Attn: Musasarkar
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Can you please tell us more, about objectionable/ unacceptable/ controversial.... writings of Moududi.
Thanks.
Khoda hafez.
dr. maqsud omar
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: m_musa92870@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:39:24 +0000
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
>
>
> Mr. Omar,
>
> The question is not whether Moududi was one of the most educated Islamic
> scholars of modern time or not. The question is whether you accept
> Moududi's rejection and ridicule of the Prophet (SA) sahih hadith or
> not.
>
> "Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly against Holy Quran
> and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not accept that individual to be
> Islamic." - Mr. Mufassil Islam. Do you concur with Mr. Islam?
>
> Thanks
>
> Musa
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > attn: cyrus
> > -----------------
> >
> > Is it not sad, you have heard about Moududi, didnt read about him.
> > Please do read, and let us know your comments.
> >
> > Whatever we say, he is one of the most educated islamic scholar of
> modern time.
> >
> > best wishes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > From: thoughtocrat@...
> > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:54:53 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for clarifying that Mr. Sarkar. My knowldge of Moududi is
> limited, as I prefer not to read his writings. I have read enough about
> him, but not enough of his writings. Personally, I don't find his
> writings any different from Hitler's "Mein Kampf". Moududi's teachings
> are as vile as the nazi propaganda.
> >
> > C
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: musasarkar m_musa92870@...
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:00:26 PM
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since I received no reply to the question that I posed in this thread
> > from Mr. Mufassil Islam or any other alochoks, I have decided to
> answer
> > it myself. Some of the alochoks probably know the answer. The person
> > of interest in the following posting was Maulana Syed Abu Ala Moududi.
> > Mr. Mufassil Islam, do you accept his school of Islamic thought?
> > Eagerly waiting for your response.
> >
> > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@ ...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Mufassil Islam,
> > >
> > > You have said, "Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> > > against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not
> accept
> > > that individual to be Islamic." I heard it from many scholars
> (Sunni)
> > > in their lectures that to be a perfect
> > Muslim, you have to accept the
> > > Holy Qura'n and the sahih Hadiths (since in these hadiths the
> Prophet
> > > (SA) didn't say anything on his own) in your heart. We may not
> > > understand some, but we should not reject any.
> > >
> > > Now can you tell us who made the following remarks?
> > >
> > > "The Messenger of Allah (SA) used to think that the Dajjaal
> > > (Anti-Christ) would come out in his time, or close to his time.
> > However,
> > > 1350 years passed away and many long generations came and went, yet
> > the
> > > Dajjaal did not come out. So it is confirmed that what the Prophet
> > (SA)
> > > thought did not prove true!!"
> > >
> > > Later he added: "Indeed, 1350 years have passed…yet the Dajjaal
> > > has not come out, so this is the reality."
> > >
> > > (The above is a clear rejection of the emergence of the Dajjaal,
> whose
> > > emergence has been narrated concurrently in authentic
> > hadiths.)
> > >
> > > And He further said: "It is confirmed that everything which is
> > > related in the hadith of the Prophet (SA) concerning the Dajjaal is
> > the
> > > opinion and analogical deduction of the Prophet (SA), and it is a
> > > doubtful misgiving from his affair."
> > >
> > > So is this not a rejection of the Dajjaal? Is this not a denial of
> the
> > > narration of the Messenger (SA), about which Allah said:
> > >
> > > "And he does not speak from his own desire. It is revelation
> > > inspired to him." (Sura Najm 53:3-4)
> > >
> > >
> > > Furthermore, that person had the arrogance to make audacious remark
> > > about the Prophet (SA):
> > >
> > > "Allah the Glorified commanded him (the Prophet) in Sura Nasr to
> > > repent to his Lord due to what emanated from him in deficiencies and
> > > shortcomings in distributing the deen."
> > >
> > > What do you think about that person? Do you now know who
> > that person
> > > was?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, mufassil islam mufassili@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cyrus..
