Thanks bro.
You and many of the logical, sensible, wise blogger have given the logical, rational, fact based and nice reply. But these buggers (KHUNI Jamat, RAZAKAR, Al Badar, MEER JAFOR Mostaq-ZIA gong) do not read, study, research and do not spend time. Just jump on computers and write what ever they feel!
We always see that those GIAN PAPEE & ignorant anti Bangabandhu group-people-media who were continuously & blindly & deliberately & purposely or mistakenly or incorrectly criticise late Bangabandhu and blame him for nothing.
Those illiterate culprits (KHUNI Jamat, RAZAKAR, Al Badar, MEER JAFOR Mostaq-ZIA gong) do not know the political incidents & history of associated, concern era and before that too!
Their boss, Paki Military Janta also tried their level best to 'prove' Bangabandhu was corrupt & got that land & house as "gift" or "bribe" (now what Fakar-Moin gong is trying to blame his daughter, Sheikh Hasina in the name of CHADABAZI) and Ayub got some DALAL too, like at the present. But Bangabandhu was released from the jail as a hero.
Overt & covert supporters of Jamat-RAZAKAR-PAKI-Muslim League (BNP is cocktail of these groups) are mostly illiterate (and few (can be numbered in hand) are "GIAN PAPEE"), so they have neither political knowledge nor knowledge of political history-events.
They know only telling lies, twisting the facts and creating doubt-confusion on settled matters by mixing some true and more false items by applying Goebbels theory!
So either keeps away from all these liars, cheaters and mad dogs or beat them with a strong MUGUR and raises the logical voices against all the lies and fake comments of these GIAN PAPPES & overt & covert Jamat - RAZAKARs - Muslim League - BNP - Paki supporters, blogger.
"Sustha thakon, nirapade thakon ebong valo thakon"
Shuvechhante,
Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU)
NEW ZEALAND.
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On 10/12/07, Raihan Ahmed <fighter_1971@yahoo.com > wrote:
Mr RamjanSee my comments in red after your writings to Far westYou wrote to Far West:"You have accused Jamath e Islami for immoral acts in 1971 on whole sale basis are drastically mistake. In political field, no political party and its leader can be compared with Jamat e Islami leader and its workers for their moral height even till today. I would request the entire forum members to do a research on Jamath e Islami. Jamat e Islami is a literary jamat. Its all syllabus books are available in the open market while Awami league is a great Miskin and Fakir Party and intellectually dump, till date, no books are written on Awami ism or Muzib Bad."My CommentAre you saying Al Badars did not commit crime (killing, rape, etc) in 1971? Piece committee did not collaborate with Pak Army? If yes, look who were the leaders of those groups? I am not sure why you are bringing Awami League here, I believe the issue was about war criminals. Please stick to the point.You wrote to Far West:"In the world, Jamath e Islami is the only Islamic movement who giving complete dawat of Islam. Jamath e Islami working on religious field, social reform field and political field, by all these sense Jamat e Islami is a complete Islami Andolon and bearer the flag of Islamic movement."My CommentWow, you can verify the whole world. May I ask for the basis of your claim? You even do not know, how much harm you have done to Islam, by saying Jamat is the only one who gives complete dawat of Islam.You wrote to Far West:"Jamat e Islami is well recognized in the Arab world. All of its main stream syllabus books are translated in to Arabic and some of Jamath syllabus book are included in the school curriculum in one of the biggest Muslim country."My CommentArab world is not the wholesale agent of Islam. So please do not their reference. Kingdoms, camel races, haremkhana, calling muslim workers from Bangladesh as Miskins, not condemning the atrocities of Pakistan in 1971 all these things are totally against Islam. What do you mean by Syllabus book, anyway?You wrote to Far West:In 1971, after independence, Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman declared a general pardon which was included but not the criminals. All criminals were tried and punished but unfortunately not a single Jamat leader or its member was included in that punishment list. That was a moral victory of Jamat e Islami in 1971 against massive anti jamath propaganda.My CommentA total misinformation. The investigation and trial just started. Citizenship of Golam Azam and many other war criminals were taken away due to their role in 1971.War criminal, in this context, I would like to clear to the Jamat opponent, no party can be charged with war criminal allegation except military personnel or its authority in command. Therefore in jamat e Islami no war criminals are exists since jamath did not formed the government in 1971.My CommentI did not understand your English.A true Muslim, who has knowledge of Islam can not be a secular. Islam came to victory the world, where human value will establish, the difference between classes will abolish, where equal economic opportunities will establish any many more…..These all qualities are not available with other ism such as Communism, Socialism or Capitalism.Therefore, I urge all the human kind to come under the shed of Islam and make the earth a haven where all the Muslim and other religious will leave in peace and with dignity.My CommentYour religion is your choice. But if you really believe in Islam, condemn the atrocities done by Pak army and their collaborators. Demand their punishment. Islam does not allow killing of innocent people. It is a shame majority of the muslim countries did not support Bangladesh. The only Muslim Country that really supported Bangladesh was secular Iraq.FIghter 71
