Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism

Sir...you should re-read my email. I said that I have not read enough of his writings, but read enough about him. That means, I haven't read his writings directly. Instead I have read interpretations of his writings. You got it the other way around.

 

If you think that Moududi was "one of the most educated islamic scholar of modern times", then you and I have very different definitions of what is "modern", "educated", "Islamic", and "scholar". As I said, personally I don't find any difference between Moududi's writings and Mein Kampf. Perhaps you would find Mein Kampf scholarly as well. Moududi is as scholarly as my Adolf Hitler, as modern as the Ayatollahs, as educated as any orthodox ideologue, and as Islamic as any other fascists, war criminal in Jamaat. He was greatly influenced by the Islamic Brotherhood, whose teachings and activities are anything but Islamic or humane.

 

Cheers,

Cyrus

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From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:01:47 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism

attn: cyrus
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Is it not sad, you have heard about Moududi, didnt read about him.
Please do read, and let us know your comments.

Whatever we say, he is one of the most educated islamic scholar of modern time.

best wishes..

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To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:54:53 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism

Thanks for clarifying that Mr. Sarkar. My knowldge of Moududi is limited, as I prefer not to read his writings. I have read enough about him, but not enough of his writings. Personally, I don't find his writings any different from Hitler's "Mein Kampf". Moududi's teachings are as vile as the nazi propaganda.

 

C

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From: musasarkar <m_musa92870@ yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:00:26 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism

Since I received no reply to the question that I posed in this thread
from Mr. Mufassil Islam or any other alochoks, I have decided to answer
it myself. Some of the alochoks probably know the answer. The person
of interest in the following posting was Maulana Syed Abu Ala Moududi.
Mr. Mufassil Islam, do you accept his school of Islamic thought?
Eagerly waiting for your response.

