangladesh. Lick them ...! ------------------------ Dare ask him? Come on I am taunting you Mr. Turkman - the unseen! He took the girl for treatment from the Teresa Orphanage in the name of treatment and decided never to return and now look she stands as a publicity stunt. What steps did your future president take (as a I am sure blind many Americans will selfishly vote for this war-lover) to bridge Briggett with her origin. Well you may say it worked out for her and she is having a good life - TURKMAN: Yes. Better life than tens of millions of Bangladeshi Girls. She would be very proud to be duaghter of a US President living in White House, Washington. Sure. According to Laws of USA, she would inherit at least one of John Mc Cain's 11 houses also. Jealous? ------------------------------ I on the other hand have seen hundreds of these children returning to Bangaldesh - ### ed up in head as they cannot find their roots. Islam does not allow this type of adoption at all. Do you know that?? Well sorry I forgot you claim to be a too white (too white to be a Bangladeshi) and too anti-Islamic and too much pro-Western to recongise that. TURKMAN: Yeah, I guess, its Hraam to be a Moslim and Bangladeshi because I'm too white. Thanks for letting me know. You must be crazy to think, she would ever go to hell of Bangladesh leaving her heaven in USA to live since you, yourself have not gone back to live in Bangladesh. ------------------------------
At least I have a God who talks to me. TURKMAN: You must check with a Psychairtist immediately because this a proof that you are insane. God only taked with Prophet Moses. He did not talk with even our Holy Prophet. You are really going insane. ----------------------------- Does your Bible talk to you apart from Holy Ghost inspiring even Christ to utter a few lines only in the whole Bible? Well Islam still allows you to roam in your ignorance and that is secularism.
Mufassil Islam TURKMAN: My Bible? This explains, you are having illusions about a Moslim like me. If Secularims is ignorance, why do you live in Secular USA? Doesn't it prove, you are an Ignorant yourself? You provided no answers to questions that I raised and instead went on Personal Attacks so, I did the same here, what you did to me.
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It seems Mr. Turkman strikes a zero again. I don't know what's wrong with this man!! He keeps on babbling in his confused state of mind and it seems he is the only one who is up and awake with all that rubbish peep holes that someone can see from fanatic burkhas (un-Islamic) towards open-brandishing sex-shops in Time Square , New York where I need to close my children's eyes. Yes, I agree to some extent to his views of secularism as to state and I agree that is the way a sate should behave. But I am not equally surprised again by his failed dilemma of distorted Islamic view. He belongs to those groups of people who think in Bangladesh there can be no religious Muslim who can hate Jamaat's stand during liberation war and I think he belongs to that invisible people who think Islamic Law means cutting off forehands for stealing when not a single man was subjected to that during the prophet (pbuh)'s time and don't know the reason why!! He talks about women beating. Well what does records say? Where do we see worst atrocities on women?? What does the Bible say when it depicts Eve to have had misled Adam and Quran does not recogise that and confirms that both Adam and Eve were misled together? Somalia or Afghnistan? Well shock for him NO - it is in Angola and USA where Muslims are minorities that women are worst treated. Shock again that by the time I am done with this letter - hundreds of women will be raped by hooligans in those countries as there is no Islamic law. There a fast car and a half naked woman on the bill board says together - 'Take me for a Test Drive'. Some views may sound nice from afar as being humane but in reality they fail in practice. Want to talk about Human Rights? Well ask Mrr. McCaine under what law did he keep the Bangladeshi girl in violation of our national law about adoption. Dare ask him? Come on I am taunting you Mr. Turkman - the unseen! He took the girl for treatment from the Teresa Orphanage in the name of treatment and decided never to return and now look she stands as a publicity stunt. What steps did your future president take (as a I am sure blind many Americans will selfishly vote for this war-lover) to bridge Briggett with her origin. Well you may say it worked out for her and she is having a good life - I on the other hand have seen hundreds of these children returning to Bangaldesh - ### ed up in head as they cannot find their roots. Islam does not allow this type of adoption at all. Do you know that?? Well sorry I forgot you claim to be a too white (too white to be a Bangladeshi) and too anti-Islamic and too much pro-Western to recongise that. At least I have a God who talks to me. Does your Bible talk to you apart from Holy Ghost inspiring even Christ to utter a few lines only in the whole Bible? Well Islam still allows you to roam in your ignorance and that is secularism. Mufassil Islam
From: turkman@sbcglobal. net | Sir, You are confusing Secularism with Anti Islamism. Your own Moslim Brothers in Canada, USA and Western Europe love Secularism because all it means is that ... * State would not impose any religion on citizens, * no laws would be made to please one religion or the other, * all are free to practice, whichever religion they want, * all have Freedom of Speech & Expression and Human Rights of all are protected. Please explain, why what's good for your brothers abroad and has created a better society than ours is no good for your country? Why should ... * Wife Beatings be allowed? * Honor Killings, Female Killings, Female Infanticide, Female Fetal Abortions with the help of Ultra Sound Machine to learn the gender of Pregnancy ahead of time should be allowed? * You people be allowed to bomb and kill each other or Non Moslims? * You people should be allowed to impose ancient and in some cases out-dated and obsolete Islamic Shriyah on people without their approval? * Borqah the Mini Tent be worn by our Women, when we see no practical need of it since we are no more like Bedouin Savages of 7th Century, who used to get turned-on looking at face of a female and used to start raping her? If you have this problem, you should be sent to Mental Hospital. Why should all of us change just because of you are still a Savage Brain, sir? If you want to be treated by Shriyah Law Punishments, we would be glad to execute your beheading for rape and murder but you are dreaming that you would be able to impose your Savage Talibani System here. Wake up, this is 21st Century, not 7th ...! Clock moves forward, not backwards.