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:04:12 -0700
From: far982004@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [banglarnari] A short list of Bangalee Collaborators and War Criminals of 1971 : Published by Mu
To: mramjan@hotmail.com
Mr. Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan,War criminals have no place in the socio-political system of any civilized country. Any person/organization trying to rehabilitate them is doing the same crime. According to Maudoodi in Tafheemul-Quran (P 340, vol. I): "Even today women captured in war should be distributed among soldiers and the soldiers be allowed to use them." The Qur'an in verse 47/4 states that: "the captives of war must be freed either for ransom or as a way of kindness. There is no other option." No wonder why the Jamaati butchers murdered and raped so many in 1971 liberation war. Jamat's leaderhsip's criminal and inhuman acted against Liberation of Bangladesh. We need a total political commitment, desire and willingness from our political platform, which fails miserably so far, to try these killers and rapists of Bangladesh in their next available opportunity! Otherwise we continue to lose and they to win!War criminal Jamatis in Bangladesh must be punished. "Justice delayed – Justice denied" – Bangladesh has been crying for justice but how long it will take to get that done? Even today, the war criminals, and violators of humanity during the Second World War are being traced and punished. I hope that there should be a proper investigation into all those killings during the war of liberation, all those atrocities and the offenders should be tried. Those families who were the victims at that time should also come forward. The Bangladesh Government will extend all cooperation in this regard.Bangladesh was created with broad principles of human values where religions have no place in the governance of the country. Most people want to see religion as a personal affair. However, to Jamaat it is the opposite. Jamat and it's adherents know very well that Bangladeshis did totally reject their point of views at the time of Independence . Jamaat has done terrible disservice to Islam and the Muslim world. This Jamaat has been destructive since the 1940's. It has destroyed the fabric of Muslim Society in Pakistan and continues to be destructive where ever it goes. They should be exposed and brought to justice for their crimes against humanity. Their extremism, intolerance and many activities are direct violation of Islam. Jamaatis are like no-Muslims as they don't believe in the conventional interpretations of the holy Qur'an & doubt Hadiths as such they say that the five pillars of Islam are nothing training efforts to capture political power. Let us learn to hate these damn frequent liars, who pretend to be religiously pure under the mask of hypocrisy and dirty opportunism. All terrorists groups in Bangladesh are created by Jamat as spilnter wings to add violent platform for capturing power. Amongst thousands of grave violations of Islamic practices that the Jamaat-e-Islami commits, first and foremost is the violation of the Quranic injunction guaranteeing freedom of religion: Surah Baqara, Verse 257 (256 in some alternative numbering systems): La ikraha fiddeen ------ There should be no compulsion in religion. The Jamaat-e-Islami is guilty of thousands of atrocities against those who do not share its murderous views ---- most glaringly in Pakistan , and now in Bangladesh , Indonesia , and some other countries. The freedom fighters liberated Bangladesh from Pakistan now the Bangladeshi patriots need to liberate Bangladesh from all the hypocrites and pro-Pakistanis. We should all pray. The sole cause for today's unrest in Islamic world is because of the wrong ideologies of Jamaat- e-Islami and some other Islamic parties. Hatredism, violence, non-tolerance have more place in their ideology against the basic principles taught by our Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (Sal). Image and the true Islamic values of our beloved Prophet (sal) has been taken away by these ideologies and they are bringing the Muslim Ummah to the era of the Makkans who persecuted our Holy Prophet ( sal). Peace, Love and harmony taught by our Holy Prophet ( sal) is missing in their ideology.Please read about Maududi here 1. http://www.allaahua kbar.net/jamaat-e-islaami/maududi/index.htm, 2.http://ghatok- dalal.tripod.com/id22.html . These will give you some idea about why Jamaat and Shibir are so brutal, and opposite of real Islam practiced and taught by the Prophet and the Sahabas.
