| these discussions are arising from insufficient accurate information about tata's proposal asking assurance of energy (gas) is likely for a foreign investor but my intuition says NO to indians who considers bd as a prospective province, let me elaborate here considering we assure gas to them they wanted to invest in steel, power, fertilizer and coal sector. steel: their planned capacity was 2.3m tons/year when our maximum cumulative capacity has been 0.03m tons/year so far. we don't have supply shortage, so they could export and take away the foreign currency earned, if they were to sell here it could be easy to upset local producers by price benefit with that much capacity margin and eventually take over some leading local plants (50%acquisitionon plan), thus our market could be dependent on them power: 1000mw would be the largest single facility in bd. we need power, would they sell to us? at which price? at other ipp's price? when we are loosing at those ipp's. if they were to export power to india we could turn into even BIGGER LOSER, follow this link to know about their power plans, they are producing in bhutan and supplying in india, they need more power for eastern region!!! fertilizer: 1m tons/year would be the single largest urea production facility in bd and close to 1.5 times than present largest kafco (0.68m tons/year). as far as 'urea fertlizer' supply and demand situation in concerned in bd, typical shortage is 0.5m tons/year. again, would they sell to us? at which price? at kafco's price? when we are loosing there. if they were to export all of it, again we could be LOSER coal: we are yet to learn about coal resource management so nothing to consider from tata. other questions are, 1. what about government or private participation provision at this investment? 2. what about public participation? 3. what about key man power hiring from bd 4. what about transport capacity within our infrastructure (port, roads, rails) it just came into my mind, why tata wanted to invest that big in bd when we do not have enough reserve of gas, political stability and suitable infrastructure? if it is only gas they need, tata can still invest in myanmar where india has gas sector investment. after few years if bd cannot supply gas they will ask for gas from myanmar and once gas from myanmar is here, it won't take long to reach india 'through' bd. what else way we can put it?
--- On Wed, 8/6/08, M. <masud.cool@gmail.com> wrote:
From: M. <masud.cool@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: tata's withdrawal - i am not sure.................
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 1:40 AM
I dont know the complete demand of Tata which may be illogical. But the demand of gas is not illogical. Think from your side. If you are an investor in industries you must need power. Tata did not want electrical power which is very unstable in bangladesh. They wanted gas. If you want to make a deal you must specify for how much year you are going to give gas. Fo r tata it was 20 years. IF YOU WANT TO RUN A HEAVY INDUSTRY YOU CAN NEVER RUN WITHOUT HEAVY ELECTRICITY OR GAS. FYI, tata is not only interested in bangladesh. They are willing to expand their capacity. So they are setting up more steel plants all over the asia. See from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tata_Steel"Tata Steel has set an ambitious target to achieve a capacity of 100 million tonne by 2015. Managing Director B Muthuraman stated that of the 100 million tonne, Tata Steel is planning a 50-50 balance between greenfield facilities and acquisitions - Tata Steel has lined up a series of greenfield projects in India and outside which includes [8]
- 6 million tonne plant in Orissa (India)
- 12 million tonne in Jharkhand (India)
- 5 million tonne in Chhattisgarh (India)
- 3-million tonne plant in Iran
- 2.4-million tonne plant in Bangladesh
- 5 million tonne capacity expansion at Jamshedpur (India)
- 4.5 million tonne plant in Vietnam (feasibility studies underway)"
It is our failure if we cannot join this adventure just for our bad bureaucracy. If we have real trouble in gas then it is okey. 2008/8/5 mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd @yahoo.com> | If Tata could be logical and did not make mama'r barir abdar of gurantee of gas for 20 years, that would be good for Bangladesh.
If any conglomerate think of investment in Bangladesh, they must investigate the fact of tata's withdrawal. they will find the illogical demand of tata.
If any other conglomerate don't invest in bangladesh with such silly excuse, then we really don't need such investor.
আল্লাহ যাকে যখন ইচ্ছা ক্ষমতা দান করেন,মাইনাস টু ফরমুলায় তাই হাসেন
--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Adhiraj Bose <swarnayogi@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
From: Adhiraj Bose <swarnayogi@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: tata's withdrawal - i am not sure........ .........
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:01 PM
Mr.Iqbal I dont understand your fears regarding indian conglomerates in
this regard. The Tata's billion dollar investment was supposed to be
the country's largest foreign investment till date. Economists in
Bangladesh have clearly lamented the withdrawal of this investmemt plan
saying it will be a clear deterent to any further investment in the
country. th withdrawal of this particular investment will not mean the
end of the world for fdi in bangladesh but the obvious reaction would
obviously be in the negative to such a withdrawal by a large
conglomerate. Here is what the Daily Star had to say in this regard.
http://www.thedaily star.net/ story.php? nid=48382 --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Md. Shamim Iqbal" <shmm777@... > wrote: > > i am not sure why am i happy to know about this withdrawal. may be its because of the fear i have in mind about indians. since our Independence they did little for us (if i have missed any) and continuously putting us behind. $ 3 bn is a big fdi for us but as far as we came to know, it was a one sided proposal. another 'east india company' may be. we should not respond to such proposal(s) from now on. > > people of bd learned lesson from 'kafco' experience, so we are getting aware of our rights, now we need to propagate this awareness to other sectors to prosper ourselves. > |
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