Mohammad Musa Sarkar

--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> Mr. Mufassil Islam,
>
> You have said, "Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not accept
> that individual to be Islamic." I heard it from many scholars (Sunni)
> in their lectures that to be a perfect Muslim, you have to accept the
> Holy Qura'n and the sahih Hadiths (since in these hadiths the Prophet
> (SA) didn't say anything on his own) in your heart. We may not
> understand some, but we should not reject any.
>
> Now can you tell us who made the following remarks?
>
> "The Messenger of Allah (SA) used to think that the Dajjaal
> (Anti-Christ) would come out in his time, or close to his time.
However,
> 1350 years passed away and many long generations came and went, yet
the
> Dajjaal did not come out. So it is confirmed that what the Prophet
(SA)
> thought did not prove true!!"
>
> Later he added: "Indeed, 1350 years have passed…yet the Dajjaal
> has not come out, so this is the reality."
>
> (The above is a clear rejection of the emergence of the Dajjaal, whose
> emergence has been narrated concurrently in authentic hadiths.)
>
> And He further said: "It is confirmed that everything which is
> related in the hadith of the Prophet (SA) concerning the Dajjaal is
the
> opinion and analogical deduction of the Prophet (SA), and it is a
> doubtful misgiving from his affair."
>
> So is this not a rejection of the Dajjaal? Is this not a denial of the
> narration of the Messenger (SA), about which Allah said:
>
> "And he does not speak from his own desire. It is revelation
> inspired to him." (Sura Najm 53:3-4)
>
>
> Furthermore, that person had the arrogance to make audacious remark
> about the Prophet (SA):
>
> "Allah the Glorified commanded him (the Prophet) in Sura Nasr to
> repent to his Lord due to what emanated from him in deficiencies and
> shortcomings in distributing the deen."
>
> What do you think about that person? Do you now know who that person
> was?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mohammad Musa Sarkar
>
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, mufassil islam mufassili@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Cyrus..
> >
> > I am used to this type of forgone conclusions. My understanding of
> Islam does not require drumming up. I come from a family of hundreds
of
> years of Sufism and my direct forefathers have a lineage of Sufy
> thinkers which are well known in Bangladesh. I am the direct
generation
> of Soleman Shah Fakir of Baltoli, Murad Nagar, Comilla (ask any
> Bangladeshi from the region) where millions of sufi fakirs - lalon
> vaktas gather every year. This trend is followed by Urs of my
> grandfather' s majar at Araihazar as well. I have had my fair share of
> learning in Sufism, Marefater gopon kotha, Gajjali and so on. Let me
ask
> you a straight question and do please answer honestly - no pretext
> please. And do let the readers know as well. Do you know the meaning
of
> the word 'Sufism' and the etymology of this word? Please don't check
and
> tell me that you know it even though I wish you to know about it. It
> seems the word Sufism is being abused without a bridle in Islam now a
> days. Some people have even gone too far to give up salah in the name
of
> Sufi Islam. I request you to study the history of Khelafat Andolon and
> also the history of Dudu Miah in our part of the world. Bukhari Sharif
> talks about Fanah Fillah as the highest Sakin stage of Shariah where
> salah becomes only a part of all time ebadah in Islam - a momeen's
final
> stage. Muslim - Momeen and Ehsan. Yes brother in Islam, I have no
> intentions to create any conflicts amongst Islamic idelologies and
> schools but I do accept Tablig efforts and Dawah efforts but I will
not
> agree with the fact of compromising basic Islamic beliefs in the name
of
> Islamic dicersity. Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not accept
> that individual to be Islamic. As of my nature - I will never
compromise
> with irrationality and will not coil away. I you can counter logic -
> please do so. As to self-proclaimed 'Human Rights Advocate' issue.
Sir,
> this is not a title which can be sold and this is being used by some
of
> the so called experts in Bangladesh. I was the first individual who
had
> appeared with this title in major Bangladeshi and international
medias.
> I have had helped Christians, Muslism alike around the world which
have
> had been widely publicised in major medias around the globe including
> BBC, Daily Star etc. I don't think you have had the chance to read
about
> me. I welcome you to spend a bit of your valuable time to read the
> Encyclopaedia about me online. You can kindly just type my name on
> google. I am not like Mr.Turkman who will throw abuses behind nick
names
> or from hideouts and secret locations. I have had studied in various
> Universities around the world and am a lawyer of international
standing
> and I had to work hard to lift this title. Nevertheless, I am always
> ready to accept any logic - not abuse by which you can prove me wrong.
