Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Corruption of Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh

Alochok Nur Islam.....I was being facetious in my post to respond to Mr. Ramjan! But let's get into the details of your post.

 

1. You are right, Islam and Jamaat are not synonymous, and it is an insult to Islam to equate the two. However, I think most followers of Islam have a pretty good idea about what is "Islamic" or not. Killing innocent people, regardless of your religious denomination, is Unislamic, and there is no "eye of the beholder" loophole in that. There are certain values that all religions share, including Islam, and I assure you, those things are regarded universal. Abuse of women and children, stealing, adultery, premeditated murder - there is a short list of those "thou shalt not" still exists in Quran.

 

2. I am not in the business of deciding what is holy or not, but ff you advocate for the same and equal rights for Jamaat, then I am afraid, you are grossly unaware of the illegal constitutional amendments that threw away the secular principles of our founding constitution and began the religious-based politics in our country. To state that Jamaat should have same rights to practice their perverted ideology for the establishment of a Wahabi sultanate is like telling a rape victim that since the rape has already occurred, she might as well get used to it and mother the bastard child that was born. Jamaat's whole existence is based on the abolition of a democratic republic of Bangladesh and the establishment of a wahabi sultanate, and I for one have problems with any political party that propagates such ideologies.

 

3. That brings me to my other point. Of course, not all jamaatis are rajakars. But the universal belief that they hold and preach is, again, the abolition of a democratic state. I find it rather ironic that those who are so opposed to a people's democracy actually have a voice in that democracy.

 

4. It's very noble of you to advocate for pluralism, which in reality, is a mere theory. The dominant political thought of the day always inevitably suppress the others. But while we are on the subject, you forget a crucial aspect of a pluralistic society, which unfortunately, we are not. It's mutual respect and tolerance. To state that those who oppose anti-Bangladesh forces (e.g. Jamaat et.al.) must be tolerant and accepting (i.e. pluralistic), and assume that the anti-Bangladeshi forces are also tolerant and accepting is a mindset that is naive at best and asinine at worst.. Pluralism is a two way street. You don't stand with your hands folded, pretending to be a good neighbor, when your neighbor burns your house down!

 

5. No one wants to crush any idea out of existence. I cannot speak for the rest of the country, but I sure don't want the ideologies of Jamaat to become our governing principles of the state! Do you?

 

Cyrus

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From: littlenir <littlenir@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:34:58 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Corruption of Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh

In my view, Jamaat and Islam are not synonymous nor what the supports or members of Jamaat-e-Islami as political party do whether Islamic or Unislamic it is in the eyes of the beholder.

As any politcal party of any democratic countries, Jamaatis have the same and equal right to do politics whehter their practices considered by the political foes are unholy or not.

It is rather fasicistic propaganda of enemies of peace to equate Islam and jamaat-e-islam are synonymous or Jamaatis or supporters of Jamaat are rajarkar; The very word is a deadly insult, destroying all possibility of free discussion in an instant. Therefore, you're evil. Therefore, you've no rights. Therefore, you have no right to speak out or express yourself in favour of anything.

The word taliban in pashtu means student and it should be treated as such. Whatever the people of Afghanistan do whether they are students or not is their problem.

I want to remind loud and clear of those imbecil propagandists that pluralism means tolerance, freedom and respect for differneces of opinion. Above all, pluralism means the recognition that no idea may be permitted to crush other ideas out of existence.

Where are the intellectual giants Secularist, leftist of today? Instead of thinkers, we are surrounded by hordes of mental pygmies without a single new idea - man who scrounge a living by engaging in grotesque and hysterical attacks upon an abstract political party and their ideals.

Nur Islam
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ ...> wrote:
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> I am glad that you, with your "pure" mind, still walk amongst us, honoring this earth with your very existence, and vocalizing the "truth" that is practiced and preached by the holiest of congregations, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh. After all, Islam and Jamaat are synonymous, and whatever Jamaat does must be Islamic. Who else can uphold the ultimate truth of "Islam", generously handed down to us by the holy family of the Saud, and supported by our brothers and sisters in the land where infidels are trying to eliminate our comrades, the Taliban?
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