Re: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim men on how to discipline their wives:

A 9th century fatwa in the 21st century context! Then again, these Saudi mullahs are stuck in the 9th century to begin with. It's sad and embarrassing that these people are the "Keeper of Mecca"!
 
Religion of all kinds are oppressive, whether to men or women. Religion is not God, and God is not the religion. Religion and the religious interpretations by the so-called scholars dictate what you must think and what you must do for your spiritual redemption.  If you want to connect to your maker and worship God, disregard the fascist and oppressive institutions of religion. God is omnipotent and omnipresent. If you pray to God, without the institution of religion, you will still receive redemption and rewards. Don't let narcissistic people with a god-complex tell you how you should serve all of god's children (yes, that includes women too). Free will, your will to disregard what is obscene and oppressive, is the greatest gift from God. Exercise it.
 
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From: Mohd. Haque <haquetm83@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: farida_majid@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:55:37 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim men on how to discipline their wives:

Firstly the bloggers of this piece always does it out of their hatred, neglect and obscure feelings towards this religion. If you consider yourself as Muslim you must testify the fundamentals of this belief. I would assume you fairly know all of those fundamentals. One of this is believing in Quran, authored by the supreme power and the creators. Being a Muslim you can not doubt its contents but you can always ask for clarifications and acquire more knowledge on the subject for better understanding. I can understand many of you (sometime that includes myself) getting sway by the popular propaganda or historical utterances on many issues including the 'woman' issue in Islam. Before I make my clarification with my humble knowledge let me mention that tens of thousand of woman becoming Muslims in America . Hispanic, native, other European origin background every year; why mostly woman!   You were naïve(?) enough to attach the translation, reading it did not produce much in support of your antagonism. 'Beating with a tooth pick, do not leave a scare, do not use the face' and so on. While the verse in Sura Nisa mainly interpreted as 'you can smack your wife'. A lady in America (the first lady translator of Quran) interpreted it different way, you should always look for authentic interpretations and Quran is open for interpretations and by any knowledgeable person.   Omar Ibn Khattab found out that woman from Medina answers back to their husband, unlike woman from Makkah, he went to Hafsa his daughter (Prophet's wife) do you answer back to prophet ?, to his surprise she even said we often boycott Him (PBUH) from morning till night'. He rushed to Prophet and asked the question, prophet (PBUH) just smiled while he was seated on a mattress made of palm leaves that leave scars on body after sleep and Omar was shocked to see that the room has nothing but four walls only. These woman from Medina took part in many battles and lead their family with their strong physic and personality, yet, maintained harmony in the family and society often with great contribution to mankind. Omar (the Amirul Muminin) ask her daughter (Hafsa) not to answer back to prophet and so on.   Prophet (PBUH) never beat any of His wives, he simply stayed away for a while and there are few hadiths that is so clear on the woman rights and respect not in the family but in the society as well. Islam allowed and showed the way how a woman can divorce her husband when todays American constitution or British rules were not in making.  If you disagree with any of these, no one would run after you, if you still think Islam is bad for woman, you may think so, but as a human being do not try to preach hatred without researching through the scriptural details and prophetic traditions. Primarily you should weigh the option how to better the human lives irrespective of their belief. I have wife and two daughters, I am proud to think how my religion sanctioned them dignity and values. Millions of woman back home are in dire need to rescue their families and upbring their children. Their downgrade and despair not sourcing from their religion, it is politics, the bad and cruel politics, Being a woman I would urge you to think of them, how, you can be to their side, rather try to lead them, but before, you need to take off the hat of hatred. Saudis have their own problems but that can not be related with Islam and its egalitarian values. --- On Thu, 6/11/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal. net> wrote: From: S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal. net> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim men on how to discipline their wives: To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, 6 November, 2008, 2:46 AM If no reform in Islam takes place, our coming generation in the Western countries would start feeling ashamed of being Moslim. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com> wrote:     Yet another violation of rights of women due to ignorance of the very precepts of the Holy Qur'an that attempt to restore women their rights as Allah's 'best creation'.      It comes from the Land of Jahiliya, otherwise known as the KINGDOM of Saudi Arabia.      Mired in jahiliya they cannot even sense the unintended humor!   [Consider this: In the rest of the world, it is people who are named after the name of the land of their origin (or 'asli' in Arbi) -- thus people from Germany are called Germans, people from China are called Chinese, people from Bengal or Bangla are called Bengali or Bangali, etc. Where in the modern world is a country that is named after the personal name of a family?]                Farida Majid Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:29:59 -0400 Subject: "Beat her like a Lady" :: Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim men on how to discipline their wives: Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim young men on how to beat their wives BEAT HER  LIKE A LADY From a television program aired last year in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait during which cleric Muhammad al-'Arifi advised young men on how to discipline their wives.  Translated from the Arabic by the Washington-based Middle East Media Research Institute. http://www.memritv. org/clip/ en/1594.htm   "Men beat women more often than women beat men. Allah created women delicate, fragile, supple, and soft because they use their emotions more than they use their bodies. While a man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. For men, women's emotions may be fiercer than the strike of a sword.   "Before you beat a woman, first admonish her—once, twice, three times, four times, or ten. If this doesn't help, you must turn to the teaching "refuse to share their beds." Thus, a husband distances himself from his wife in bed and in conversation. If a husband comes to eat a meal and his wife asks him, "How are you? Do you want anything?" he must not answer. The husband should not sleep with his wife. He should sleep in another room.   "If this does not help, then the husband's third option is to beat his wife lightly so it will not leave a mark. He must not make her face ugly. Beating in the face is forbidden.. Even if you want your camel or donkey to walk faster, you are not allowed to beat it in the face. If this is true for animals, it is all the more true for humans. If a man is angry with his wife—if he says to her, "Watch out, the child has fallen next to the stove," and she says, "I'm busy"—then the husband should beat his wife with a toothpick or something like it. He should not beat her with a bottle of water, a plate, or a knife. Notice how gentle the toothpick used for beating is—this shows you that the purpose is not to inflict pain. When you beat an animal, you intend to cause it pain so that it will obey you, because a camel would not understand if you said, "Camel, come on, start moving." A donkey understands nothing but beatings, but to a wife, a light beating conveys,  "Woman, you have gone too far."   "A husband should not beat his wife like he would a child, slapping it right and left. Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get angry, and when they start the beating, they use both hands and sometimes their feet, as if they are punching a wall. Remember, brother, this is forbidden; your wife is a human being. Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. Learn Now

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