> Please forward references as I always do in my letters.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mufassil M M Islam
> > Human Rights Advocate
> > President and CEO
> > Law Offices of Islam and Associates International
> > Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Australia, UK, Ireland
> >
> >
> >
> > To: alochona@: IndianJustice@ yahoogroups. com;
> reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com; dhakamails@:
> turkman@: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:49:59 -0800Subject: [ALOCHONA]
> Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom
Alo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bangladesh has a lot higher Literacy Rate than Pakistan if a Mosque
> Imam can be 8th Grade pass. I watched on TV in USA, a Western
Journalist
> with a Translator in a Religious School (MuDrissaa) in Pakistan,
asking
> the Teacher, "What's 8 x 8 ?"The Teacher could not tell.Allaho Akbar
> ...! Pakistan ZinDaabaaD ...!--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Cyrus
> thoughtocrat@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mr. Iqbal...I really enjoyed reading your response!!
> >
> > The self-proclaimed Human Rights Advocate, whose opinions show utter
> lack of knowledge of history, both Islamic as well as of other
> civilizations, and no realization that Lalon was a great Sufi mystic,
a
> criminalized and persecuted Muslim group. Sufiism is part of our
> history....it is a part of Islamic history, and must be protected at
all
> costs.
> >
> > "Blind uncultured mass"? Oh the audacity! The only one blinded by
> ignorance disguised as "faith" is Mr. Mufassil Islam, who obviously
> doesn't understand much about Islam or its rich and diverse culture. I
> find it amusing and ironic that Mr. Islam's lacks any understanding of
> Islamic history and the Islamic philosphy. That's a thought!
> >
> > Anyways....keep writing Mr. Iqbal.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Cyrus
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ANWAR IQBAL Anwariqbal@yahoo. com>To: alochona@yahoogroup
> s.comSent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:32:26 PMSubject: RE:
[ALOCHONA]
> Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
Prothom
> Alo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mr. Mufassil Islam;
> > At the end of this letter, I have pasted a copy of an article that
was
> sent to me by a friend who lives in Germany . This is related to the
> subject of your conversation. Please review this and give us your
words
> of wisdom on that article.
> >
> > Beyond that, I would like to add some of my own thoughts on this.
> >
> > So called Islamic intellectuals with their bigotry, myopic visions
and
> immense disrespect to other civilizations and cultures have given
Islam
> and the Muslims a bad name today. Many of those intellectuals grew up
> receiving Islamic teachings from Class 8 pass mullahs. Some of them
> obviously obtained higher education beyond village Moktobs. That
> however, did not clear the brain washing they received during their
> childhood. These are the people who we find relentlessly trying to
force
> their version of Islam through our throats.
> >
> > View points expressed by intellectuals such as yourself strikes me
to
> the fact that you all believe your perception is always superior to
that
> of the rest who hold a different opinion on the same subject matter. I
> do not know you and you surely do not know me. Therefore, in reading
my
> writing you can always blow me away as another idiot trying to sound
> smart. But in the case of Humayun Ahmed who is a PhD, an established
> author and a respected retired university teacher, how could you even
> think that you can surpass his intellectual abilities with yours? Why
> makes you think you know better than him? Yet better why do think you
> know better than anyone else. Your mindset suggests that all those
> people who are in favor of the statues are nothing but ignorant
morons.
> What makes you develop such disrespect for others around you? You are
> asking people to not to do something that other people want to do. And
> in doing so they are not even harming anyone. This shows the general
> intolerance from people of your types to the rest who holds harmless
> opposing views. This is the root of all problems for the entire
> civilization today. This is the cause of all the wars (justified or
not)
> and this is the cause why there is the continuous tension between your
> type of Muslims and the rest of World.
> >
> > Let's go back to your mail; Egypt may not be a good (!) Islamic
> Country in your definition, but have you thought about the Holy land
of
> Saudi Arabia and how blindly we perform some acts in our religion that
> supports idolatry. Think about the ritual of stoning the "Iblis"
> during Hajj? Are those stone models of "Iblis" not idols in your
> definition? Do not forget that this ritual of stoning is a mere carry
> over of the traditional Hajj ritual celebrated in Mecca prior to Islam
