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Tuesday, January 5, 2010

[mukto-mona] Re: Some oppressive verses in Hindu religion (for Mr. sman)




--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "Abul Kasem" <abul88@...> wrote:
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> Dear All
>
> If you thought that only islam mistreats the women, perish that thought.
> Here is how Hinduissm treats women. I did not publish this for a long time
> not to offend mnay Hindu readers. But the time has come to expose the
> misogynist nature of all religions. Please feel free to commwnts. Hindu
> fundamenttalists, please prove that what is written in this bomshell article
> is wrong.
>
> Abul Kasem
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> women in vedas
> Comments
> Women in Vedas Soma Sablok The indian Constitution guarantees equall rights
> to both the sexes and does not discriminate on the basis of sacte, colour
> and creed
> However, despite the constitutional provisions, do womens enjoy equality
> with men ?
> The answer is 'No'. Their condition still remains miserable. Newspaper carry
> report of rape and burning of women for not bringing sufficient dowry or
> their inability to satisfy the demands of greedy in laws.
> Basically, out present attitude towards women streams from our religious
> scriptures which efer to women as contempt.
> Our oldest book are the 'Vedas' which contain highly objectionable and
> condemnable passages concerning women.
> Taking cue from the 'Vedas' authors of subsequent religious scriptures
> referred to women in more contemptuous form.
> 'Sati pratha' (custom of burning the widow with the body of her husband),
> 'Dasi Pratha' (keeping the slave girls), 'Niyog Pratha' (ancient aryan
> custom of childless widow or women having sexual intercoutrse with a man
> other than husband to beget child), were among cruel customa responsible for
> the plight of the women.
> Naturally, seeking shelter under such religious sanctions, unscrupulous
> women disgraced women to the maximuim possible extent and made them means of
> satisfying their lust.
> No one wanted a daughter
> As a result; female infant came to be considered unwanted. No one wanted a
> daughter. Everyone was interested in having a son. The birth of the son was
> celebrated, but the birth of the daughter plunged family into gloom.
> This attitude still persists, even though certain other customs have
> undergone changes.
> 'Rig Veda' itself says that a women should beget sons. The newly married
> wife is blessed so that she could have 10 sons.
> So much so, that for begetting a son, 'Vedas' prescribe a special ritual
> called 'Punsawan sanskar' (a ceremony performed during third month of
> pregnancy). During the ceremony it is prayed:
> "Almighty God, you have created this womb. Women may be born somewhere else
> but sons should be born from this womb" - Atharva Ved 6/11/3
> "O Husband protect the son to be born. Do not make him a women" - Atharva
> Ved 2/3/23
> In 'Shatpath Puran (shatpath Brahman)' a sonless women has been termed as
> unfortunate.
> 'Rig Veda' censures women by saying:
> "Lord Indra himself has said that women has very little intelligence. She
> cannot be thaught" - Rig Ved 8/33/17
> At another place it is written:
> "There cannot be any friendship with a women. Her heart is more cruel than
> heyna" - Rig Ved 10/95/15.
> 'Yajur Ved (Taitriya Sanhita)'m- "Womns code says that the women are
> withouth energy. They should not get a share in property. Even to the wicked
> they speak in feeble manner" - Yajur Ved 6/5/8/2
> Shatpath Puran, preachings of the 'Yajur Veda' clubs women, 'shudras'
> (untouchables), doga, crows together and says falsehood, sin and gloom
> remain integrated in them. (14/1/1/31)
> In 'Aiterey Puran', preaching of the 'Rig Veda' in harsih chandra -Narad
> dialogue, Narad says:
> "The daughter causes pain"
> Despicable
> To insult and humiliate women further, the religious books speak of women
> having sexual intercourse with animals or expressing desire for intercourse
> with them. What further insult can be heaped on women.
> In 'Yajur Veda' such references are found at a number of places where the
> principal wife of the host is depicted as having intercourse with a horse.
> For example consider the following hymn:
> "All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While
> praying, they say: 'O horse, you are, protecter of the community on the
> basis of good qualities, you are, protecter or treasure of happiness. O
> horse, you become my husband.'" - Yajur Veda 23/19.
> "After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near
> the horse and says: 'O Horse, i extract the semen worth conception and you
> release the semen worth conception'" - Yajur Veda 23/20.
> The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the
> Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc.
> After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts
> it in her vagina and says: "This horse may release semen in me." -Yajur Veda
> 23/20.
> Then the host, while praying to the horse says:
> "O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife.
> Expand your penis and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this
> penis makes women happy and lively" - 23/21.
> In the vedic age, the customs of polygamy was prevalent. Each wife spent
> most of the time devising ways and means to become favourite to her husband.
> Clear references are available in 'Rig Veda', (14/45),' and Atharva Veda
> (3/81)'
> Custom of Polygamy
> The Aryans in those days used to attack the original inhabitants of this
> place, or other tribe within their own race; loot them and snatch away their
> women. Thus, militant and wicked men had more wives. This custom of polygamy
> helped a great deal in bringing down the women.
