I'm really glad that some of the writers still have the time and patience to respond to the writings (garbage?) from the so called Human Rights Activist whose writing spreads continuous hatred against groups of people who does not subscribe to his "beliefs" (whether that is religion, politics, lies and cooked-up theories, anything).
My hats off to the folks who are still trying to bring some sense to the non-sensible writings in the forum.
- mashuque
From: Cyrus <thoughtocrat@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:46:34 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Price Drop and Awami League
Mr. Islam, I had lived in India for over 4 years in the early 90s. I had traveled the entire country, and most Indian Muslims don't feel that they are second class citizens. Zakir Hossain became the president in 1967, Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed was elected to be president in 1977, and Dr. Abdul Kalam was the last Muslim president. That's the sign of a healthy democracy. We are yet to elect a qualified Hindu or Christian or Buddhist to the highest office.
As far as azan is concerned, I've visited Calcutta several times and I've heard loud azans all over Bihar, Orissa, West Bengal, Mumbai, Jaipur, Delhi, Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, and lots of other places. I even heard azan in the backwaters of Keral, for god's sake! Where do you get this kinda meaningless rubbish that azan is prohibited in India and that Muslims are forbidden from practicing their faith? More people pray at the Delhi Jame-Mosjid than the Baitul Mokarram mosque everyday, and that mosque is in the heart of New Delhi.
As far as Calcutta is concerned, a city with about 500 mosques, people go to the mosque all the time. I prayed at the Nakhoda Mosque, one of the most famous mosques in the Indian subcontinent. I don't remember anyone preventing me from doing it. Your MLA friends are giving you wrong information, and they are as sectarian and anti-Human Rights as you are, I am afraid.
A very good friend of mine is from Meerat, Uttar Pradesh. He is a practicing Hindyu and his ancestral house shared a common wall with a mosque. For the last 3 generations, these Hindu family has been providing electricity and water to the mosque, and the mosque was the only Muslim establishment in a densely populated Hindu community. When the madness of Babri mosque swept all across India, young Hindu men from the neighborhood guarded the mosque with swords all night and kept the Imam and his family safe from rioters from other cities. Even today, hundreds of Hindus go to the mosque after the Friday prayer to take blessing from the imam.
You really need to stop reading propaganda leaflet from Jamaat. It's counterproductive and unbecoming of an educated person, such as yourself.
By the way, Non-Resident Indians (NRI) is not an institution, that your friends could have established. It's a government classification for taxation and remittance purposes. Read the Indian tax code.
From: mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:14:35 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Price Drop and Awami League
Ok. So u r saying the Indian passports are not on sale in black markets there? Do u hear the azan there? What abt calcutta boys at Calcutta University?
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: rkhundkar@earthlink .net
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:23:05 -0500
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Price Drop and Awami League
Mr. islam - I dont know if its the same West bengal you have visited. My maternal home is Burdwan and I still have many relatives there and I have visited many times in my life and most recently last January. I dont think they are choked with communism and are quite free to practice their faith openly. This may not be true of Communal RSS infested Gujarat but in West Bengal such extremism is rare.
I congratulate you for the diversity of your friends circle. I urge you to listen and understand them rather than force your pre-concieved notions based on your sectarian political leanings.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: mufassil islam
Sent: Jan 11, 2009 7:01 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Price Drop and Awami League
Mr. Robin,
I have visited India several times. Go to India (West Bengal) and do ur own investigation and u will find the truth. It is very very common. India has recently allowed dual citizenship. I told u I have MLA friends who are founders of NRIs (Non Resident Indians) - it is the largest international organisations for migrant Indians.It proves u need to read my letters again as well.
Mufassil
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: rkhundkar@earthlink .net
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:41:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Price Drop and Awami League
Who are these Hindu elite? <----Please let us know, How do you know? Provide sources and information that can be independentaly corroborated and audited.
India does not allow dual citizenship for any country.
Where are you getting your information on muslims from West Bengal, i.e choked with communism <----it seems you are fantascist with third rate information
-----Original Message-----
From: habib rashid
Sent: Jan 9, 2009 11:25 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Price Drop and Awami League
--- On Thu, 1/8/09, mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail. com> wrote:
From: mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail. com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Price Drop and Awami League
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 7:07 AM
Dear Readers,
The fact is, during Awami League rule, our love affair with India grows stronger. I bet 100% that most of the Hindu elites of the country has had strong ties with West Bengal as they have family ties there and some even have based their businesses there. I am aware of many who even hold dual Indian and Bangladeshi passports and it is true as well that BNP-Jamaat alliances have not done anything to ensure security of the minority during their rule which resulted in oppressions on them by religious fanatics inmbubed with political motives. But this is nothing compared to atrocities on Muslims in India. West Bengal has systematically choked Islam there in the name of Communism. The temples still allows loud kirtons when Azan is banned. Even though Aazan with loud speakers has nothing to do with Islam. Awami League is a wing of Indian Congress and ppl who have eiwther no experience of their rule or ppl who have been following Awami League owi! ng to their devotion to Mujib often fail to realise that. I am not against good relationship with India but I cannot sing the song of romance when I see India does not compromise with its unfair trade-balance with us. The cross border security is relaxed and smuggled Indian items flood the country at a cheaper rate ruining the local producers. If anyone does a research on the regular items it becomes obvious that mainly Indian items have flooded the country pushing the supply UP and prices DOWN and we will easily see that the country gets flooded with black money which will definitely give rise to criminal activities in the society. We buy our rice at the cost of our personal security. There is no other explanation of dropping the price so fast. Imagine!