> when they worshiped the Statue of Allah inside the Harem Sharif.
> >
> > People like you keep people like us scared and makes us worried
about
> the future of our dear motherland. Not too long ago, Mullah Omar came
to
> power with Taliban in Afghanistan with your type of values and ideas.
> Besides other valuable relics and artifacts of immense historic
> importance, they destroyed 2000 years old statue of Buddha which is
not
> only a loss of History and tradition for the Afghans but also an
> irreparable loss for the whole mankind. In your letter, you said,
> "Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static", if you
> really feel that to be true, you and your types should move into the
> caves and "Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your
> intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols."
> >
> > While reading your mail, I took a curious interest in your title
> "A human Rights Advocate". Based on the contents of your typical
> writings, I think you believe "your type of fundamentalist
> Muslims" is the only humans as you continuously advocate for them.
> Please do not forget there are other humans who follow the same
religion
> with a much open mind or of different cultures and some of different
> religions. I think you should separate yourself from those
> "inferior" humans and revise your title slightly to call
> yourself "A Mullah and a fundamentalist Muslim Human Rights
> Advocate."
> >
> > Anwar
> >
> > Lalon sculpture at Dhaka Airport : Demolition fanfare by the bigots
> ......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lalon src="http:// media1.somewhere inblog.net/ /images/thumbs/
> banglarjoy_ 1224248015_ 1-lalon_statue. jpg" width=400>The statues
being
> pulled down: Image credit BanglarChokh
> >
> > Mannequins in Macca
> >
> > This picture is from a store in a mall located within 100 yrds of
> Kabba Sharif. Many stores
> > in this mall displys different kinds of Mannequins to attract
customes
> to sell products, just
> > as you would see in any modern mall all over the world. [some even
> shows "naked"
> > female breasts to display bra & brief sets, similar to the picture:
> >
> >
> > If you have visited Macca lately, you must have noticed that space
> around Kabba at
> > Masjid-al-Haram is now sorrounded by world class 5-star hotels and a
> very large western
> > style shopping malls. Now when you walk out of the Al-haram, all you
> see is malls and big
> > hotels. Makkah is supposed to be a place of spirituality, not
> materialism. Any kind of
> > spiritual benefit one gets from the Kaba gets easily lost the second
> he/she step out and
> > walk into these buildings. All you see is people eating, buying,
> selling, you totally don't
> > feel like you are in Mecca. Many people, go to Hajj taking it as if
it
> is some kind of
> > vacation area, people want the best hotel, the best food, drink,
> comfort etc. You must be
> > personally knowing Hajis who took advantages of cheaper gold in
Makka
> and Madina.
> > Masjid al-Haram in May 2007, Mecca [ see the high rise malls and
> hotels in the
> > background skyline] Have you ever seen the Jamaatis and bigots like
> Mufti Fazlul
> > Hoq Amini or Saikhul Hadis Ajijul Haq ever protesting these
> "un-Islamic" practices
> > in Macca [Saudi arabia] ?
> >
> > The Lalon sculpture is very much consistent with the tradition and
> culture of
> > Bangladesh. If use of Mannequins can be approved in Macca Malls, why
> there is
> > so much fuss about the Lalon Sculpture at the Air Port? It is
another
> FACE of
> > POLITICAL ISLAM i.e the use of religion for political purposes !---
On
> Sun, 11/9/08, mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com> wrote:
> > From: mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com>Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA]
> Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
Prothom
> AloTo: alochona@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:05
AM
> > Again..the statutes are not representative of any modern art. This
is
> the most ancient form of art in human history which culminated from
idol
> worshipping pagan societies. We do not want people - especially
naitives
> of a simple-minded society to be dragged into the vortex of justifying
> idolatry in any form or shape. The regime in Egypt is not any way
> Islamic and human rights record in suppressing democratic norms in
that
> country is appalling. The Islamic scholars of Bengal is way far wiser
> than many Arabs and exceptions do not make laws. When world is moving
> ahead in art and culture in various electronic medias - we are bogged
> down in static idolisation of so called great leaders. When Moses was
> away - the Bible and Quran (Exodus and Bakara) say that the followers
> started worshipping the Cow. Please read the context. Human nature
does
> not evolve with time. It is static. Be modern and seal all means of
> deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using
> dead idols. You idolise Greats in minds - not by building statutes.
