Alochok Jafreen:
I am somewhat amused by your comments and your naivete. It's one thing to show outrage against people who play politics with religion and faith. It's another thing to completely misconstrued your opposition's comments, and inadvertently support it. For lack of a better phrase, you could call it "foot in mouth" syndrome. With your pseudo-outrage, you inadvertently supported my comments about those who turn everything about an assault on their faith!
I am in agreement with you that under a secular government, everyone is free to practice what they believe. Contrary to what you might think, I actually haven't lectured anyone about what they may or may not believe in. Instead, the point that I was trying to make is that, it's one thing to practice your own faith, it's another thing to hide behind it to push your political agenda. A simple example would be those who are opposed to removing the 5th amendment from the BD constitution and keep saying that it is an assault on their religion or faith. A constitutional amendment has no effect on Islam, nor our faith, does it?
Same with the issue in hand re. Tipaimukh Dam (read Nistobdhota's email re. Ms. Majid's alleged assault on Islam) If someone tells me that Bangladeshis and many Indians are both against the Tipaimukh Dam, and then everyone jumps up and down in false outrage because I mentioned the word "Indian" and how their faith and religion is under attack (?!@#), how would you describe this brain-freeze? Ms. Majid's article supported the fact that the proposed Dam is detrimental to BD, and even Indians. Regardless of our political views and disagreements, Enayet, me (and even Ms. Majid) are in agreement that the Dam does no good to our country. Where I disagree with him and other alochoks is that you don't have to oppose someone for the sake of it, or because he/she is from the other end of the political spectrum.
Your comment about secularism and Islam, and their "abstract" definitions show that you understand neither. Secularism doesn't mean "world;y or spiritual". It's not a hippie lingo, nor is it some "abstract" concept. I suggest that you kindly use some spare time to look them up and read about the philosophy and principles of both secularism and Islam.
Yes, I am confrontational and even in some instances, combative. The truth is, I am okay with that. Timid disagreements gets you no where, and the morons armed with propaganda and misinformation always win. But am I looking for a fist-fight? Only when someone else is looking for a fight with me.
I didn't say that Enayet spoke for Islam, nor was my comment directed towards him. But you didn't get that, did you? Brain freeze?
Your last comment goes to show that you are also from the stupid cabal that labels everyone an "Indian boot-licker". If I find Pakistanis who support our concerns, and believe you me, I have plenty of Pakistani friends who support BD and respectful towards Bangladeshis, would that make me a "Pakistani boot licker" too? I couldn't care two cents about India or Pakistan, but when I find people in both countries who are respectful to BD and Bangladeshis and support our causes, I listen without distinction. I don't have predisposition about either India or Pakistan or any other nation for that matter. As long as they support our position, I am happy to listen.
Cyrus
From: Jafreen Zahid <zjafreen@yahoo.com>
To: farida_majid@hotmail.com; thoughtocrat@yahoo.com; enayet_2000@yahoo.com; nistabdhota@yahoo.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:26:55 PM
Subject: Re: Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated Int
Cyrus wrote:>>>These cowards hide behind their faith, and decray secular beliefs, the very foundation upon which our country was founded and built.<<<
Having founded and built our country by a secular principle, does not give automatic impetus to this "coward" to lecture others into thinking that he himself hold the sole authority to decide who should be hide behind whose faith, does it? No not at all.
Everyone has their freedom to practice their religion under a secular government but only a bigot and fascistic mentality can attack people's faith with an dispicable apithet. I think, this coward must behave himself and drink some cool-aid..
Cyrus wrote>>>Secularism is not at war with Islam.<<<
Does the word Secularism which means "worldly rather than spiritual" can be at war with Islam where Islam means "how to make peace"? How? What specific secular principles are inconsistence with Islam?
In my view, an abstract undifined word secularism can't be at war with another undefined abstract word. By being vague and ambiguious, he seems to create a false impression for to lecture others who does not share his philosophy.
Cyrus wrote>>>Secularism is at war with neocons and puritanism. <<<
Again Secularism as an undifined word cant be at war with neo-cons nor can it be at war with puritanism either. It is just a false bluff to create a false impression to have a context out of his sole illusive madness that disguise in him and it is an outburst of his hatred towards whom he does share his values.
Cyrus wrote>>>Do yourselves a favor - come out and say that you hate everyone who is not like you or don't think like you do. <<<
He is asking a favor with a command as if a thug looking for troubles to have a fist fights. His approaches are always confrontational like a street thug and he thinks his deliberate rhetorical accommodation to reigning prejudice which he doesn't want to share, but thinks it best not to expose.
I think moderators should step in when someone's thugish behavior being way too much confrontational and inconsistence with what he talks about but not walk the talks.
