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Friday, March 28, 2008

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Response to Dr. Jaffor Ullah

I am sorry I ran out of time to respond to all the queries of Dr. Jaffor Ullah. Here is my rest of the response.
 
I said:
> Obama has prior association with a terrorist, who said, after
9/11, that he should have done more to inflict damage on America.

Jaffor Ullah replies:
Could you please cite an authentic reference on your accusation?

 
JR response:
This matter was discussed in the conservative talk radio circle (e.g., Shawn Hanity Radio Show), which liberal media ignored completely. This person was Barak's personal acquaintance and donated money for his presidential campaign, which Mr. Obama returned  after the news broke out. 
 

I said:

> He is not the savior. He is ultra-leftist. He will implement Cuban-
style socialism in America in stead of capitalism that has made this
country the most powerful nation on earth.
>

Jaffor Ullah replies:

What is so wrong if a candidate is an ultra leftist. Being a liberal
senator hardly means that Barack is an ultra-leftist politician. Dr.
Roy must be listening Rush's radio program way too much. How about
Senator Edward Kennedy? Is he also a ultra leftist politician? There
is a Bengali adage "Dui Diner Boiragi Bhaterey Koi Onno" (A neophyte
ascetic calls a bowl of plain rice manna from heaven). Dr. Roy is
more capitalist than Warren Buffet or Bill Gates. This is a pity!
The new immigrant conveniently forgot his immediate past and now
sounding more capitalist than J.P. Morgan. In my humble opinion
quite a few new immigrants are trying to sound more royal than a
king, more religious than a Brahmin. The way they write or back up
their position on class struggle in the West, it seems as if they are
not well read. They think America became an economic giant overnight
without the sacrifice of millions. The stories of JP Morgan, Getty,
Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, etc., paint a dire picture for the
huddled mass of America who became merely a hand to help build the
financial empires of Getty, Morgan, Carnegie, etc.

 

JR replies:

My transformation happened in the following order:

1. As I mentioned in my previous communication, when I was in Bangladesh, I used to volunteer my time with others to raise funds for socialist party programs (Muzzafor NAP, Moni Singh Communist Party, Chhatra Union, etc.). I then believed that socialist policies are the only way to liberate a society from the evil Capitalist imperialism.

2. After I got my citizenship in the USA, I registered myself as a Democrat, which I thought was the closest one to a Socialist Party in the USA. 

3. After the fall of communism in Russia and Eastern European countries, I started to pay attention to the Republican conservative principles.  I was shocked to see how communism crumbled, and wanted to find out some explanations for it's failure. What I found can be very simplistically explained through the following example.

We had a Black Berry Tree  on our property in Bangladesh. That was a giant tree, not like the black berry bushes in the USA. Only a few people in the village could climb up to the top of that tree. Many of us would wait under the tree for black berries to fall on the ground. Most often, black berry would shatter into pieces and those pieces would get covered with dust on the ground. We were happy to eat those black berry pieces. Sometimes, we would ask people at the top of the tree to shake it so that more black berries would fall on the ground. Most often they would help us getting more black berries. You must be wondering what that has to do with socialism or capitalism. Here is the connection.

Socialist policy sets up a tree-house somewhere on the tree so that everyone could reach at least some black berries. It bring the guy down from the top of the tree to that house, and restrict him not to move up any further. Then, it will lift people from the ground up on that house. Under this condition, everyone gets some mediocre black berries,  no one is high enough to reach the juicy delicious ones at the top of the tree.

Capitalist policy, in stead of bringing down the people from top of the tree, would teach the people on the ground how to climb up the tree and supply with equipment so that they can reach the top and enjoy delicious black berries there.

A socialist policy needs poor people in the society to survive, and it will make sure that there are enough poor in the society to support the system.

A capitalist policy, on the other hand, needs support from the rich people in the society, and they will do everything to make sure that there are enough rich people in the society to support the system.

Usually, the gradual progression is as follows. They are mostly social liberals when they are in college, and they turn to conservatism after they start making money. Of course it does not happen to everyone.

Social liberals want government entitlements.  Social conservatives, on the other hand, does not want government intervention in their lives.

I am a pragmatic individual, and I do not want to dwell on the ideology that has been a failure. Therefore, I like to call 'rice' as 'anna' if you don't mind. You are stuck in the mud, and can't get out of it. It's like showing a 'Ratha-Jatra' to a blind person. I know nothing will change.

Thanks.

Jiten Roy


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