[ALOCHONA] FW: ALOCHONA Advice to BNP and AL Govt in Bangladesh

My dear Robin

Point taken, no offence taken, was no long speech, nothing personal of course and thank you.

The subject of an alternative to Khaleda and others in BNP is of course relevant. Mahathirji represents all that is wrong with BNP.

The happenings, good and bad, at AL do not change these facts.

And hence I seek to engage him meaningfully but, as you point out, I quickly degenerate. I will try to do better. It's not easy!

I completely agree with you about giving this government a chance and I have never written anything against this notion.

I also trust the good judgement of our people. However they are limited by the choices put before them. It is a serious limitation.

This is why the CTG, with a lot of silent support, intervened.

People are loyal to their party, BNP or AL. This loyalty gets abused as justification. It is parties that need to reform, not voters.

The people are actually NOT empowered when they have to choose between unreformed AL and unreformed BNP.

Let me know which educated degreed thief I am enamoured with and lobby for – and I will of course correct myself.

Something like what you suggest is happening in Bangladesh. It can be alluded to, at least partly, as the growth of the independent voter.

Thanks again for the friendly reminder that this should be a quality forum.

Any advice from you, or any other learned friend, on how to argue against someone who believes Tariq is the future of BNP is most welcome.

It's the same thing night on night,
Who's wrong baby who's right
Another fight and I slam the door
Another battle in our dirty little war
When I look at myself I don't see
The man I wanted to be
Somewhere along the line I slipped off track
I'm caught movin' one step up and two steps back.

Bruce Springsteen

Best wishes to you and all Alochoks trapped by a frustrated love for a beautiful country.

Ezajur Rahman

Kuwait

 

 

Dear Mr. Ejajzur Rahman & the "Would Be Mahathir" from Bangladesh

Could you please have this conversation off line. This is has degenerated to an urinating contest. Like who can  do it longer and further. I dont think anyone really cares except those with a lot of time to waste and have a prurient interest in kinkiness.

I dont mean to offend you both but felt compelled to plain speak as there is nothing of substance being discussed here. The people of Bangladesh have spoken. There is an elected govt. Let us give them atleast 6 months and it will be crystal clear whether this lot is any better than all the previous wonders that have ruled us. Trust me on this!

As for me I am hopeful and I trust the good judgement of our ordinary unlettered people as opposed to the educated/degreed thieves & "Poch Pach Wallas" that both of you to some degree are so unfortunately enamored with & whose names you throw around for this position or the other.

If the people  keep their wits about them which I am sure they will, this Govt will be thrown on their behinds if they screw up. With couple of such kicks through regular elections and the democratic process the political/bureaucratic/Gulshan_Bannani class will clue in very quickly that they need to perform and deliver. To use a crude American expression, "Money Talks, Bullshit Walks"

You just have to look in our neighbor India (I know this makes the "Would be Mahathir" & some other Talking Heads on Alochona develop a rash of boils in their collective buttocks when they hear the word India) anti-incumbency has taken deep roots in the psyche of the masses. The BJP was thrown out of three important states where it held power because they did not deliver this last December. And this happened despite the genocidal Modi trying whip up anti muslim fervor in the wake of the Bombay attacks. I think something similar is happening in Bangladesh and so lets us all keep calm and watch.

Sorry for the long speech and it is nothing personal to either of you gentlemen!

Robin Khundkar

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ezajur
Sent: Jan 19, 2009 9:44 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [reform-bd] Advice to BNP and AL Govt in Bangladesh

Well as Khaleda is more educated than you I can see why you think she
is the best possible candidate to lead BNP.

I said Badrudozza is better than Khaleda.

And if he's no good we should look for someone else - but you don't
want to look.