--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Mohammed Ramjan <mramjan@hotmail. com> wrote:
Despite of the subject/points for and against M. Anis and Ms Farida Majid, I have the followings:
There is no option for a true Muslim to be a secularist. Yeaa Kana budu – we only pray for you, Ibadat -which extend from personal life to statehood life. Leading a multicultural life does not mean that a Muslim have to be secular. Prophet Mohammed (sm) was not a secular, his shabi were not secular. Muslim Caliphates after prophet were not secular, how and from where some Muslims tend to be secular we do not understand. Western magnetic induced man and women can have such aqida which is far from Islam. Secularist people can do all kinds of heinous act not the Islamist. Hitler Mussolini all was secular. At the end I would request all the forum members to use modern English not the Victorian from which the west has shifted a long ago. Thanks Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan Kuwait
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: farida_majid@ hotmail.com
Dear Anis saheb, I will comply with your request to explain the Qura'anic verse. Explicating the language of the Qur'an is always a pleasure, and in this case there could an additional reward of exposing the nature of falsehood, i.e., the basic premise of your mischievous piece. But I humbly refuse to engage in any "point by point" argument as per your invitation. Wa la talbisoo alhaqqa bilbaTili wa taktumoo alhaqqa wa antum t'alamoona [2:42]And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). The verb root 'labasa' or 'cover' gives rise to other words such as 'lebaas' meaning cloth or clothes. So, here, 't-albisoo alhaqqa' meaning 'covering or cloaking the truth' indicates a strong sense of intentionality. In ...bil baTili ..., 'bi' is a frequently used preposition in Arabic most often translated in English as 'with'. The word 'baTil' can have many nuanced meanings such as 'falsehood', 'illegal' 'unjustified' 'harmful' etc. The verse, therefore, is more than a simple interdiction against lying. It captures the act of deceitful men succinctly and cautions against indulging in telling the worst kind lies -- that which cleverly and intentionally conceals the truth in order to cause unjustified harm. Your article, along with some of the Jamaati-style propaganda, is the best example of what the Qur'an has explicitly forbidden us to do. Your knowledge of Islam is indeed very poor otherwise you would not have used the word 'Islam' so indicriminately to describe such a variety of things ranging from dishonest political posturing, political propaganda, misogynistic politics and even the Arabic language of the Qur'an. To say that almost all Islam-'ponthi' people were against the independence of Bangladesh is one of the most insulting remarks to the sovreignty of Bangladesh, to the general populace of this populous country, and it is surely one of the most sinful lies one can possibly utter! It is also an unforgivable insult to the religion of Islam in Bangladesh. The truth is only a handful of crooks were involved in heinous activities during the 1971 War of Liberation intent on preventing the independence from Pakistan. And these crooks only pretended to be Pakistan's collaborators. They were much worse than that, and unfortunately they are still with us. Any good Muslim, anywhere in the world, would hesitate to call them co-religionists. Secularism, by the way, is a constitutional issue. It protects the rights of religions especially in a multicultural, multireligious country like Bangladesh. Thanks. Farida Majid
From: dr_anisur_rahman@ yahoo.com Dear Ms. Farida Majid, It seems to me that your e-mail address has been hacked becuase it looks unusual to me that a secularist like you are quoting from from Quran. If it is not hacked, then the assumption I made in my article that influence of Islam is increasing amoung Bangladeshis is true. I do not know what the verse you mentioned means. My knowledge about Islam is almost nil. Please give us a translation of it. I will higly appreciate if you kindly let me know what are the falsehoods I am trying to spread in my article. It contains 11 points and if you identify the point(s) you have question about, then I will try to clarify my position. Regards. Anis --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@ ...> wrote: > > > How Bangladesh should react to such wicked exercise in indecent exposure of lies? > We should remind ourselves of the Qur'anic caution: > > Wa la talbisoo al-Haqqa bi alBaTili wa taktumu al-Haqqa wa antum t'alamoona. > > --Sura Baqarah, verse 42 > > May Allah save us from such spread of falsehoods that this author is spreading. > > -- Farida Majid > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Alochoks, > > Like elsewhere in the world, the influence of religion is increasing in Bangladesh. You will hardly find any mosque in Dhaka in Friday which can provide space for all those who come to pray. The spread of Hijab is also noticeable. Religion based political parties are expanding their support base. It has posed a risk for the country because countries like India are trying to create a fundamentalist image of Bangladesh and using the rising Islam as a tool for that. What should we do in this situation? I tried to analyse it in my article published at: > > http://www.sonarban gladesh.com/ article.php? ID=235> > Please share your views on this critical issue. > > Regards. > > Anis > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows®. > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 108588800/ direct/01/>
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