--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "A.H. Jaffor Ullah" wrote:
>
> Mr. Ahmed: Not so fast! It is the action of India against Kashmiri
> people (exclude Jammu people) over the last 60 years that resulted
> in the creation of terrorist outfits such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and
> Jaishe-Muhammad.
>
Not so fast, Jaffor Ullah. Here's a break-down of the place of origin
of the 10 Mumbai terrorists:
Three of them hail from Okara district in Punjab province, three from
Multan, two from Faislabad, one from Sialkot and one from Dera Ismail
Khan. It seems to me like the typical Punjabi operation we used to
witness in 1971. And all in the name of saving Islam!!
How is it that there isn't a single Kashmiri among the 10 if it is
really all about Kashmir being denied the privilege of becoming a
province of Islamic Pakistan?
Lashkar-e-Taiba talks about Kashmir only in the passing. If you read
its agenda, you'll see its primary interest is in a Caliphate for
Central Asia and for enforcing capital punishment to blasphemers!!
Furthermore, we need to be very careful because disappointments about
the dispensations during partition are not confined to Kashmir. What
about Chittagong Hill Tracts? Should terrorists from Myanmar/India be
terrorizing Dhaka to avenge the "injustice" of 1947?
Jaffor Ullah, in case you are unaware of the bitter reaction to the
Radcliffe Award of 1947 on Chittagong Hill Tracts, here's an URL for
a quick brush-up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chittagong_Hill_Tracts
The award of the Chittagong Hill Tracts to Pakistan was so unexpected
that even Justice Mohammad Munir, a Muslim member of the Boundary
Commission said: "I was certain from the start that the Chittagong
Hill Tracts would be awarded to India." Obviously, it was against all
principles of justice, equity and fair play.
In fact, India's Deputy Prime Minister Patel had gone ballistic over
the award:
The Radcliffe Commission submitted its Report on the 9th of August
1947. At the Staff Meeting on August 12, there was a virtual
explosion and V.P. Menon, who was a confidant of Sardar Vallabhbhai
Patel, reacted most violently when it came to be known that the
Chittagong Hill Tracts was going to be given to Pakistan. The
following day, on August 13th, the All India Congress Committee
issued a declaration alleging that the award "lacked all sense of
justice, equity and propriety" and, therefore, it was "ineffective,
infurctuous and incapable of execution in international
consciousness". Sardar Patel wrote an angry letter to Mountbatten
expressing his indignation, calling the Radcliffe award "monstrous
and a blatant breach of the terms of reference". He warned that "I am
urging the tribesmen to resist amalgamation with Pakistan by force,
if necessary". He was indeed a great patriot and a staunch
nationalist.
Well, Jaffor Ullah, aren't you glad that Myanmar/India are not
inciting terrorists to wreak havoc on Dhaka?
Pakistan has absolutely no interest in championing the cause of a
small Muslim community of a few million in Kashmir. In fact,
Pakistan's army had murdered more Muslims in East pakistan than the
entire Muslim population of Jammu & Kashmir in 1971!!
Pakistan's problem is very very basic & fundamental. Pakistan's
army/ISI couldn't care less about Kashmiri Muslims. Their terrorist
action stems from their irredentist dreams that sees themselves as
inheritors of the mantle of Muslim Emperors of yore. They are stoked
by mullahs dreaming of the Pakistan flag flying atop the Red Fort in
Delhi. It is best not to absolve such racist/imperialist dreams by
invoking Kashmir as an excuse. Pakistan's military was bent on
fighting in East Pakistan to the last Bengali. And today they are
bent on fighting to the last Kashmiri. Let's not bless their unholy
goal.
The first task before ordinary Pakistanis is to liberate themselves
and establish rule of law in their own country. Gory adventures
abroad are a distraction promoted by its military/ISI.
>
> In pre-partition Jammu-Kashmir what was the Muslim to non-
> Muslim ratio? Do you know that? Don't get me wrong my entire
family
> was against the division of India. My family came to East Bengal
> from Meghalaya in 1947. My father knew the pain of leaving the
house
> he built in Shillong. Mr. Nehru badly wanted to be the PM of new
> India. Gandhiji was right, after all. He begged and begged to
Nehru-
> Patel duo not to divide Mother India. But it happened. Kashmir
> should have gone to Pakistan on the basis of pre-partition census;
> however, the Hindu King decided to side with India. Whatever
> happened to the mandate of 1948 U.N. resolution?
>
> Mr. Ahmed, first brush up your knowledge of history, only then,
come
> to debate with others in Mukto-mona. I am not a Pan-Islamist, but
I
> am for the oppressed people. In my eyes Kashmiris have suffered
> enough. A conservative estimate is that about 90,000 to 100,000
> lives were lost in the since 1948 in Kashmir. Can you justify this
> loss of lives? It seems like you are a very caring person because
> you do care about the loss of 185 or so people in the hands of 10
> vile terrorists. How about the loss of 90-100,000 lives in the
hand
> of state-supported terrorists, huh?
>
> Jaffor Ullah
>
> --- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "zillur.ahmed" wrote:
> >
> > sk's message (#50868) makes it quite clear why Jaffor Ullah's
> > analysis of the cause for the Mumbai carnage does not hold water.
> >
> > Just look at the 8-point agenda of Lashkar-e-Taiba (army of the
> pure)
> > as recounted by Pakistan's ambassador himself. It has absolutely
> > nothing to do with Kashmiri Muslims and everything to do with the
> > type of hate-philosophy that we had witnessed in our very own
> Bangla
> > Bhai. These fanatics are so fired up by their self-righteousness
> that
> > they have come to believe that their wish to impose their will
> > on "them" is actually Allah's will to reward "us" with control
> > over "them".
> >
> > What the Pakistan-based Terror Inc. is indulging in is nothing
> short
> > of crime against humanity. It is a direct outgrowth of the
> philosophy
> > of General Yahya Khan's army that allowed it to carry out
genocide
> in
> > East Pakistan to rid the world of people who were deemed inferior
> > Muslims at best in its hate-filled eyes.
> >
> > Yes, the criminals of the Mumbai massacre did invoke anger on
> behalf
> > of India's Muslim underclass. But let us not be fooled by the
> > subterfuge. They would have just as easily murdered Bangladeshi
> > Muslims of Bangladesh to extend colonial control of the "army of
> the
> > pure" over "infidels" of Bangladesh.
> >
> > There is no alternative to opposing such hate-filled Fascist
> outfits.
> > It is time for introspection by our Jaffor Ullahs - how would we
> feel
> > if after a terrorist outrage in Dhaka, writers in New Delhi take
to
> > attributing it to injustices in Vhittagong Hill Tracts? Hope it
> never
> > come to that.
> >
> > --- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "sk_cd59" < wrote:
> > >
> > > WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/50868
> > >
> > > 1) to eliminate evil and facilitate conversion to and practice
of
> > Islam;
> > >
> > > 2) to ensure the ascendancy of Islam;
> > >
> > > 3) to force non-Muslims to pay jizya (poll tax, paid by non-
> Muslims
> > > for protection from a Muslim ruler);
> > >
> > > 4) to assist the weak and powerless;
> > >
> > > 5) to avenge the blood of Muslims killed by unbelievers;
> > >
> > > 6) to punish enemies for breaking promises and treaties;
> > >
> > > 7) to defend a Muslim state; and
> > >
> > > 8) to liberate Muslim territories under non-Muslim occupation.
> > >
> >
>
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