Cyrus wrote>>You don't represent Islam or peace, <<<
Again this coward's thugish mentality knows no bound. Who can or can't represent Islam or peace should not be depended on anyone's whims or dictations? No not from a thug like him who believes all life were born from a butterfly which has root in veda's teachings not Quranic. So such vedantic thugs should refrain from confrontational approaches for a healthy enviornment. I have nothing againist such veda's wisdom and also revere it but I don't subscribe to such teaching.
Cyrus wrote>>>nor do you (or anyone) deserve to speak for it, <<<
What a moron to say such things! First of all he(Enayet) didn't speak for or against Islam or peace. Even if he did, who is this madman to decide for him who can or deserve to speak for Islam?
Is this forum Alochona belongs to bangladeshi people's interests or India's? Why do these two Cyrus and Farida seem to have sided with indian causes?
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@...> wrote:
>
> Recently, after reading another alochok's comments, I called him a "waste of clean air" and quite unexpectedly, the moderators censored that. So, I will refrain from any such expressions, as much as I am tempted to.
>
> But did any of you guys actually read the article on the dam? Or did you just get your knickers in a twist seeing two "Hindu" names who authored it? The whole article actually shows the technical problems, as well as potential disaster scenarios AGAINST the dam, and not for it!! How did Islam and the faith of our people get into this rather technical and engineering discussion? Or is it that anything Farida Majid says or writes you find them offensive to your very shaky faith? Read the article!
>
> "Enayet Limbaugh" keeps calling everyone a "boot licker of India", although he is nothing but a hired mercenary for the Jamaat. He keeps throwing the same poop on the wall like an ape does in the zoo, hoping that something will stick on the wall. Unfortunately, it doesn't and his ignorance shows through his desperate comments! Same lines, same propaganda, same fear mongering, and same stupidity. He, like those who commented after his meaningless rhetoric, doesn't understand that like us, many Indians are opposed to this dam as well.
>
> These cowards hide behind their faith, and decray secular beliefs, the very foundation upon which our country was founded and built. Secularism is not at war with Islam. Secularism is at war with neocons and puritanism. Do yourselves a favor - come out and say that you hate everyone who is not like you or don't think like you do. You don't represent Islam or peace, nor do you (or anyone) deserve to speak for it, or for the rest of the country or the nation.
>
> C
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> Â
>
> ________________________________
> From: amir ali <gulshanali@...>
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:00:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
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> Because, she is the lobyist working for that country.
> Mohammed.
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> From: nistabdhota@ yahoo.com. au
> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 08:43:06 -0700
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
>
>
>
>
>
> When Farida Majid constantly assaults on Islam and Islam loving people of Bangladesh in defense of her secular Bangladesh, it’s easily understood that she is an ultra-secularist and as such she exercises her political right and freedom of expression. However, it’s really difficult to understand why she has to apply a dying attack on any patriotic attempt, issue, opinion and movement that is simply aimed at safeguarding the safety, security, independence, sovereignty, existence and overall interests of Bangladesh? Her attack becomes even dreadfully fierce and morbid when India is alleged of infringing Bangladesh’s rights and interests. Why she must react and castigate any allegation against a country that is not hers.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@ yahoo.com>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Cc: emancipation 4 <4_emancipation@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Friday, 22 May, 2009 11:30:31 PM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
>
>
> Farida Majid is another cult BAL-lover, boot-licker of India. Awami League is the only political party in Bangladesh which stitch only one issue - Seikh Mujib. Farida Majib is another concubine of BAL with perverted patriotism, more leaning towards serving India than Bangladesh.
>
> Looks like Hasina is in a hurry to give India all the privileges she could, before she misses her joy-ride. Remember Awami League to came power in 1996 since inception of Bangladesh. People of Bagladesh despise Hasina and her politics for last 25 years! This is the biggest victory for Awami League for last 37 years. It will be a grave mistake if Hasina & Farida plays only politics of revenge! It will be a grave mistake if we all keep quiet to the hegemony of India! Silence is not the answer!
>
> We need to defend our country's interest first. We can not be silent - if we need to chant slogan in the street of Bagladesh for 48 times for every dam India building against Bangladesh, we should scream loudest! Farida Majid, you can rest in peace next to Taslima Nasrin in Kolkatta, we care less!
>
> Our foreign policy should be carefully crafted, Hasina is toying with India, turning Bangladesh as a poodle of India.
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
> To: "Alochona Alochona" <alochona@yahoogroup s.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:04 PM
>
>
>   Here is a message I received from the Land of the Dreaded Dadas. Not one or two.
> India is planning 48 major dams! How many grand rallies will Jamaat stage?
> Â
> Â Â Â Â Progresive Indians are just as worried.
> Â
> Â Â Â Â The Dreaded Dadas are likely to travel by train to Toronto and convert all the B'deshi Muslims in Canada by the process of 'suddhi'.