Mohammed Ramjan < mramjan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Shafiqur Rahaman BhuiyanFrom the list below you envisage that a major portion of intellect were supporters of united Pakistan. Even the list provided is not authenticated and precisely accurate and you did not mention why 66 elected Awami MP gone against Bangladesh liberation war and shacked hand with Pakistan army.But my question why some vested parties raise this issue after 35 years of independence while all parties anti or pro accepted Bangladesh as their independent home land with out any question. Why you all making the nation divided instead of making it united what have been done by Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman.We want a united Bangladesh. A scientifically developed Bangladesh, an industrially developed Bangladesh which will bring food for the millions?I urge my beloved nation please go forward with science and technology
Mohammed Ramjan <mramjan@hotmail.com> wrote:Mr. Far WestThe Tafheem I have, volume one is up to page – 223, covering only sura Bakara. Kindly quote the name of sura and ayath number for my investigation not something just through in the air.You have accused Jamath e Islami for immoral acts in 1971 on whole sale basis are drastically mistake. In political field, no political party and its leader can be compared with Jamat e Islami leader and its workers for their moral height even till today. I would request the entire forum members to do a research on Jamath e Islami. Jamat e Islami is a literary jamat. Its all syllabus books are available in the open market while Awami league is a great Miskin and Fakir Party and intellectually dump, till date, no books are written on Awami ism or Muzib Bad.In the world, Jamath e Islami is the only Islamic movement who giving complete dawat of Islam. Jamath e Islami working on religious field, social reform field and political field, by all these sense Jamat e Islami is a complete Islami Andolon and bearer the flag of Islamic movement.Jamat e Islami is well recognized in the Arab world. All of its main stream syllabus books are translated in to Arabic and some of Jamath syllabus book are included in the school curriculum in one of the biggest Muslim country.In 1971, after independence, Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman declared a general pardon which was included but not the criminals. All criminals were tried and punished but unfortunately not a single Jamat leader or its member was included in that punishment list. That was a moral victory of Jamat e Islami in 1971 against massive anti jamath propaganda.War criminal, in this context, I would like to clear to the Jamat opponent, no party can be charged with war criminal allegation except military personnel or its authority in command. Therefore in jamat e Islami no war criminals are exists since jamath did not formed the government in 1971.A true Muslim, who has knowledge of Islam can not be a secular. Islam came to victory the world, where human value will establish, the difference between classes will abolish, where equal economic opportunities will establish any many more…..These all qualities are not available with other ism such as Communism, Socialism or Capitalism.Therefore, I urge all the human kind to come under the shed of Islam and make the earth a haven where all the Muslim and other religious will leave in peace and with dignity.Mohammed Ramjan Ali BhuiyanKuwait
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:04:12 -0700
From: far982004@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [banglarnari] A short list of Bangalee Collaborators and War Criminals of 1971 : Published by Mu
To: mramjan@hotmail.com
Mr. Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan,War criminals have no place in the socio-political system of any civilized country. Any person/organization trying to rehabilitate them is doing the same crime. According to Maudoodi in Tafheemul-Quran (P 340, vol. I): "Even today women captured in war should be distributed among soldiers and the soldiers be allowed to use them." The Qur'an in verse 47/4 states that: "the captives of war must be freed either for ransom or as a way of kindness. There is no other option." No wonder why the Jamaati butchers murdered and raped so many in 1971 liberation war. Jamat's leaderhsip's criminal and inhuman acted against Liberation of Bangladesh. We need a total political commitment, desire and willingness from our political platform, which fails miserably so far, to try these killers and rapists of