> > > >
> > > > I am used to this type of forgone conclusions. My understanding of
> > > Islam does not require drumming up. I come from a family of hundreds
> > of
> > > years of Sufism and my direct forefathers have a lineage of Sufy
> > > thinkers which are well known in Bangladesh. I am the direct
> > generation
> > > of Soleman Shah Fakir of Baltoli, Murad Nagar, Comilla (ask any
> > > Bangladeshi from the region) where millions of sufi fakirs - lalon
> > > vaktas gather every year. This trend is followed by Urs of my
> > > grandfather' s majar at Araihazar as well. I have had my
> > fair share of
> > > learning in Sufism, Marefater gopon kotha, Gajjali and so on. Let me
> > ask
> > > you a straight question and do please answer honestly - no pretext
> > > please. And do let the readers know as well. Do you know the meaning
> > of
> > > the word 'Sufism' and the etymology of this word? Please don't check
> > and
> > > tell me that you know it even though I wish you to know about it. It
> > > seems the word Sufism is being abused without a bridle in Islam now
> a
> > > days. Some people have even gone too far to give up salah in the
> name
> > of
> > > Sufi Islam. I request you to study the history of Khelafat Andolon
> and
> > > also the history of Dudu Miah in our part of the world. Bukhari
> Sharif
> > > talks about Fanah Fillah as the highest Sakin stage of Shariah where
> > > salah becomes only a part of all time ebadah in Islam - a momeen's
> > final
> > > stage. Muslim - Momeen and Ehsan. Yes brother in Islam, I
> > have no
> > > intentions to create any conflicts amongst Islamic idelologies and
> > > schools but I do accept Tablig efforts and Dawah efforts but I will
> > not
> > > agree with the fact of compromising basic Islamic beliefs in the
> name
> > of
> > > Islamic dicersity. Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> > > against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not
> accept
> > > that individual to be Islamic. As of my nature - I will never
> > compromise
> > > with irrationality and will not coil away. I you can counter logic -
> > > please do so. As to self-proclaimed 'Human Rights Advocate' issue.
> > Sir,
> > > this is not a title which can be sold and this is being used by some
> > of
> > > the so called experts in Bangladesh. I was the first individual who
> > had
> > > appeared with this title in major Bangladeshi and international
> > medias.
> > > I have had helped Christians, Muslism alike around the world
> > which
> > have
> > > had been widely publicised in major medias around the globe
> including
> > > BBC, Daily Star etc. I don't think you have had the chance to read
> > about
> > > me. I welcome you to spend a bit of your valuable time to read the
> > > Encyclopaedia about me online. You can kindly just type my name on
> > > google. I am not like Mr.Turkman who will throw abuses behind nick
> > names
> > > or from hideouts and secret locations. I have had studied in various
> > > Universities around the world and am a lawyer of international
> > standing
> > > and I had to work hard to lift this title. Nevertheless, I am always
> > > ready to accept any logic - not abuse by which you can prove me
> wrong.
> > > Please forward references as I always do in my letters.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Mufassil M M Islam
> > > > Human Rights Advocate
> > > > President and CEO
> > > > Law Offices of
> > Islam and Associates International
> > > > Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Australia, UK, Ireland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: alochona@: IndianJustice@ yahoogroups. com;
> > > reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com;
> dhakamails@:
> > > turkman@: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:49:59 -0800Subject: [ALOCHONA]
> > > Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom
> > Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bangladesh has a lot higher Literacy Rate than Pakistan if
> > a Mosque
> > > Imam can be 8th Grade pass. I watched on TV in USA, a Western
> > Journalist
> > > with a Translator in a Religious School (MuDrissaa) in Pakistan,
> > asking
> > > the Teacher, "What's 8 x 8 ?"The Teacher could not tell.Allaho Akbar
> > > ...! Pakistan ZinDaabaaD ...!--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Cyrus
> > > thoughtocrat@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Iqbal...I really enjoyed reading your response!!
> > > >
> > > > The self-proclaimed Human Rights Advocate, whose opinions show
> utter
> > > lack of knowledge of history, both Islamic as well as of other
> > > civilizations, and no realization that Lalon was a great Sufi
> mystic,
> > a
> > > criminalized and persecuted Muslim group. Sufiism is part of our
> > > history....it is a part of Islamic history, and must be protected at
> > all
> > > costs.
> > > >
> > > > "Blind uncultured mass"? Oh the audacity!
> > The only one blinded by
> > > ignorance disguised as "faith" is Mr. Mufassil Islam, who obviously
> > > doesn't understand much about Islam or its rich and diverse culture.
> I
> > > find it amusing and ironic that Mr. Islam's lacks any understanding
> of
> > > Islamic history and the Islamic philosphy. That's a thought!