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: kareem871@hotmail. com
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:15:31 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh stunned by Awami victory
What a shallow analysis of BNP's election debacle.Keep it up and BNP will cease to exist - Inshallah.NB: As an aside, as one who claims to be a human rights advocate your reference to Munni Saha was irreverent and absolutely unnecessary.Likewise, if you expect to be taken seriously, you must stick to your analysis professionally without making crude remarks like Jalil being a drunkard.
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: mufassili@hotmail. com
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:05:21 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh stunned by Awami victory
Dear Readers,
The equation is very simple. The factors that played into Awami League's victory:
1. Awami League and BNP are originally almost at par with their number of supporters. Awami league's regular supporters did vote for Awami League as usual and they had no reason to love BNP - so Awami League grabbed the regular devoted votes;
2. The Swing Voters wanted to teach BNP a lesson for their corruption and had no other alternative than Mohajot as voting for BNP would have justified Tarek's corrupt practice - so they voted for alternative - ie., Awami League - having no other alternative;
3. The BNP supporters or activists were divided as to pro-change and anti-change groups, the defelctors like Bodrudouza and Oli gave reasons to the exploiters and anti-BNP lobbies reason to ponder upon BNP's coordination and disciplined approach;
4. BNP stalwarts or the pivotal leaders were kept ! behind the bars until the last few days on very simple cases which were easily bailable when Awami League had almost all their pivotal figures out of jail all the time (well even drunkard Jalil was out of jail);
5. Awami League had always supported the caretaker Govt and had promised to legalise their unconstitutional (although I think constitution itself has become a laugh) works if voted to power;
6. Hasina had a few anti-Jamaati Islamic groups in her pocket which got the votes of anti-Jamaati pro-Islamic ppl on their side and Hasian promised not to enact any anti-Islamic laws;
7. Ershad commands a few BNP votes as well owing to his military past;
8. New generation of voters did not have the experience of seeing Awami League's rule as adults rather they saw the corrupt rule of Tarek which made them anti-BNP and they read Awami League made ppl drink 'Vaater Fan' in drains from adults like us and they were too young to und! erstand that Awami League always failed to control crime;
9. Awami League is better in price control when BNP is not good at that and owing to present price hike - ppl could not afford to take chances with any more price hike as that would have meant playing with starvation;
10. women voters were successfully convinced that BNP meant oppression on women;
11. The media which is ruled by Foortibaaj and Aamodi pro-Bollywood dedicated Amitabh loving reporters like Munni Shaha (who always talks for Hindu greats) ruled non-political channel news rooms like that of ATN and the so called cultural ppl are dying to have a amorous relationship with Indian medias to extend their workfield where Pakistan is a total failure;
12. Bangladesh is surrounded by Maoists and communists and Islam has been pocketed by idiots like JMBs and without true Islamic wise leaders - communism in the camouflage of secularism has taken root in newspapers;
13. Awami League banked on the issue of bringing the Jamaa! t leaders to war-tribunals when BNP owing to failure of its leaders (only Salauddin Qader recently accused Awami League of letting thousands of Pakistani soldiers leave the country without war compensations) could not successfully defend the issue with a counter challenge;
14. Hasina lobbied abroad (with kaaney betha issue) to win international support for Awami League when BNP concentrated on domestic support only.
Hence, I and many like me are not shocked or surprised at all at Awami League's win and I am sure the readers do recall I DID forecast this scenario even in this ALOCHONA online many months ago.
I NOW forecast that Awami League will become a good ruler as they may not act like BNP idiots but they will soon find out that Bangladeshi ppl are pro-Islamic when they will start enacting anti-Islamic India loving enactments and this will give rise to a wise and revolutionary Islamic power in Bangladesh with BNP at the helm.
&n! bsp;
Sincerely,
Mufassil Islam
Human Righ ts Advocate
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: mkra12@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:20:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh stunned by Awami victory
The extraordinary support for AWL is definitely a mandate for change in the affairs of the country.
That change is not some quantitative change here & there but fundamental change in the system of governance in the country. After all, they have the two third majority.
Can Sheikh Hasina & Awami League deliver that change?Can she liberate the country's folk from the yokes of colonial bureaucratic system of governance?
After everything settles down and the elected government begins functioning. The country will go back to the age old colonial system of governance,despite the overwhelming participation of the nation in the election.
From the Secreteriate to the Mahakuma offices, it's the non elected, non answerable bureaucrats who will be the supreme rulers of the day to day affairs of the country. The Minister is not the executive head of the Ministry but the Secretery. Ministers orders cannot be issued as Government orders unless ! approved by the Secretary. The scenario at the districts, Upozilla's, Cities & Mahakuma's are more bleak. There is zero representation of the public in the governance of those levels.
The notorious system that was devised by the colonial rulers to keep us under subjugation by our own people continues to this day, despite two independences.
Hope her Government will hand over the total administration of the Upozillas to the elected chairman & council members.She will face a lot of resistance from the bureaucracy by way of government rules & regulations but she has the backing of the vast majority as well as the two third majority to do and undo anything in the greater interest of the nation. All administrative powers which are excercised by the bureaucrats at those levels should be vested in the elected chairman & council of representatives. This will empower the Upozilla people to be their own r! ulers.They will truly be independent.
Until & unless we establish Democracy,self rule at the grassroot levels Democracy will not have its foundation.Opinions of the majority of citizens, their hopes & aspirations, likings ,dislikings will not be expressed in the affairs of the country, nor their support be of any strength to the elected government.The handful of elected ministers at the center will be cut off from the people by way of the clandestine bureaucracy. Its imperative that we have elected local government.at the varios administrative levels;bureaucrats at these levels should be answerable to the elected local body.
The vast majority of Bangladeshi' s has shown the keen judgement of right & wrong by routing out the parties of anti liberation past & fundamentalist in nature.They also opted for the less corrupt of the two parties.Is it too much to ask that these good majority will be allowed to be their own rulers?Mizad
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