The
> right salute to them is to fight and strive for the cause they are
> respected for. You democratic modern people - let's suggest a final
> solution - democratically. Let's have a poll. I bet most of us will
> condemn this culture. Now will you condemn our blind uncultured mass?
> Well - that's democracy - mass rules - learn to live with it. Mufassil
> IslamHuman Rights Advocate
> >
> > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.comFrom: anwarshafqat@ hotmail.comDate:
Fri,
> 7 Nov 2008 08:40:34 +0000Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation
> of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo
> >
> >
> > I live in Cairo, the capital of an important Muslim country and
there
> are statues of many Egyptian personalities of the Islamic era in
various
> street junctions. The same I have seen in Malaysia where statues of
the
> national personalitiesare erected in various places. I do not think
that
> a close minded conservative approach will take us anywhere ! The world
> is moving ahead whereas we are thinking backwards. The sermons of ill
> informed and almost uneducated religious preachers cannot be the
> yardstick of judging what is right or wrong in a modern 21st century
> society. Regards,Shafqat
> >
> > To: abdurrazzaq1949@ hotmail.com; hgas@northsouth. eduFrom:
> sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:56:04
> -0700Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun
Ahmad
> in his column in Prothom Alo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members,
> >
> > Assalamu Alaikum A question has been sent to me to give my opinion
on
> the one -column article of Humayun Ahmad, a well-known novelist of
> Bangladesh I feel that Humayun ahmad sahib has done injustice to
Islam,
> Muslim and himself.My points are as follows:-( Those who know Bangla
can
> read the attached articlein Bangla.Those who do not know, there is no
> problem as I have taken his point of view in my submissions )
> >
> > !.He says that some madrasah student shouted and government backed
> down on statue issue and removed the under-constuction statue of a
> famous poet and Baul Lalon Shah.This is not true that a few Madrasah
> students protested..Al leasr 50 million Muslims in two hundred
thousand
> masjids heard Khutba ( speech of Imam) of prayer leader in Juma
> congregation on last friday condeming statue making.
> >
> > As against that I have seen human chains, one of 25 people and
another
> of 15 teachers, may be there were a few others.It clearly reflects
> public opinion.
> >
> > 2.He has tried to justify staue making and honoring them in the name
> of Islam.He says that Prophet (sm) did not erase the picture of Maryam
> from the wall of Kaba when he destroyed other idols of kabah..Is it
any
> justification for statue makinf or placing them in public places for
> reminding heritage?.At the most it can be said that the Prophet
honored
> the existing picture of the mother of Isa (AS)and it will not be
proper
> for Muslims to break statues existing before the advent of Islam of
> religious personages.
> >
> > Mr Ahmad has said from Bukhari that Ayesha used to play with dolls
and
> Prophet (sm ) did not stop her.It at the most proves that small dolls
> are permissible for children as Imam Shawkani and Dr Qaradawi have
said(
> Al Halal wal Haram Fil Islam by Dr Qaradawi) It does not prove that
> statue making and honoring them are permissible.
> > He failed to mention numerous Hadith in Bukhari and other Hadith
books
> which say that those who make statue are cursed and will not enter
> Jannah.
> > 3.We do not know whether there are half statues of three poets and
> saints in Iran.However we know that all statues of Shah of Iran were
> destroyed by the people after his fall and nostatue was made of Imam
> Khomeni.
> > Even if some statues are there, these are violations.We should take
> notice that there is no statue our Prophet, or Sahabi or khalifas of
> Rashidun or Abbasid or Umayyad period, not even of Moghul rulers or
> Sultans of Bengal.
> > 4.About Greek statue in Libiya it is also of Pre-Islamic period ,
may
> be it was not broken for some reasons but the Libiyans did not erect
new
> statues.
> > 5 About destruction of Buddha statue in Afganistan , Al-Azhar, OIC
> ,Qaradawi condemned the destruction of this old pre-islamic statue of
> Buddha. This does not mean that Islam likes statues and we should
start
> making statues of our leaders, Imams and Sahabis and Khalifas and
place
> them in public places.
> >
> > 6.Mr Humayun Ahmad's piece is an emotional and one-sided and surely
> mis-interpretation of Islam.
> >
> > Shah Abdul Hannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Omar
> > To: sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:27 PM
> > Subject: Article _Humaun Ahmed
> >
> > Dear Sir
> > Assalamu Alaikum.
> >
> > I am sharing with you a bangla article of Humaun Ahmed published in
> the Prothom Alo on 27.10.08. What is your comment on this?
> >
> > Omar bissas.
> >
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