> > > >
> > > > Anyways....keep writing Mr. Iqbal.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Cyrus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: ANWAR IQBAL Anwariqbal@yahoo. com>To: alochona@yahoogroup
> > > s.comSent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:32:26 PMSubject: RE:
> > [ALOCHONA]
> > > Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
> > Prothom
> > > Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Mufassil Islam;
> > > > At the end of this letter, I have pasted a copy of an article that
> > was
> > > sent to me by a friend
> > who lives in Germany . This is related to the
> > > subject of your conversation. Please review this and give us your
> > words
> > > of wisdom on that article.
> > > >
> > > > Beyond that, I would like to add some of my own thoughts on this.
> > > >
> > > > So called Islamic intellectuals with their bigotry, myopic visions
> > and
> > > immense disrespect to other civilizations and cultures have given
> > Islam
> > > and the Muslims a bad name today. Many of those intellectuals grew
> up
> > > receiving Islamic teachings from Class 8 pass mullahs. Some of them
> > > obviously obtained higher education beyond village Moktobs. That
> > > however, did not clear the brain washing they received during their
> > > childhood. These are the people who we find relentlessly trying to
> > force
> > > their version of Islam through our throats.
> > > >
> > > > View points expressed by intellectuals such as yourself strikes
> > me
> > to
> > > the fact that you all believe your perception is always superior to
> > that
> > > of the rest who hold a different opinion on the same subject matter.
> I
> > > do not know you and you surely do not know me. Therefore, in reading
> > my
> > > writing you can always blow me away as another idiot trying to sound
> > > smart. But in the case of Humayun Ahmed who is a PhD, an established
> > > author and a respected retired university teacher, how could you
> even
> > > think that you can surpass his intellectual abilities with yours?
> Why
> > > makes you think you know better than him? Yet better why do think
> you
> > > know better than anyone else. Your mindset suggests that all those
> > > people who are in favor of the statues are nothing but ignorant
> > morons.
> > > What makes you develop such disrespect for others around you? You
> are
> > > asking people to not to do something that other people want to do.
> And
> > >
> > in doing so they are not even harming anyone. This shows the general
> > > intolerance from people of your types to the rest who holds harmless
> > > opposing views. This is the root of all problems for the entire
> > > civilization today. This is the cause of all the wars (justified or
> > not)
> > > and this is the cause why there is the continuous tension between
> your
> > > type of Muslims and the rest of World.
> > > >
> > > > Let's go back to your mail; Egypt may not be a good (!) Islamic
> > > Country in your definition, but have you thought about the Holy land
> > of
> > > Saudi Arabia and how blindly we perform some acts in our religion
> that
> > > supports idolatry. Think about the ritual of stoning the "Iblis"
> > > during Hajj? Are those stone models of "Iblis" not idols in your
> > > definition? Do not forget that this ritual of stoning is a mere
> carry
> > > over of the traditional Hajj ritual celebrated in Mecca
> > prior to Islam
> > > when they worshiped the Statue of Allah inside the Harem Sharif.
> > > >
> > > > People like you keep people like us scared and makes us worried
> > about
> > > the future of our dear motherland. Not too long ago, Mullah Omar
> came
> > to
> > > power with Taliban in Afghanistan with your type of values and
> ideas.
> > > Besides other valuable relics and artifacts of immense historic
> > > importance, they destroyed 2000 years old statue of Buddha which is
> > not
> > > only a loss of History and tradition for the Afghans but also an
> > > irreparable loss for the whole mankind. In your letter, you said,
> > > "Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static", if you
> > > really feel that to be true, you and your types should move into the
> > > caves and "Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your
> > > intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols."
> > > >
> > > >
> > While reading your mail, I took a curious interest in your title
> > > "A human Rights Advocate". Based on the contents of your typical
> > > writings, I think you believe "your type of fundamentalist
> > > Muslims" is the only humans as you continuously advocate for them.
> > > Please do not forget there are other humans who follow the same
> > religion
> > > with a much open mind or of different cultures and some of different
> > > religions. I think you should separate yourself from those
> > > "inferior" humans and revise your title slightly to call
> > > yourself "A Mullah and a fundamentalist Muslim Human Rights
> > > Advocate."