> In 'Rig Ved' (10/59) it is written that Lord Indra had many queens that wre
> either defeated or killed by his principal wife.
> In 'Aitrey Puran', preachings of 'Rig Veda', (33/1), there is a reference to
> the effect that Harish Chandra had one hundred Wives.
> 'Yajur Veda' in the context of 'Ashva Medha' (Horse Sacraficing ceremony),
> says that many wives of Harish Chandra participated in the 'Yagyna'
> (religious sacrafice).
> In 'Shatpath Puran(Shatpath Brahmin)', preachings (13/4/1/9), of the Veda,
> it is written that four wives do service in 'Ashva Megha'. In another Puran
> (Tatiraity Brahamin, 3/8/4), it is written that wives are like property.
> Not only one man had many wives (married and slave girls), but there were
> cases of many men having a joint wife. It is confirmed from the following
> hymn in 'Atharva Veda':
> "O men, sow a seed in this fertile women" - Atharva Veda 14/1
> Both these customs clearly show that a women was treated like a moving
> property. The only difference between the two customs was that whereas
> according to former one man had a number of movable properties, in the
> latter, women a joint movable property.
> 'Vedas' also sanction 'Sati Pratha'
> Widow was burnt at the funeral Pyre of her husband.
> The widow was burnt at the funeral pyre of her husband so that she may
> remain his slave, birth after birth and may never be released from the bonds
> of slavery.
> The Atharva Veda says:
> "O dead man following the religion and wishing to go to the husbands world,
> this women comes to you. In the other world also may you give her children
> and wealth in the same manner.
> In the 'Vedas', widow is treated inhumanly. For example it is mentioned that
> on death of her husband, the wife was handed over to some other man, or to
> her husband younger brother.
> Swami Vivekananda opines that even at that time women used to have sexual
> intercourse with a person other than her husband to beget a child.
> The hymn says:
> "O woman, get up and adopt the worldly life again. It is futile to lie with
> this dead man. Get up and become the wife of the man who is holding your
> hand and who loves you. - Rig Ved 10/18/8
> Aparently this shows that woman is considered to be a property. Whenever and
> whosoever desired, could become her master.
> If the women was not remarried, then her head was shaved. This is evident
> from Atharva Veda (14/2/60).
> This custom was obviously meant to disgrace her. For what connection does
> shaving of widows head has with the death of her husband ?
> The condition of widows was miserable. She was considered to be a harbinger
> of inauspiciousness and was not allowed to participate in ceremonies like
> marriage. This custom is still prevalent in some places. She has to spend
> her life alone
> In Rig Veda therre are references to slave girls being given in charity as
> gifts. After killing the menfolk of other tribes, particularly of the native
> inhabitants, their women were rounded up and used as slave girls. It was
> custom to present slave girls to one other as gifts.
> The kings used to present chariots full of slave girls to their kith and kin
> and preists (Rig Veda 6/27/8). King Trasdasyu had given 50 slave girls. It
> was cutom to present slave girls to Saubhri Kandav (Rig Veda 8/38, 5/47/6).
> Intercourse withouth marriage
> A slave girl was called 'Vadhu' (wife), with whom sexual intercourse could
> be performed witouth any kind of marriage ceremony.
> These girls belonged to the men who snatched them from the enemies, or who
> had received them in dowry, or as gifts. Only the men to whom they belonged
> could have sexual intercourse with them.
> But some slave girls were kept as joint property of the tribe or the
> village. Any man could have sexual rlations with them. These girls became
> the prostitutes.
> The 'Vedas' also talk about 'Niyog', the custom of childless, widow or woman
> having sexual intercourse with a person other than her husband to beget a
> child.
> In simple words 'Niyog' means sending a married woman or a widow to a
> particular man for sexual intercourse so that she gets a son. Indication of
> this custom is available in 'Rig Veda'
> In 'Aadiparva' of 'Mahabharata' (chap. 95 and 103), it is mentioned that
> Satywati had appointed her son to bestow sons to the queens of Vichitrvirya,
> the younger brother of Bhishma, as a result of which Dhratrashtra and Pandu
> were born.
> Pandu himself has asked his wife, Kunti, to have sexual intercourse with a
> brahmin to get a son (Aadi Parva, chapters 120 to 123).
> Chastity of woman was not safe
> In the name of 'beejdan' (seed donation), they used to have sexual
> intercourse with issueless women. This was a cruel religious custom and the
> chastity of the women was not safe. The so called caretakers of the religion
> were allowed to have sexual intercourse with other man's wife.
> From 'Niyog pratha' it csn be inferred withouth fear of contradiction that
> women were looked upon as mere child producing machines.
> In 'The Position of women in Hindu Civilization' Dr. B. R. Ambedkar writes:
> "Though women is not married to man, she was considered to be a property of
> the entire family. But she was not getting share out of the property of her
> husband, only son could be successor to the property."