Because you are a chamcha of Tareq.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, mahathir of bd
<wouldbemahathirofbd@...> wrote:
>
> Still you could not name your vasur who is more credible than
Khaleda.
>
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>
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> মন্ত্রীসভায় বেয়াই র
াজাকার। এ লজ্জা কার?
হাসিনার,একে খোন্দকারের না
সেক্টর কমান্ডার ফোরামের?
>
> --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@...> wrote:
>
> From: Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@...>
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [reform-bd] Advice to BNP and AL Govt in
Bangladesh
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:44 AM
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> You don’t really set high standards for BNP do you? But then you
aren’t a real democrat really.
>  
> Badrudozza was a viable option but the party apparatus (including
you) put an end to him.
> Don’t say innocently that there are no alternatives â€" you
don’t want alternatives.
>  
> Khaleda has no credibility based on her cabinet selection. End of
story.
>  
> You want Tareq only because you will go to him and ask for your
reward.  Thank God he got kicked out of Bangladesh .
> Why must he be actively involved? Why do you need him? What has he
got that others don’t have?
>  
> Don’t play that old trick of using the electorate as an excuse.
People are bothered by corruption.
> It’s just that the parties deliberately present the electorate
with only bad choices.
>  
> Family politics is the problem. You are just trying to be clever
but you forget where you are writing.
> Save such talk for your BNP meetings where you have chamchas and
ignoramuses only.
> People are loyal to their party. It is the party that needs to
change â€" not the people.
> Darn subidhabadhi arguments you give aren’t worth anything.
>  
> Delwar and Hanan wrecked BNP in the last two years. All you got
from them was Khaleda back in charge (maybe!)
> They ensured that the party was ill prepared for the elections.
They ensured that many independent voters turned away from BNP.
> They ensured that many middle class BNP voters didn’t bother to
vote. They ensured that BNP giants fell into the gutter or just
walked away.
> Don’t pretend to be broadminded by talking about their
‘limitations’. Such a great party deserves better leaders. You
know it.
>  
> You just can’t admit it.
>  
> And you won’t talk about BNP soon because you didn’t talk about
BNP in the last 3 years. Grow up and bring some real meat to the
table.
>  
> You are the first guy to fly to Europe in 2030 to try and get
Tareq’s daughter to lead BNP.
> You are living proof of why bad men who wrongly think they are
getting rid of dictators think they must also get rid of the whole
family.
>  
> Look at you! Defending low standards in the party of Ziaur Rahman!
> You probably thought SQ Chowdhury was a good choice for GS of the
OIC right?
>  
> You don’t like the so called reformists but you have no problem
with Falu, Mirza Abbas, Babar and the other dogs.
>  
> Face it. You prefer Khaleda to Zia. And if Zia were here today
he’d give his wife and sons â€" and you â€" a tight slap and send
you to your bedrooms.
>  
> Ezajur Rahman
> Kuwait
>  
>  
>  
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> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, ezajur <ezajur.rahman@ ...> wrote:
> From: ezajur <ezajur.rahman@ ...>
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [reform-bd] Advice to BNP and AL Govt in
Bangladesh
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 3:13 AM
> Dear Mahathir
>
> This is not argument - it is diversion.
>
> Why do you think there is no one more credible in BNP than Khaleda?!
>  As there is none, hence i think so. Failing of Mannan bua,
loosing jamanat  of Dr. badrudduza  are proof on behalf of my
thinking.
>  
>  If there is any one more credible than Khaleda, then why don't
name him or her?  is he your vasur?
>  
>
> Who do you think should succeed Kahleda?!
>  
> Tareq ,tareq and tareq
>
> Do you think Tariq should be reinstated as GS of BNP?!
>  Post is not major factor, tareq must be actively involved in BNP
politics and as soon as he is physically fit
>
> Are you not going to answer on BNP family politics unless the
> question includes AL family politics?!
>  I don't think family politics is a problem. As long as people are
not happy with the activities of any party, they will not vote for
that party .
>
> Are you saying general people DO like corrupt politcians?!
>  
>  People may not like corrupt but they don't count it or bother it.
If did, then how come mother  and father of corruption Hasina and
Ershad get elected?
> Do Hanan and Delwar represent the best leadersship in BNP?
>  During crisis of BNP , they served BNP much better.  They are
much better than so called oportunists( some stupid call them
reformist). I salute them for their service for BNP  even remebering
all of their limitations and drawbacks.
>
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> When are you going to start talking about BNP?
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> When?
>  
> Soon .
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