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Monday, November 10, 2008

[ALOCHONA] Re: Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in Bangladesh 

Dear Brother Ahsan
 
I sure wish I was a powerful elite – I'd have executed some
spectacular conspiracies of my own for the good of the nation : )
 
There are good conspiracies and there are bad conspiracies.
 
If we are to understand anything first then it must be that we
understand ourselves first. And many people understand conspiracies
better than they understand the country. I am not referring to you at
all but to the many conspiracy commentators out there.
 
Our nation is in a state of shock, system shock, caused entirely by
politics. We need  a hard tight slap to knock us out of this crazy
state of mind. And I don't care what shape or form that slap comes in.
 
If a foreign ill intentioned conspiracy brings greater mental clarity and
political unity then I am all for that conspiracy. If such a
conspiracy makes matters worse – well so what.
 
What the heck do you expect from a nation run by idiots?
 
You want foreigners to be gracious to us while we are ungracious to
ourselves?
 
Tell me what you think is the biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh?
 
I'll tell you what it is brother:
 
The biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh is the conspiracy created by
about 100,000 people who do everything possible to ensure that only
Khaleda runs BNP and only Hasina runs AL because that is the only way
that their pockets and their egos benefit. This 100,000 excludes millions of
decent party loyalists. Trouble is it's easier to talk about the American public
than it is to talk about our own public.
 
Please don't mention India. You might compare Desh to India but
Indians sure the heck don't compare anything of theirs with Desh –
even their politics. In India there is plenty to compensate for
political shortcomings. In Desh… AAARRGH!
 
Did you hear Hasina on BBC World Service last night? She is a
cauliflower. And Khaleda is a lettuce. Both propped up by a 100,000
selfish, wicked men. Lets fight them – its more worthy and more
dangerous than talking geopolitics!
 
Regards
 
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
 
 
 