> Â
> ============ ==
> Â
>
> This is a joint struggle and all of us have to get involved. Unfortunately the rest of India is really not aware of it and of the 48 major dams that are scheduled to be built in this decade. Bye
> Â
> Walter
> Â
> Dr Walter Fernandes
> Director
> North Eastern Social Research Centre
> 110 Kharghuli Road (1st floor)
> Guwahati 781004
> Assam, India
>
>
> Recently, after reading another alochok's comments, I called him a "waste of clean air" and quite unexpectedly, the moderators censored that. So, I will refrain from any such expressions, as much as I am tempted to.
>
> But did any of you guys actually read the article on the dam? Or did you just get your knickers in a twist seeing two "Hindu" names who authored it? The whole article actually shows the technical problems, as well as potential disaster scenarios AGAINST the dam, and not for it!! How did Islam and the faith of our people get into this rather technical and engineering discussion? Or is it that anything Farida Majid says or writes you find them offensive to your very shaky faith? Read the article!
>
> "Enayet Limbaugh" keeps calling everyone a "boot licker of India", although he is nothing but a hired mercenary for the Jamaat. He keeps throwing the same poop on the wall like an ape does in the zoo, hoping that something will stick on the wall. Unfortunately, it doesn't and his ignorance shows through his desperate comments! Same lines, same propaganda, same fear mongering, and same stupidity. He, like those who commented after his meaningless rhetoric, doesn't understand that like us, many Indians are opposed to this dam as well.
>
> These cowards hide behind their faith, and decray secular beliefs, the very foundation upon which our country was founded and built. Secularism is not at war with Islam. Secularism is at war with neocons and puritanism. Do yourselves a favor - come out and say that you hate everyone who is not like you or don't think like you do. You don't represent Islam or peace, nor do you (or anyone) deserve to speak for it, or for the rest of the country or the nation.
>
> C
>
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> From: amir ali <gulshanali@...>
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:00:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
>
>
>
>
>
> Because, she is the lobyist working for that country.
> Mohammed.
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> From: nistabdhota@ yahoo.com. au
> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 08:43:06 -0700
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
>
>
>
>
>
> When Farida Majid constantly assaults on Islam and Islam loving people of Bangladesh in defense of her secular Bangladesh, it’s easily understood that she is an ultra-secularist and as such she exercises her political right and freedom of expression. However, it’s really difficult to understand why she has to apply a dying attack on any patriotic attempt, issue, opinion and movement that is simply aimed at safeguarding the safety, security, independence, sovereignty, existence and overall interests of Bangladesh? Her attack becomes even dreadfully fierce and morbid when India is alleged of infringing Bangladesh’s rights and interests. Why she must react and castigate any allegation against a country that is not hers.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@ yahoo.com>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Cc: emancipation 4 <4_emancipation@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Friday, 22 May, 2009 11:30:31 PM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
>
>
> Farida Majid is another cult BAL-lover, boot-licker of India. Awami League is the only political party in Bangladesh which stitch only one issue - Seikh Mujib. Farida Majib is another concubine of BAL with perverted patriotism, more leaning towards serving India than Bangladesh.
>
> Looks like Hasina is in a hurry to give India all the privileges she could, before she misses her joy-ride. Remember Awami League to came power in 1996 since inception of Bangladesh. People of Bagladesh despise Hasina and her politics for last 25 years! This is the biggest victory for Awami League for last 37 years. It will be a grave mistake if Hasina & Farida plays only politics of revenge! It will be a grave mistake if we all keep quiet to the hegemony of India! Silence is not the answer!
>
> We need to defend our country's interest first. We can not be silent - if we need to chant slogan in the street of Bagladesh for 48 times for every dam India building against Bangladesh, we should scream loudest! Farida Majid, you can rest in peace next to Taslima Nasrin in Kolkatta, we care less!
>
> Our foreign policy should be carefully crafted, Hasina is toying with India, turning Bangladesh as a poodle of India.
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam/Cachar Plain Irrigation Project: A Complicated International Disaster Scenario for Bangladesh
> To: "Alochona Alochona" <alochona@yahoogroup s.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:04 PM
>
>
>   Here is a message I received from the Land of the Dreaded Dadas. Not one or two.
> India is planning 48 major dams! How many grand rallies will Jamaat stage?
> Â
> Â Â Â Â Progresive Indians are just as worried.
> Â
> Â Â Â Â The Dreaded Dadas are likely to travel by train to Toronto and convert all the B'deshi Muslims in Canada by the process of 'suddhi'.
> Â
> ============ ==
> Â
>
> This is a joint struggle and all of us have to get involved. Unfortunately the rest of India is really not aware of it and of the 48 major dams that are scheduled to be built in this decade. Bye
> Â
> Walter
> Â
> Dr Walter Fernandes
> Director
> North Eastern Social Research Centre
> 110 Kharghuli Road (1st floor)
> Guwahati 781004
> Assam, India
>
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