> Gajdhar Prasad Baudh says: " No woman of the Vedic age can be treated as
> pure. Vedic man could not keep even the relations brother-sister and
> father-daughter sacred from the oven of rape and debauchery/adultery named
> 'Niyog'. Under the influence of intoxication of wine, they used to recognise
> neither their sister nor their daughter and also did not keep the relations
> with them in mind. It is evident from their debauchery and adultery what a
> miserable plight of women was society in then. (Refer 'Arya Niti Ka
> Bhadaphor'. 5th Edition page 14).
> In the 'Vedas' there are instances where daughter was impregnated by her
> father and the sister by her brother.
> The following example of sexual interourse is found between father and
> daughter in the 'Rig Veda':
> "When father had sexual intercourse with his daughter, then with the help of
> earth he released his semen and at that time the Righteeous Devas (deities)
> formed this 'Vartrashak (Rudra) Devta' (Pledge keeper diety named Rudra)" -
> Atharva Veda (20/96/15).
> Women: Low grade creatures
> From the aforesaid account, it is clear that in the Vedas women have been
> considered to be low grade creatures.
> It is high time we expose scriptures, preaching such inhuman teachings so
> that they lose their credibility. Only then can there be a hope on women's
> liberation, and of equality between sexes which is guaranteed by Indian
> Constitution
>
> Last changed: January 02, 2001
>
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> >From: "Avijit Roy" avijitroy@...
> >Reply-To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Some oppressive verses in Hindu religion (for Mr.
> >sman)
> >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:18:58
> >
> >Inequity and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion.
> >
> >Manu Smriti says:
> >" Never trust a woman.
> >Never sit alone with a woman even if it may be your mother, daughter,
> >sister
> >she may tempt you.
> >
> >Again the same Manu Smriti continues:
> >"Na stree swadantriya marhathi".
> >"No liberty for women in society".
> >
> >
> >Fatemolla bhai also quoted some of the oppressive verses in his article
> >(sorry my love) :
> >
> >"The best woman is worse than the worst man" -Toittorio Shonghita -
> >6/5//8/2. "Women are omen" - Moitrayani Shonghita -3/8/3. "A daughter is a
> >curse" - Oittorio Brahman 6/3/7. "Confine women otherwise she will loose
> >her
> >strength" (What a strength!) - Shatapath Brahman 14/1/1/31. And that
> >eternal
> >license also, -"One husband is enough for them although the husband may
> >have
> >many wives"- Oittorio Brahman 3/5/3/47. And then came THE thing: - "One
> >should weaken women by biting with stick so that she does not have any
> >right
> >on any property or her own body." - Shatapath Brahman - 4/4/2/13. And then,
> >"The husband would try to buy her with presents if she declines his lust.
> >If
> >it does not work then he would bit her by hand or stick". - Shatapath
> >Brahman - 6/4/7
> >
> >( Look at the Qura'an - Sura Nisa Ayat 34, and also to some Hadises in Sahi
> >Bokhari).... Got any similarity Mr. Usman ?
> >
> >
> >HINDU WOMAN (From the view point of Traditional Hindu law):
> >
> >1. The Hindu woman has no right to divorce her husband.
> >
> >2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
> >
> >3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own
> >caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending
> >bridegroom/family.
> >
> >4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the
> >bridegroom/family.
> >
> >5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead
> >husband). Since today's law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in
> >other "holy" ways (see below).
> >
> >6. She cannot remarry.
> >
> >7. The widow is considered to be a curse and.must not be seen in public.
> >She
> >cannot wear jewellery or colourful clothes. (She should not even take part
> >in her children's marriage!)
> >
> >8. Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
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> >
> >Shatidah (Sothi Daho) was another example of one of the brutal culture of
> >Hindu religion which is totally supported by Hindu religious scriptures
> >(those scriptures are considered as the revelation of god). SHOTI DAHA
> >refers to widow burning, though SOTI literally means virgin.
> >
> >Please check my Article :
> >http://humanists.net/avijit/article/shotihaho.htm
> >
> >
> >Do I need to express more, WHY I AM NOT A HINDU, Mr. Usman ?

Mr .Usman,  i was  a hindu woman,who was raped in riots in hyderabad(india).Three Muslim men gangraped me again and again.I was left in a muslim neighbourhood  as i was orphan only with small brother.under terror and for protection i became muslim.  Later one  Md.yusuf married me and divorced me.So i went for abortion.N ow i am working in a muslim house as servant.My brother is servant in  owner's shop.  Against mel my rapist's and my husband sodomised rape in me.wound there blood used to come .My brother is sodomised and raped by husband yusuf.Vedas and puranas are stories no real  history.MY LIFE REAL AND BROTHER LIFE REAL.ISLAM  WOMEN RAPED EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD.EVERY RELIGION   SOLD WOMEN ,RAPED WOMEN AS SLAVES.MAN any religion is a sexual beast who rape women,boys etc.religion does not protect helpless orphans and innocent people .In riots men,women,children killed.women raped.                               
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