> > > >
> > > > Anwar
> > > >
> > > > Lalon sculpture at Dhaka Airport : Demolition fanfare by the
> bigots
> > > ......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lalon src="http:// media1.somewhere inblog.net/ /images/thumbs/
> > > banglarjoy_ 1224248015_
> > 1-lalon_statue. jpg" width=400>The statues
> > being
> > > pulled down: Image credit BanglarChokh
> > > >
> > > > Mannequins in Macca
> > > >
> > > > This picture is from a store in a mall located within 100 yrds of
> > > Kabba Sharif. Many stores
> > > > in this mall displys different kinds of Mannequins to attract
> > customes
> > > to sell products, just
> > > > as you would see in any modern mall all over the world. [some even
> > > shows "naked"
> > > > female breasts to display bra & brief sets, similar to the
> picture:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have visited Macca lately, you must have noticed that space
> > > around Kabba at
> > > > Masjid-al-Haram is now sorrounded by world class 5-star hotels and
> a
> > > very large western
> > > > style shopping malls. Now when you walk out of the Al-haram, all
> you
> > > see is malls and big
> > > > hotels. Makkah is
> > supposed to be a place of spirituality, not
> > > materialism. Any kind of
> > > > spiritual benefit one gets from the Kaba gets easily lost the
> second
> > > he/she step out and
> > > > walk into these buildings. All you see is people eating, buying,
> > > selling, you totally don't
> > > > feel like you are in Mecca. Many people, go to Hajj taking it as
> if
> > it
> > > is some kind of
> > > > vacation area, people want the best hotel, the best food, drink,
> > > comfort etc. You must be
> > > > personally knowing Hajis who took advantages of cheaper gold in
> > Makka
> > > and Madina.
> > > > Masjid al-Haram in May 2007, Mecca [ see the high rise malls and
> > > hotels in the
> > > > background skyline] Have you ever seen the Jamaatis and bigots
> like
> > > Mufti Fazlul
> > > > Hoq Amini or Saikhul Hadis Ajijul Haq ever protesting these
> > > "un-Islamic" practices
> > > > in Macca [Saudi
> > arabia] ?
> > > >
> > > > The Lalon sculpture is very much consistent with the tradition and
> > > culture of
> > > > Bangladesh. If use of Mannequins can be approved in Macca Malls,
> why
> > > there is
> > > > so much fuss about the Lalon Sculpture at the Air Port? It is
> > another
> > > FACE of
> > > > POLITICAL ISLAM i.e the use of religion for political purposes
> !---
> > On
> > > Sun, 11/9/08, mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com> wrote:
> > > > From: mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com>Subject: RE:
> [ALOCHONA]
> > > Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
> > Prothom
> > > AloTo: alochona@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:05
> > AM
> > > > Again..the statutes are not representative of any modern art. This
> > is
> > > the most ancient form of art in human history which culminated from
> > idol
> > > worshipping pagan societies. We do not want people -
> > especially
> > naitives
> > > of a simple-minded society to be dragged into the vortex of
> justifying
> > > idolatry in any form or shape. The regime in Egypt is not any way
> > > Islamic and human rights record in suppressing democratic norms in
> > that
> > > country is appalling. The Islamic scholars of Bengal is way far
> wiser
> > > than many Arabs and exceptions do not make laws. When world is
> moving
> > > ahead in art and culture in various electronic medias - we are
> bogged
> > > down in static idolisation of so called great leaders. When Moses
> was
> > > away - the Bible and Quran (Exodus and Bakara) say that the
> followers
> > > started worshipping the Cow. Please read the context. Human nature
> > does
> > > not evolve with time. It is static. Be modern and seal all means of
> > > deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using
> > > dead idols. You idolise Greats in minds - not by building
> > statutes.
> > The
> > > right salute to them is to fight and strive for the cause they are
> > > respected for. You democratic modern people - let's suggest a final
> > > solution - democratically. Let's have a poll. I bet most of us will
> > > condemn this culture. Now will you condemn our blind uncultured
> mass?
> > > Well - that's democracy - mass rules - learn to live with it.