 
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
<ahsan_mohammed2000@...> wrote:
> 
> Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> 
> May I know what are the criteria of saying someone morally
bankrupt?
> Is it the inability to blindly support your political views?
> 
> I tried to provide some background in the article in discussion
which
> was relevant to the subject.  Please go through it and let me know
if
> you disagree with any of its point.  You can have a look at the
> following article about involvements of RAW in Bangladesh politics:
> http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=344
> 
> You are again deviating from the subject.  If you have any
objection
> about the ideology, methodology or practice about a political party
> or a group of parties, then we can discuss it in a separate
thread.
> Why are you trying to mix everything?
> 
> I requested you to mention what were the stands of AL in various
> times regarding participating in polls, ratifying everything of the
> CTG etc.
> 
> I am still unclear why you did not mention anything about RAW?
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> Ahsan Mohammed
> 
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If a morally bankrupt person calls me intellectually bankrupt, I
> take it
> > as complement.  Thank you.  Why don't you provide us some facts
> > (including dates) and reasoning what MOSAD did in Bangladesh
since
> you
> > have case against them?   As far as deviating from the subject, I
> can
> > accuse you of the same.  You could not provide any justifications
> for
> > the lies and broken promises of those pseudo-Islamic parties to EC
> > during their previous visits.  Sorry I cannot call somebody
Islamic
> for
> > hypocrisy.  If they are like all the other non-religious political
> > parties, why do they use Islam in pursuing their worldly goals?
> Why do
> > they deceive us with their outward religious appearances?  I
wanted
> to
> > say lying is very little sin compared to what these religious
> frauds are
> > capable of doing without any hesitation.  Sorry that of type of
> > accusation hurts you personally.  I was not aware of that.
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> > >
> > > I requested you to provide your analysis with facts and
reasoning,
> > > however, you preferred to express your one-eyed views only. Many
> > > quarters might be involved in influencing Bangladesh politics.
We
> > > should discuss their roles and interests objectively instead of
> being
> > > supportive to any specific one. Why are you trying to portray
some
> > > people as supporters of some agencies? I am a Bangladeshi (and
you
> > > are too, I suppose) and we should uphold the interest of the
> nation,
> > > not of other countries. You mentioned about CIA, what about
others
> > > (e.g. RAW, MOSAD)? What do you think about them?
> > >
> > > Constantly deviating from the point of discussion to another
> specific
> > > one is a kind of intellectual bankruptcy. It reminds me of a
> famous
> > > joke. A clever boy sat in exam. He memorised an essay on cows
but
> > > the question paper asked him to write an essay on a river. He
> > > started. "There was a river. A cow was gazing on its bank. A cow
> > > has two eyes ... "
> > >
> > > How logical is it to make indecent remarks on someone on the
> ground
> > > that people of the same party did something which was not
decent?
> An
> > > Awami League leader celebrated rape century in Jahangirnagar
> > > University. Should it be reflected while EC makes remark on
Sheikh
> > > Hasina?
> > >
> > > Regarding some Islamic parties position on registration in EC,
you
> > > know that it is not new in our politics to change their demands
at
> > > different stages of negotiations. Will you kindly mention what
was
> > > AL's position
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > > >
> > > > My problem was your exclusion of ISI, the worst of the foreign
> > > > intelligence services in our area. To me that was not honesty.
> > > That
> > > > doesn't mean that I excluded the others. Especially how can I
> > > exclude
> > > > CIA who was involved in killing Bangabandhu and other top
> national
> > > > leaders and installing army backed nationalist force in
> > > Bangladesh? How
> > > > can I ignore CIA's direct and indirect contribution in return
> and
> > > > revival of war criminals in Bangladesh?
> > > >
> > > > If supporting lying and hypocrisy of people from Al Badr
> background
> > > are
> > > > part of your socio-cultural background, that I have noting to
> say.
> > > And
> > > > of course, you also can consider what these so-called pseudo-
> Islamic
> > > > leaders did in 1971 as very decent, but to me they are just
> > > savages.
> > > > You live with your views and I have nothing to say.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards.
> > > >
> > > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar.
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> > > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not understand how you deduced that I read only right-
> wing
> > > > > Bangladeshi newspapers? I have not quoted from any
newspaper
> or
> > > > > mentioned any piece of news. I have presented my own
analysis
> of
> > > > > some facts. If you have any difference of opinion about any
> > > specific
> > > > > point, please mention it. I also do not understand why you
are
> > > > > defending RAW, MOSAD and CIA. Other intelligence agencies
> might
> > > also
> > > > > be interested in BD politics. If you have any analysis
about
> it,
> > > > > please mention it with reasons. If you think that RAW,
MOSAD
> and
> > > CIA
> > > > > has no interest in BD politics, please also provide your
logic
> > > behind
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Decency and indecency varies from person to person and has
> > > relation
> > > > > with the socio-cultural background of someone. If you think
> that
> > > > > CEC's remarks on some Islamic parties were decent, then it
is
> your
> > > > > view and I have nothing to say.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > May be you are only reading the right-wing Bangladeshi
> > > newpapers.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > you read the other papers, you will find more
conspiracies.
> You
> > > > > will
> > > > > > find many who consider this current CTG as Jamaat's B
team.
> This
> > > > > CTG
> > > > > > has been extraordinarily soft on Jamaat and other
religious
> > > > > fanatics and
> > > > > > extremists. Look at the joke and circus regarding Al Badr
> co-
> > > chief
> > > > > > Mujahid's arrest. While people like you always smell RAW,
> MOSSAD
> > > > > and
> > > > > > CIA conspiracies, there are lot more people who smell
CIA,
> ISI
> > > and
> > > > > > Wahabi conspiracies. It goes both ways.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your article in Naya Diganta presents only right-wing view
> > > points
> > > > > and it
> > > > > > cannot be accepted as fair and balanced piece. ISI is one
> of the
> > > > > top
> > > > > > players in Indian subcontinent. They are behind many
> subversive
> > > > > acts.
> > > > > > They created Talibans and hence aided Al Qaeda. To leave
> them
> > > out
> > > > > from
> > > > > > your equation strongly suggest, you are pushing right-wing
> > > agenda.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > mentioned in your article that since BNP's leadership is
> trying
> > > to
> > > > > > negotiate with CTG, they didn't protest CEC's very
indecent
> > > > > > comments on the pseudo-Islamic partners of BNP. May be
you
> can
> > > > > teach us
> > > > > > what kind of decent words the CEC should have used for
