You guys do realize that at the beginning of the mutiny, it was Army's suggestion, and not the Govt, to stage a barricade and seize, instead of a full assault, right? It was the army top brass who advised PM's office against it because of the potential collateral damages - BDR is located only a block away from one of the densely populated neighborhoods in Dhaka, and the wives and children of the BDR/Army officers were still inside. If Army had deployed its full force, there would have been a bigger human tragedy. So, I guess that the top Army officials are also RAW agents eh?
C
From: muhammed kareem <kareem871@hotmail.com>
To: alochona magazine <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:34:02 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Was our military short-staffed during the BDR Mutiny and if so why?
Dear Mr. Munshi,
I find your line of reasoning to be very amusing. Are you suggesting that by having a dozen senior officers outside the country, the army was incapacitated to an extent that they did not have a clue about how to respond. The fact is the top Army brass, including Gen. Moeen were in the country and could have crushed the mutineers within hours. It was absolute lack of leadership and crisis management skills that led to the human disaster that followed.
Sincerely,
Reza
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: MBIMunshi@gmail. com
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:03:17 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Was our military short-staffed during the BDR Mutiny and if so why?
The subject of this thread is did India deliberately divert a section of our commanding officers and troops away from Dhaka on the pretext of a training exercise to prevent a prompt response by the military to the BDR mutiny?
The reason that the ISI is rarely brought up as a serious contender of conspiracies is because they are utterly incompetent. The simply do not have the ability to carry out such an intricate plan as this. There is also the motivation issue where Pakistan has none in undermining our military but India certainly does.
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ ...> wrote:
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> Dear Mahbub:
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> It is sad that like rest of your group, you accuse anyone who picks rationality and actual facts as Indian stooges. Unlike Munshi et.al. I don't take my talking points from either India or Pakistan, or BNP or BAL. If I were so inclined to support India or RAW, then I wouldn't be talking against them all the time, would I? Refer to my previous posts, and you will see how I detest both RAW and ISI agents who use my country, our country, as a proxy war field. My problem is that the Munshi cabal keep drumming up fears about RAW, while conveniently covering up numerous covert operations by ISI. Perhaps you should grow a pro-Bangladeshi bent and lecture the Munshi cabal to start giving credible facts. Perhaps then, you can come back with your self-righteousness and ask me or anyone not to be "blind".
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> I am, and have always been pro-Bangladesh. Are you?
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> Cyrus
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> From: M M R <mole_engineer@ ...>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:25:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Was our military short-staffed during the BDR Mutiny and if so why?
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> TO Cyrus,
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> Your voice is same what India says (Pakistan is doing proxy war from Bangladesh). I just want to say, dont be blind. ISI is trying to prove that Independence of Bangladesh from Pakistan was wrong. But RAW is really doing very bad for Bangladesh. Raw is trying to show Bangladesh a Terrorist country, failed country, and also trying to block all of developments.
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> You saw that ISI giving arms and money to ULFA and others, why haven't looked on that RAW is providing moral, financial, stratigical, political, and millitary support to Bongosena, Shantibahini, and so other terrorist groups who are active inside and outside Bangladesh.
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> Finally. ISI and RAW both are trying to emolish our honor and pride.
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> Be a Pro-Bangladeshi, not Pro-Indian and Pro-Pakistani.
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> Mahmud
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> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Was our military short-staffed during the BDR Mutiny and if so why?
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:00 AM
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> Do you have any access to the intelligence community in Bangladesh? or Indian or Pakistani intelligence community with credible intelligence reports? Do you have any credible evidence to suggest that RAW staged the BDR massacre and that RAW undermines Islam and Bangladesh? Or did you just pull that out of your pseudo-intellectual Paki defense forum? Fortunately, I do have access to the Bangladeshi intelligence community, and I know how ridiculous your doctrine and your comments are.. Unfortunately, I cannot disclose my sources and can only write here after filtering information.
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> There is a difference between conspiracy theory and factual analysis. I doubt that you understand the difference. RAW may be involved in insurgency, but so is ISI who fights a proxy war against India, supplying weapons and rations to Indian insurgents from ULFA and Nagaland militants. I guess you missed out on that intelligence report or an "intelligent analysis", huh? It's fun to fight against a big bad wolf that is India, like the Americans did against the USSR. This kind of nonsense has rallied up young Muslim men in your fatherland, Pakistan, and in Bangladesh as if their faith and freedom are in great jeopardy. More have died to fight the big bad wolf, and the "intellectuals" like yourself have sat there and propagated their "doctrines". Personally, I find no difference between you guys and the reactionary BJP "intellectuals" like Bal Thackery, Advani, et. al.
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> Neoconservative thinking, protectionist views, and conspiracy theories have no place in this century of information. Bengali or Bangladeshi Nationalism is a failed idea, and looks like your version of Islamic Nationalism is on the rise. Hopefully, people will see through the garbage and judge for themselves.
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> Good luck fighting the big bad wolf.
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> Cyrus
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> From: M.B.I. Munshi <MBIMunshi@gmail. com>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:12:26 AM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Was our military short-staffed during the BDR Mutiny and if so why?
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> That is absolutely incorrect. For the last six years I have been drawing attention to the fact that these so called Islamist terrorists were able to obtain entry into India and procure military grade weapons and explosives for use here. There is every likelihood that these groups are creations of RAW to undermine Islam and Bangladesh. This is not at all absurd since we know that RAW will sink to any depths to achieve their objectives. The BDR mutiny and the recent Lahore attacks were all RAW operations. The army report indicated that Torab Ali (a DD at BDR) had been making mobile calls outside the country. This was almost certainly to India. Please read my book The India Doctrine (1947-2007) which relies on books, research and strategy papers, intelligence reports and articles to substantiate the claims on Indian subversive tactics.. The book is available at The Bookworm for anyone who is interested.
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@ ...> wrote:
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> > Mr.. Wohid,
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> > What I wanted to say is what MBI Munshi writes now, later turns out to
> > be untrue. May Allah give you enough intelligence to understand that.
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