> Mufassil
> > > IslamHuman Rights Advocate
> > > >
> > > > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.comFrom: anwarshafqat@ hotmail.comDate:
> > Fri,
> > > 7 Nov 2008 08:40:34 +0000Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw:
> Misinterpretation
> > > of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I live in Cairo, the capital of an important Muslim country and
> > there
> > > are statues of many Egyptian personalities of the Islamic era in
> > various
> > > street junctions. The same I have seen in Malaysia where statues of
> > the
> > >
> > national personalitiesare erected in various places. I do not think
> > that
> > > a close minded conservative approach will take us anywhere ! The
> world
> > > is moving ahead whereas we are thinking backwards. The sermons of
> ill
> > > informed and almost uneducated religious preachers cannot be the
> > > yardstick of judging what is right or wrong in a modern 21st century
> > > society. Regards,Shafqat
> > > >
> > > > To: abdurrazzaq1949@ hotmail.com; hgas@northsouth. eduFrom:
> > > sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:56:04
> > > -0700Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun
> > Ahmad
> > > in his column in Prothom Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear members,
> > > >
> > > > Assalamu Alaikum A question has been sent to me to give my opinion
> > on
> > > the one -column article
> > of Humayun Ahmad, a well-known novelist of
> > > Bangladesh I feel that Humayun ahmad sahib has done injustice to
> > Islam,
> > > Muslim and himself.My points are as follows:-( Those who know Bangla
> > can
> > > read the attached articlein Bangla.Those who do not know, there is
> no
> > > problem as I have taken his point of view in my submissions )
> > > >
> > > > !.He says that some madrasah student shouted and government backed
> > > down on statue issue and removed the under-constuction statue of a
> > > famous poet and Baul Lalon Shah.This is not true that a few Madrasah
> > > students protested..Al leasr 50 million Muslims in two hundred
> > thousand
> > > masjids heard Khutba ( speech of Imam) of prayer leader in Juma
> > > congregation on last friday condeming statue making.
> > > >
> > > > As against that I have seen human chains, one of 25 people and
> > another
> > > of 15 teachers, may be there were a few
> > others.It clearly reflects
> > > public opinion.
> > > >
> > > > 2.He has tried to justify staue making and honoring them in the
> name
> > > of Islam.He says that Prophet (sm) did not erase the picture of
> Maryam
> > > from the wall of Kaba when he destroyed other idols of kabah..Is it
> > any
> > > justification for statue makinf or placing them in public places for
> > > reminding heritage?.At the most it can be said that the Prophet
> > honored
> > > the existing picture of the mother of Isa (AS)and it will not be
> > proper
> > > for Muslims to break statues existing before the advent of Islam of
> > > religious personages.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Ahmad has said from Bukhari that Ayesha used to play with dolls
> > and
> > > Prophet (sm ) did not stop her.It at the most proves that small
> dolls
> > > are permissible for children as Imam Shawkani and Dr Qaradawi have
> > said(
> > > Al Halal wal Haram Fil Islam by Dr
> > Qaradawi) It does not prove that
> > > statue making and honoring them are permissible.
> > > > He failed to mention numerous Hadith in Bukhari and other Hadith
> > books
> > > which say that those who make statue are cursed and will not enter
> > > Jannah.
> > > > 3.We do not know whether there are half statues of three poets and
> > > saints in Iran.However we know that all statues of Shah of Iran were
> > > destroyed by the people after his fall and nostatue was made of Imam
> > > Khomeni.
> > > > Even if some statues are there, these are violations.We should
> take
> > > notice that there is no statue our Prophet, or Sahabi or khalifas of
> > > Rashidun or Abbasid or Umayyad period, not even of Moghul rulers or
> > > Sultans of Bengal.
> > > > 4.About Greek statue in Libiya it is also of Pre-Islamic period ,
> > may
> > > be it was not broken for some reasons but the Libiyans did not erect
> > new
> > >
> > statues.
> > > > 5 About destruction of Buddha statue in Afganistan , Al-Azhar, OIC
> > > ,Qaradawi condemned the destruction of this old pre-islamic statue
> of
> > > Buddha. This does not mean that Islam likes statues and we should
> > start
> > > making statues of our leaders, Imams and Sahabis and Khalifas and
> > place
> > > them in public places.
> > > >
> > > > 6.Mr Humayun Ahmad's piece is an emotional and one-sided and
> surely
> > > mis-interpretation of Islam.
> > > >
> > > > Shah Abdul Hannan
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Omar
> > > > To: sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:27 PM
> > > > Subject: Article _Humaun Ahmed
> > > >
> > > > Dear Sir
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