their
> > > > > outright
> > > > > > lies. Let me make another very indecent and rude comment
> about
> > > > > these
> > > > > > mullahs - these mullahs actively and enthusiastically
> > > participated
> > > > > in
> > > > > > all sorts of heinous war crimes in 1971. Regards-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> > > > > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Alochok Ezajur,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is good to know that there are enlightened and
powerful
> > > elites
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > welcome conspiracies against their motherland apparently
> > > because,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “You can’t ensure clean candidates for the
> > election.
> > > > > > > You can’t ensure there won’t be any rioting or
> > > > deaths at
> > > > > > the election.
> > > > > > > You can’t ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > > You can’t ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > > You can’t ensure that kickbacks from government
> > contracts
> > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > > You can’t ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > > > politicians.
> > > > > > > You can’t ensure that politicians will refrain from
> > rabble
> > > > > > rousing.
> > > > > > > You can’t ensure that MPs won’t financially
> > benefit
> > > > from
> > > > > > crooked
> > > > > > > manpower agents.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can Indians ensure the above-mentioned checklist? If
they
> are
> > > > > happy
> > > > > > > with their spoiled democracy, then why aren’t we?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How logical is it to welcome military rule or foreign
> > > intervention
> > > > > > > because democracy has not yet got sufficient time to
> > > flourish? Who
> > > > > > > ruled the country most of the time after its
independence,
> > > > > democratic
> > > > > > > forces or military rulers with or without uniform?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The notion that Americans and others can buy anything
they
> > > want
> > > > > seems
> > > > > > > to be an oversimplified assumption. If it were true,
then
> the
> > > > > world
> > > > > > > would not have so many wars and troubles. Moreover,
> sometimes
> > > > > buying
> > > > > > > things might involve very high value. The more we
welcome
> > > > > > > conspiracies, the more we become ready to sell
ourselves
> (not
> > > > > > > personal, saying in general).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Ezajur Rahman"
> > > ezajur.rahman@
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Alcohok Ahsan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is indeed very well written. But I am not remotely
> > > bothered
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > conspiracies.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In fact I welcome them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure there won't be any rioting or deaths
> at the
> > > > > > > election.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure that kickbacks from government
> contracts
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > > politicians.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure that politicians will refrain from
> rabble
> > > > > rousing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure that MPs won't financially benefit
from
> > > crooked
> > > > > > > > manpower agents.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't ensure jack****.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But let's talk about how to stop foreign
conspiracies!
> Woah!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bhai -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It takes 3 ISI agents only to manage Pakistan's
> interests
> > > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It takes 2 RAW agents only to manage India's
interests
> in
> > > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And it is just a wet dream that the Americans, Brits,
> > > Chinese
> > > > > etc
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > working hard to subvert the elections.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why should they even bother? They can buy anything
they
> > > want...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The common masses cannot do anything until the common
> > > masses can
> > > > > > > > successfully demand real change in our politics.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh is the
> perpetuation of
> > > > > family
> > > > > > > > politics by mid level AL and BNP supporters who just
> love to
> > > > > pretend
> > > > > > > > they are very flexible, agenda free, reasonable
people.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any conspiracy that undermines the election of Hasina
> and
> > > > > Khaleda
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > undermines the baboons of the AL and BNP central
> committees
> > > is
> > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me know where I can make a donation...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We can't build a boat to carry 200 people safely in
2008
> > > but we
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > kicked the 5th Fleet back to the USA back in 1971
> didn't we!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nothing personal Ahsan - your piece was excellently
> > > written. I'm
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > ranting...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kuwait
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> > > > > > > > Dear Ahsan Mohammad vai
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Very well written analysis. Though there is no way of
> > > knowing
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > that such incidents will take place, but many
> indications
> > > are
> > > > > > > pointing
> > > > > > > > towards that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What can we, the common mass, do?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:27 AM, alochona@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For a Better Bangladesh
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> > > > > > > > Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:13 pm (PDT)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Members,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Although the Chief Advisor and other members of the
> interim
> > > > > > > government
> > > > > > > > are trying to ensure through their speeches that the
> general
> > > > > > > election
> > > > > > > > will be held in December 2008 and power will be
handed
> over
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > elected representatives of people, doubts and fears
are
> > > > > spreading
> > > > > > > due to
> > > > > > > > some activities of the ruling quarter. I tried to
> analyse
> > > the
> > > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > > conspiracies and strategies of various players
involved
> in
> > > > > > > influencing
> > > > > > > > Bangladesh politics in my article published in Daily
> Naya
> > > > > Diganta
> > > > > > > and is
> > > > > > > > available at the following link:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2008/10/13/fullnews.asp?
> > > > > > > News_ID=108371&s
> > > > > > > > ec=6
> > > > > > > >
> <http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2008/10/13/fullnews.asp?
> > > > > > > News_ID=108371&
> > > > > > > > sec=6>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=336
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