Bangladesh in their next available opportunity! Otherwise we continue to lose and they to win!War criminal Jamatis in Bangladesh must be punished. "Justice delayed – Justice denied" – Bangladesh has been crying for justice but how long it will take to get that done? Even today, the war criminals, and violators of humanity during the Second World War are being traced and punished. I hope that there should be a proper investigation into all those killings during the war of liberation, all those atrocities and the offenders should be tried. Those families who were the victims at that time should also come forward. The Bangladesh Government will extend all cooperation in this regard.Bangladesh was created with broad principles of human values where religions have no place in the governance of the country. Most people want to see religion as a personal affair. However, to Jamaat it is the opposite. Jamat and it's adherents know very well that Bangladeshis did totally reject their point of views at the time of Independence . Jamaat has done terrible disservice to Islam and the Muslim world. This Jamaat has been destructive since the 1940's. It has destroyed the fabric of Muslim Society in Pakistan and continues to be destructive where ever it goes. They should be exposed and brought to justice for their crimes against humanity. Their extremism, intolerance and many activities are direct violation of Islam. Jamaatis are like no-Muslims as they don't believe in the conventional interpretations of the holy Qur'an & doubt Hadiths as such they say that the five pillars of Islam are nothing training efforts to capture political power. Let us learn to hate these damn frequent liars, who pretend to be religiously pure under the mask of hypocrisy and dirty opportunism. All terrorists groups in Bangladesh are created by Jamat as spilnter wings to add violent platform for capturing power. Amongst thousands of grave violations of Islamic practices that the Jamaat-e-Islami commits, first and foremost is the violation of the Quranic injunction guaranteeing freedom of religion: Surah Baqara, Verse 257 (256 in some alternative numbering systems): La ikraha fiddeen ------ There should be no compulsion in religion. The Jamaat-e-Islami is guilty of thousands of atrocities against those who do not share its murderous views ---- most glaringly in Pakistan , and now in Bangladesh , Indonesia , and some other countries. The freedom fighters liberated Bangladesh from Pakistan now the Bangladeshi patriots need to liberate Bangladesh from all the hypocrites and pro-Pakistanis. We should all pray. The sole cause for today's unrest in Islamic world is because of the wrong ideologies of Jamaat- e-Islami and some other Islamic parties. Hatredism, violence, non-tolerance have more place in their ideology against the basic principles taught by our Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (Sal). Image and the true Islamic values of our beloved Prophet (sal) has been taken away by these ideologies and they are bringing the Muslim Ummah to the era of the Makkans who persecuted our Holy Prophet ( sal). Peace, Love and harmony taught by our Holy Prophet ( sal) is missing in their ideology.Please read about Maududi here 1. http://www.allaahua kbar.net/jamaat-e-islaami/maududi/index.htm, 2.http://ghatok- dalal.tripod.com/id22.html . These will give you some idea about why Jamaat and Shibir are so brutal, and opposite of real Islam practiced and taught by the Prophet and the Sahabas.
Mohammed Ramjan < mramjan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Shafiqur Rahaman BhuiyanFrom the list below you envisage that a major portion of intellect were supporters of united Pakistan. Even the list provided is not authenticated and precisely accurate and you did not mention why 66 elected Awami MP gone against Bangladesh liberation war and shacked hand with Pakistan army.But my question why some vested parties raise this issue after 35 years of independence while all parties anti or pro accepted Bangladesh as their independent home land with out any question. Why you all making the nation divided instead of making it united what have been done by Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman.We want a united Bangladesh. A scientifically developed Bangladesh, an industrially developed Bangladesh which will bring food for the millions?I urge my beloved nation please go forward with science and technologyThanking you
Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
Kuwait
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